Absolutely correct. He turned into the center about two or three times in the second half when he had options wide. Don't know what was said at half, but he tried to do it all for no fecking reason. When he tried to get past two players at the edge of the touchline with a trick was horrific. Also, can anyone tell me if Navas passes were too much or was Neymar's first touches off?
The natural successor: Has Neymar blown it?
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Don’t forget Carvalho and Ashley Cole
Nail on the head with this comment, especially the end bit.
With about 10-15 minutes left Neymar started to play like it was him vs 11. That was criminal. There was, conceivably, still time for PSG to work some good opportunities. However, he kept running into cul-de-sacs, losing the ball to Bayern. At the highest level of European football that just should not happen. It speaks to a lack of maturity in the player and raises questions about his decision making. He has talent in abundance, arguably as much if not more than any other player in the world. However, he's approaching 30 and still hasn't fully figured out how and when to use it.
Spot on. If Tuchel had balls, he'd have taken him off
Lost his head a bit and tried too hard. The other team was better.
Perhaps he should have been subbed.
Perhaps he should have been subbed.
I think going to PSG has affected Neymar's development as a player. He has been given too much scope to do that because of his status in the PSG squad, as well as the fact PSG is much stronger than most French teams.
I agree with you that Tuchel should have, at the very least, read him the riot act. However, he is not the first and won't be the last PSG coach who is unable to control Neymar. That's a shame for Neymar really. If he was working with a coach who could hone his talent, rather than letting him just do what he wants, he would probably become the star his talent warrants he become.
He wasn't any worse than the 5 other attackers that started the game.
The problem for him is the two big chances of the game were wasted by Mbappe and Di Maria.
If it was 1-0 he would have been more relaxed and played his natural game
The problem for him is the two big chances of the game were wasted by Mbappe and Di Maria.
If it was 1-0 he would have been more relaxed and played his natural game
Why are people criticizing Neymar for trying too hard to win on his own ?
When Messi or C.Ronaldo try it, they are usually regarded as genius.
When Messi or C.Ronaldo try it, they are usually regarded as genius.
It was a pretty tough game to get into despite their chances in the 1st half.
Bayern really suffocated that midfield and cut out supply. Most of PSG's attacks were on quick breaks and he did play a part in that.
He definitely lost his head a bit in the final 15 minutes. Started trying to do too much on his own.
Bayern really suffocated that midfield and cut out supply. Most of PSG's attacks were on quick breaks and he did play a part in that.
He definitely lost his head a bit in the final 15 minutes. Started trying to do too much on his own.
Depends how effective they are, but the thing is Messi almost never tries it (in fact, it's often the other way around with him) and Cristiano only ever tried it when he was younger, and did get criticized when it didn't work
Maybe Neymar has a lack of trust in other people's abilities. Since he was a kid he was being branded as somewhat of a next Pelé
He needs to be reminded that footballs a team game, and gets more so the higher the level you're playing at. Trying that Roy of the Rovers crap in a CL final is almost always going to end badly.
He brought a big speaker to the dressing room before the game for a supposed celebration.
It was a really high quality game. I agree with those saying he wasn’t worse than Mbappe, Coman, Müller or Gnabry - Lewandowski and DiMaria stood out for me among the attackers of the game. He has been partly brilliant in the CL knockouts this year. If people want to compare him to the absolute greatest, he hasn’t made the choices in life to take him there. Still, he’s a brilliant player, not a bad one, and he’s not much more selfish than many other specially talented players. He obviously fights for his comrades. He’s not filming more than Lewandowski lately. I reckon he deserves credit this year, not being singled out for criticism.
Does he celebrate losing?
Nah, he just cries.
Right after the final, there's a deluge of posts simply hurling abuses at the player. The caf is generally great, but there are some threads where the quality of posting is terrible. This one reads like a YouTube comments sections.
He’s one of the greats still in my book.
It’s was criminal him doing his selfish act in the second half as other have stated but PSG never got anyone around him in the centre of the pitch to support.
Based on pure talent he’s up there with Ronaldo 9 and Ronaldinho. Nothing much between all 3 and he might be the most well rounded of the bunch attacking wise.
He made some bad life choices though so will never get the respect of the other two even if he scored 5 last night.
It’s was criminal him doing his selfish act in the second half as other have stated but PSG never got anyone around him in the centre of the pitch to support.
Based on pure talent he’s up there with Ronaldo 9 and Ronaldinho. Nothing much between all 3 and he might be the most well rounded of the bunch attacking wise.
He made some bad life choices though so will never get the respect of the other two even if he scored 5 last night.
2nd half went full Stevie G. You never go full Stevie G.
Have you ever seen those two play? If PSG had R9 on this evening we'd have lost this game.
Some form of swap with Messi is the only way I can see him leaving or Messi and that is a million to 1 shot.
He is nowhere near the talent of Ronaldo
He was shite, ruined 10-15 minutes of PSG play just after the goal with his stupid selfishness and attention seeking, loosing ball after ball. Zero bottle when he needed to be the guy taking responsibility. Typical from him really.
