Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

[FlapR]

It's not a claim. It's well documented by multiple organizations, including Transparency International among others.

https://www.ganintegrity.com/portal/country-profiles/greece/

Good to see someone talking sense.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Just need to let the dust settle on this one. I don't think any of us are qualified or have enough information to pass judgement.

Neither was the Greek court. Where was VAR.

 

[OL29]

I think you've got to be a prat to believe the police authorities. Their own story doesnt even sit straight.

I can guarantee they asked for some money to let him go and he told them where to go.

Tactic 101 for the cops abroad. They're puppets for the local mobsters anyway

I don’t understand how anyone can be 100% either way in this case.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Here is the thread: As I said, I admire and rate him as a player more than many on here.

If he is serious about representing OGS and his values and culture, he's an idiot for choosing this destination, and for being drunk on the town near gangsters who can goad and abuse his fame.

This is no longer ifs and buts. The incidents sound very plausible. He was very angry with the police for whatever reason, and then acted out. I believe the Greece police and the court. He was found guilty.
Only evidence you have is a claim that "Greece is corrupt". If the police were so corrupt, why didn't they accept the bribe? I find such claims quite xenophobic.

Sorry, just couldn’t resist... After all the flack you gave British Police back in
June.

 

[captain666]

I would not hold out too much hope for the appeal process but regardless of whether Harry is innocent or guilty he has certainly acted like a fool.
Reputational damage to both Club and player has already been incurred which leaves Ed/Ole with a dilemma.
Think Harry may well voluntarily relinquish the captaincy in the meantime.

 

[dev1l]

Where did I say it was worse, I said it was a totally different situation.

Cantona was like that Spurs player (?) who went into the crowd.

Not really. Spurs player Dier confronted the fan, Cantona kung fu kicked him.
Both incidents could have triggered crowd trouble though.

 

[NYAS]

It's not the same case, Maguire wasn't judged the same day. In the example that I gave you Maguire would have been judged on Friday or even Thursday depending on when he was arrested that day. And the issue with your comment and others is that none of us know why it was rejected and what we are talking about from a procedural standpoint. And the Law is procedural, if you don't know what procedure is being used and if it has been used appropriately. And it's pointless making comparisons when you don't know what you are comparing, you don't have enough informations to do that.

Your whole point seems to be that nobody should be discussing this.

After discussing it with you and a couple of other lawyers, I still haven’t been convinced that it isn’t strange.

Let’s leave it there.

 

[Drainy]

Are you being serious, is that really what happened?

His clients, he said, had acted in self-defence and had not realised that the men who had come to break up the fight were police officers because not all were in uniform. Anagnostakis, a leading human rights lawyer, who often defends Britons who get into trouble in Greece, said the brawl had been set off when Maguire learned his sister had been attacked by two men. Describing the pair as Albanians he said they had deliberately “injected” the 20-year-old with a substance that had caused her to instantly faint.

Ashden Morley, a friend of the Maguires called by the defence to corroborate the incident, said the group suspected she had been injected with what was described as a rape drug after Hawkins noticed Daisy’s eyes “rolling back in her head”. The group had called the driver of their rented van to take them to the island’s health clinic but found themselves being driven to the police station at the direction of undercover officers, the lawyer claimed. Undercover officers are commonplace on Mykonos to ensure restrictions to contain the spread of coronavirus are being upheld.

Some of the most dramatic moments in the courtroom came when Morley, aged 27, a quantity surveyor, said the group thought they were going to be kidnapped by men chasing them in cars behind the mini-van. “Our bus door opened and five or six males tried to force us off by physically pulling us,” he said recounting the scenes and fear that they were about to be “held at ransom”.

 

[led_scholes]

I have already said that the UK is also a joke in this thread.. so well done.

Maguire is from South Yorkshire, he grew up with a corrupt police force. Having a trial where the defence wasn't given the evidence and enough time to defend themselves is a joke. Like you based on your post there.

Also

I think the worst is that you don't understand that the joke in this case are your logical fallacies.

 

[Wedge]

He would have listened to what he had to say and backed him, like he backed numerous players down the years for all sorts of things. That is why players ran through a brick wall for him.

Exactly, look at what he did for cantona and I imagine Ole will do similar for Maguire.

 

[Sigma]

Just need to let the dust settle on this one. I don't think any of us are qualified or have enough information to pass judgement.

Yeah I'd agree with this.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

That statement could just turn this island into a holiday destination for men only.

 

[C3Pique]

Some of you lot are proper hysterical.

This will be forgotten in a few weeks, he'll still be captain, and still play for England.

If he wasn't a United player it probably wpuldn't make the news.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Sorry, just couldn’t resist... After all the flack you gave British Police back in
June.

What happens in the CE stays in the CE, mate.

 

[passing-wind]

Can't really judge given we don't know the circumstances but it's almost an unwritten rule to avoid public confrontation when your in a country outside your own nation. Have heard horror stories of tourists in Dubai going through similar situations and being stung by the strict legal standards.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Loads of his ex-team mates etc, most notably Rio, has said he isn't this nice guy everyone thinks he is because he has a babyface.

Just look at how he's dealt with players he didn't want at the club. There's no reason to believe he's a nice guy who doesn't lay down the law.

I sincerely hope so. I do believe he will deal with this behind closed doors. And back the player publically.

 

[Dve]

I would bet there will be a behind the scenes chat and Maguire will give up the captaincy "voluntarily".

