That ball was traveling. He's never ever made a save for the cameras, he's not even that sort of keeper.
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What? That's exactly the kind of keeper he is.
You really think that? Like Pickford, Barthez, Neuer and Ter Stegen? Makes the easy look difficult? That's rubbish and you know it.
I'm sorry how can you of watched de gea all this time and not see the times he has over stylised a save. He is one of the worst culprits. He makes some very good saves but the amount of times hes clearly gone with his wrong hand or feet etc sometimes it's actually like he's tried to make the save harder for himself to test his abilities.,
Then why reach across your body with one hand to make the save when you can easily make it with two hands???
So you're trying to tell me that on a shot to his left, his right hand is closer to the ball???
My issue is him not organising his defense. His passing from defense has been suspect for a long time too.
From where does the shot come? From his right. His right hand was always closer to the ball, from the strike to the save. It was the quicker hand to get to the ball, the proper hand to use. Look at where the save was actually made, right at the midpoint of his body, almost in front of his head. The ball ended up to the left due to the parry of the ball flight. Watch the clip, the. Try to refute me.
You’ve made some decently cogent points in this thread, this was definitely not one of them.
The ball was saved in front of his face. The right hand was the closer hand. Why contort your body to put the bottom hand on the ball which was further away from the strike & would have taken longer?
I saw nothing wrong with the save - I would expect any prem goalkeeper to make it though. His distribution however is getting worse I was shouting don't pass it to Pogba for the first goal before he even kicked it - Pogba was poor there but it was a pass which had no benefit.
Agree to disagree. I know why a keeper will use that cross hand save. But for me, when you can use two hands, you use two hands. ANd this was one where he could use two hands. For me, the cross handed one hand save is a last ditch effort to reach for a ball that you otherwise couldn't get to...
Have you watched the clip of the save? To say that his top hand is not correct is shocking. The shot came from his right, the parry was in front of him, at no time was the bottom hand closer to the ball until it went out of bounds.
And, now are you saying that he should have gotten both hands to the ball? There’s more party / deflection force afforded by a top hand on shots like this. The top hand save also allowed for the easiest physical motion.
recafe's reaction to ddg is beyond belief. insane speculation and expectations, really snide criticisms, and scrutiny for sucessful reflex saves - something he has been the best in the world at.
imagine thinking any human keeper, let alone henderson, could satisfy this thread.
e-anyway, in real life, i thnk the stop low by his side from armstrong(?) was excellent since someone was lurking right there and it was a snap shot before ddg had sorted his feet/positioning.
imagine thinking any human keeper, let alone henderson, could satisfy this thread.
e-anyway, in real life, i thnk the stop low by his side from armstrong(?) was excellent since someone was lurking right there and it was a snap shot before ddg had sorted his feet/positioning.
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Yes. Two hands. Just like keepers do all the time other than De Gea. He always reaches across with his right hand. Just last week a keeper saved Pogba's freekick by diving to his left and punching it away with both hands. It was a routine save, but one keepers love to make because it's one for the highlight reel. I'm convinced that if that were De Gea, he would have used his right hand to make it look even better...
Two hands on the ball would have taken far too long & potentially allowed the shot in. DDG has made many saves with his bottom hand, both hands, & his top hand. He makes the correct decision on that far more than he does incorrectly. You obviously haven’t watched the clip.
You cleary dont.
Yeah. It's really odd.
He made a great save and even that is being complaint/speculated to be fluke or rubbish or poor quality or basic, downplayed to that degree.
Just wow. Dean will be crucified once he's #1.
Too long? What? Do me a favour. Take your right hand and reach to your left as quick as you can. Now do the same with your left. Then do both. Tell me how long they all take
The only "because I said so" defense. Good job...
Okay, deny physics. Christ almighty. We’re not talking about a static exercise, the ball is moving. What a puerile response that was. You know, those fractions of a second do matter even though they’re really short periods of time. But, by all means, keep spouting your immense goalkeeping acumen.Too long? What? Do me a favour. Take your right hand and reach to your left as quick as you can. Now do the same with your left. Then do both. Tell me how long they all take
He was good today but his complete inability to command his box puts all our defenders under pressure whenever the opposition get a corner, that's even more difficult when you're down to 10 men.
There will be plenty of opportunity for that if we're watching Europa League football again next season thanks to our liability of a keeper.
Look, in all seriousness the point here is it's not a one off, it's every time a cross comes in. Otamendis goal here: (1:48 into this video) is the perfect example of what I'm talking about.
I could show you a hundred of these examples to be honest.
Yes, like last night, it's a good cross but that's going to happen when you play at the top level.
Venturing off your line and trying to claim or punch a cross is risky but over a season you will prevent more goals by doing that than just standing there like a statue the way De Gea does.
As a keeper, you have the advantage over the attacker of being able to use your hands when jumping for a ball so you have a much higher reach, that's the whole point in being a keeper, that's what you're there for, it's common sense.