I think he's a victim of his own mentality and hype. His of the pitch shennenigans, crying, diving, sister's birthday and the like makes people not to admire his football which is great. He's a talented guy but he's too many times in the headlines for the wrong reasons.
And wild celebrations for going into the final, what was that about, celebrate but save the biggest celebration for winning the damn thing.
And wild celebrations for going into the final, what was that about, celebrate but save the biggest celebration for winning the damn thing.
His problem is he thinks so too. His entire career has been a struggle to reconcile being the big Brazilian star with not actually being anywhere near as good as those who have gone before him.
He is a brilliant player but he lacks a lot at that level, and yesterday showed it. He was unable to have any impact on the game and it's not like he was being marked out of the game, as Bayern still had Mbappe and Di Maria to worry about, and as he grew frustrated he started causing more problems than he solved.
Wasn't his best game last night, but tactically they got it completely wrong.
Playing Neymar as a striker looking for long balls is completely pointless. I get they wanted to try and isolate Mbappe against Kimmich for the long ball but it just didn't work. Bayerns pressing meant the ball was hardly ever on, and when it was they messed it up under pressure. They should have changed to a 4-2-3-1 and let Neymar come deeper and build play like he usually does.
Saying that though he was a glove away from making it 1-0, small margins.
Playing Neymar as a striker looking for long balls is completely pointless. I get they wanted to try and isolate Mbappe against Kimmich for the long ball but it just didn't work. Bayerns pressing meant the ball was hardly ever on, and when it was they messed it up under pressure. They should have changed to a 4-2-3-1 and let Neymar come deeper and build play like he usually does.
Saying that though he was a glove away from making it 1-0, small margins.
Di Maria was the best of the attackers, lots of clever passes and movement.
Nowhere near Romário, Ronaldo, Rivaldo or Ronaldinho.
Because they usually win - he just isn’t Ronaldo or Messi
Neymar has got nothing on both players honestly.Even said he’s the most well rounded,
.At diving?
Apparently, extra time would have meant he’d missed his plane for his sister’s dog’s birthday party.
Completely agree with this assessment. Marquinhos, especially when Herrera came off, became a 1-man midfield for PSG and they just couldn't get out of their third of the pitch.
It's true that Neymar took the initiative in the final 20 minutes of the game and that it ultimately didn't pay off but I don't agree it was detrimental to the team because nobody else was doing any better at this stage in the game. Adding to this, he was dangerous whenever he received the ball and it usually resulted in some overly aggressive defending (fouls) to stop him from doing his thing.
Lolno. Not even close
Ronaldo was the most talented player ever
(Agree about him being as talented as Dinho though)
His sister wishes he had won the final. Won't be easy but she will help him get back in shape.
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The ability level is pretty much the same though. Sometimes, winning is just as much about luck on a certain day as it is about talent
To his credit, he does seem more mature than in his early twenties.
I don't get the hate in here. He's clearly developed as a character and presented himself as a fair sportsman. No antics, no rolling around unnecessarily, congratulated the Bayern players. Was very professional in the preparation as it seems and his reaction showed how serious he took the tournament.
That being said, he has lots of work to do I think. He got into a tunnel and tried everything by himself, often overseeing the easy passing option. Far too often Mbappe and Neymar got into dribblings in rather harmless positions. It was hard against the pressure Bayern put onto them but still, you can't rush the build up or they'll dominate you.
Individually, he may very well be the best in the world right now. Not sure if he's surpassed Messi already but this CL campaign was great. And he also showed glimpses of that against Bayern when he cut through half der defense and midfield alone. But PSG has to improve as a team in this regard if they want to mess with the very best.
That being said, he has lots of work to do I think. He got into a tunnel and tried everything by himself, often overseeing the easy passing option. Far too often Mbappe and Neymar got into dribblings in rather harmless positions. It was hard against the pressure Bayern put onto them but still, you can't rush the build up or they'll dominate you.
Individually, he may very well be the best in the world right now. Not sure if he's surpassed Messi already but this CL campaign was great. And he also showed glimpses of that against Bayern when he cut through half der defense and midfield alone. But PSG has to improve as a team in this regard if they want to mess with the very best.
Filipe Luis (one of his best friends) has spoken about this, he says Neymar only turns into that when things aren't going his team's way.
If you notice in first half, he was very disciplined and took only the necessary touches in the ball and kept his CF position even though he probably wanted more of the ball. It was only in last 20 minutes or so that he tried forcing everything because the ship was sinking.
He's one of the best in the world - but alongside Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar his situation proves that football really is a team game.
Messi dominated with a stacked Barca team in the early 2010's, Ronaldo ditto with that Madrid team in the middle 2010s after struggling, Neymar shines at PSG but even their second best player in Mbappe is still pretty inexperienced. Stick Neymar into that Bayern team and he gets a ton of plaudits.
Messi dominated with a stacked Barca team in the early 2010's, Ronaldo ditto with that Madrid team in the middle 2010s after struggling, Neymar shines at PSG but even their second best player in Mbappe is still pretty inexperienced. Stick Neymar into that Bayern team and he gets a ton of plaudits.