The only way De Gea is going to prevent a goal with his technique (which, as I said, seems to be basically doing nothing) is if the ball just happens to hit him, and even then, he'll be lucky to save it from point blank range.
I'd love nothing more than Dave to prove his critics wrong with some solid and confident displays but it's not going to happen, he's done, the sooner we accept that the better.
He was a decent shot stopper who offered little else, and now even his shot stopping is average at best, this was always going to happen.
I've heard all the excuses before, there were plenty of us on here this time last year saying that giving him a new contract was a big mistake and we all got told we hadn't a clue or we had an agenda against the lad.
Sadly, us cluess ignorant idiots have been proved right and if you honestly can't see the problem by now then you're part of that problem.
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I'm all for trusting your team mates to be good on the ball, but you have to have more of an understanding of what you're up against. Southampton were pressing their hardest from around minute 5-15 and at least twice in this time de Gea played passes into Pogba and I believe Maguire. They were tame passes at best and a Southampton player was already able to get close to them before they received the ball.
Of course, Pogba should have had more awareness and maybe just passed it straight back to de Gea, then shifted past Ings for a pass with a bit more zip on it. That still doesn't remove the blame from de Gea though IMO. It just wasn't the right thing to do, the ball needed to either go out wide or just be chipped up top until they got a bit tired. You could tell shortly after the drinks break that their press was almost non-existent. That's when we could have done more of a build from the back game.
He put us under pressure and we were a bit lucky that our forwards managed to get us 2-1 up in that particular period of the game.
Of course, Pogba should have had more awareness and maybe just passed it straight back to de Gea, then shifted past Ings for a pass with a bit more zip on it. That still doesn't remove the blame from de Gea though IMO. It just wasn't the right thing to do, the ball needed to either go out wide or just be chipped up top until they got a bit tired. You could tell shortly after the drinks break that their press was almost non-existent. That's when we could have done more of a build from the back game.
He put us under pressure and we were a bit lucky that our forwards managed to get us 2-1 up in that particular period of the game.
I actually think he was amongst the best players last night. Couldn't have done much for either of their goals (2nd goal i really don't understand the criticism, with the amount of bodies there he was never going to get to that ball) but he make some great saves.
What im worried is his drop off just when he's entering his goalkeeping prime.
What im worried is his drop off just when he's entering his goalkeeping prime.
He had plenty of room to come punch the cross. He takes 3 steps forward and jumps and we win 2-1
There's no way he's getting to that cross, just look at where Saint's player who flicked the ball is.He had plenty of room to come punch the cross. He takes 3 steps forward and jumps and we win 2-1
Disagree. It's 3 steps with nobody blocking his path. He's a passenger on that goal...
Can't fault him much for yesterdays goals. Although still a worry we are conceding from corners again which has been an issue.
3 steps with in a hindsight, or with a foresight...
During. You have to react. You can't plan to punch it. Then you're chasing shadows. But when you see the ball coming into your box, you have to react if you can. And as this picture clearly shows, he could have but didn't...
Well in that case you're well aware it was never one of his strong points at all.
I am well aware. And it's a problem. You can't be one of the best keepers in the world if you aren't brilliant at the basics of the position...
Literally no keeper in the world will go after the ball. To do that a GK must be able to predict where exactly the ball will land the second it is kicked or take a guess.He had plenty of room to come punch the cross. He takes 3 steps forward and jumps and we win 2-1
Conceding from corners will always be an issue while hes no1. He's never been a brave commanding keeper and never will. From what I've seen from him the last 2 seasons, he's no longer good enough for a team with title ambitions so should be moved on. I for one won't miss him as half his time here has been controversial with contract disputes and transfer stories, always unsettling the team. Pogba gets slaughtered for the same shit yet De Gea appears to get a free pass.
Sure you can, he managed to be one of the best keepers in the world for all these years without that aspect of his game being his strong suit.
You react to the kick. Where De Gea is it's only 3-4 steps. Routine punch...
are you sure? Keepers come to punch when the ball is infront of them. If DDG came out for that, everyone would be like what is he coming out there for infront of bodies etc.. Fact is Matic didnt do enough, Maguire is nowhere to be seen. Lindelof was behind the player in case there was a ball to the back post.He had plenty of room to come punch the cross. He takes 3 steps forward and jumps and we win 2-1
flick on was in front of the front post, he took a step forwards as the ball came in and immediately went back when he saw who was winning the flick on, because he had to guard the near post if that's where the header went.
Defenders definitely could have done better. I'm not going to be tough on Lindeloff though. He's basically marking 3 guys. But that ball dropped on the ground 3 yards from goal. That should never happen. Keeper needs to be commanding of his area...
No its not. A GK comes out for a corner if it's in front of the goal and within the 6 yard box. 3-4 steps for a corner is a step or two too many
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