Maybe you´re right, but the court case is appealed, don´t forget and the last word is not said. We´ll still get to hear Maguire´s version of it (and his sister´s, and his friend´s). Will be interesting to see.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

He bribes who he wants!
He bribes who he wants!
Harry Maguire he bribes who he wants!

 

[Withnail]

What did Keane actually do? That challenge tackle on Haaland? Or Saipan in the world cup?

There were a fair few drunken incidents iirc.

As someone mentioned earlier Fergie had to pick him up from the Cop Shop after he was accused of kicking a woman in a bar.

I just looked it up and had forgotten this was less than a week before the FA Cup Final in 99

https://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/may/18/newsstory.sport4

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Exactly, look at what he did for cantona and I imagine Ole will do similar for Maguire.

You wonder if he will ask Sir Alex advice. Can't imagine he will be too chuffed with Harry, but will be furious about how the court case was held.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I'm sorry, I haven't been following this 3,000+ post thread.

 

[duffer]

Exactly, look at what he did for cantona and I imagine Ole will do similar for Maguire.

Ferguson was going to give Cantona a 4 month ban for the Kung Fu kick. Do you really think Ole will be that harsh?

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Possibly although Fergie had to personal go to the station in order to pick Keane up after he was arrested for allegedly kicking a woman. I'm pretty this happened on the same week as the FA Cup final in 99.

Keane was still United captain afterwards. But yeah it's put Ole into a difficult situation.





It was just a joke.

Actually, this is a good opportunity to create a siege mentality. If handled right.

 

[Drainy]

I think the worst is that you don't understand that the joke in this case are your logical fallacies.

Ok

 

[Sassy Colin]

Ferguson was going to give Cantona a 4 month ban for the Kung Fu kick. Do you really think Ole will be that harsh?

Cantona didn't play for quite a while, did he. I don't remember him playing in the next game. Or am I mistaken?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Ferguson was going to give Cantona a 4 month ban for the Kung Fu kick. Do you really think Ole will be that harsh?

Think that was just to try and soften the PL ban, but it didn't. Also it buggered our season.

 

[JPRouve]

Your whole point seems to be that nobody should be discussing this.

After discussing it with you and a couple of other lawyers, I still haven’t been convinced that it isn’t strange.

Let’s leave it there.

No, I'm saying that nobody in this thread should take a side without more informations. We can speculate and discuss the case but we can't talk with certainty about it, we don't know what Maguire did or didn't do, we don't know what his lawyers did or didn't do. An other thing that is very important, lawyers and judges mess up all the time by failling to follow due process, it's not fishy or dodgy they are just fallible, that's an other reason why from the outside you can't judge that case without more information.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Cantona didn't play for quite a while, did he. I don't remember him playing in the next game. Or am I mistaken?

We decided to ban him ourselves, but the PL did not think it was long enough and banned him into the following season.

 

[Che Guevara]

Maguire has just been dropped from the England squad.

 

[black country red]

Maguire has my 100% support, best captain in a good while and feck all y'all who think differently

2nd most corrupt country in the EU, with a notoriously corrupt police force. Well done Greece , what a joke of a country.

Shit player on the field. Shit person off the field. Embarrassment of a captain.
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[90 + 5min]

Well, this was not good news at all. I think, with everything on the table, ManUtd as a club has serious discusions infront of them about several things regarding Maguire.

I note there is some upset about Greece. People calling Greece justice system a scam have to understand that "western" system isn't always the best one.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Maguire has just been dropped from the England squad.

Yep. We know. Needs a rest anyway.

 

[Drainy]

People calling Greece justice system a scam have to understand that "western" system isn't always the best one.

but one where the charges can be changed and substituted moments before a trial is better?

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I've never heard of a legal system working this quickly in my life. Quite fishy if you ask me.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Well, this was not good news at all. I think, with everything on the table, ManUtd as a club has serious discusions infront of them about several things regarding Maguire.

I note there is some upset about Greece. People calling Greece justice system a scam have to understand that "western" system isn't always the best one.

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Very interesting tweet

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Maguire should not have put himself in that situation?

Hahaha!

So you won’t defend your family/friends if you see them in danger no?

Great friend you are.

What are you on about?

He shouldn't have been there in the first place! Shouldn't have gone to a public place on a holiday. He could easily afford a private location for family and friends.

Instead he want in a confined bar during a global pandemic. He has increased his risk of getting into trouble, contracting covid and passing it on to United team mates. There are video clips of him pissed up, wandering around bars in Greece having selfies and slapping fans on the back ffs.

 

[black country red]

Didn’t mean to put them quotes on but totally agree on the first second is a bit rash the 3rd certainly ain’t from a united fan so feck off on to rawk

 

[redmanc]

Thing i cant get my head around is they took some form of transport for his sister who apparently feinted, asked to be taken to a hospital and ended up at a police station and apparently offered bribes to be let go, but they werent under arrest? this whole thing smells of total bullshit.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

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Very interesting tweet

What the hell is going on there.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

What are you on about?

He shouldn't have been there in the first place! Shouldn't have gone to a public place on a holiday. He could easily afford a private location for family and friends.

Instead he want in a confined bar during a global pandemic. He has increased his risk of getting into trouble, contracting covid and passing it on to United team mates. There are video clips of him pissed up, wandering around bars in Greece having selfies and slapping fans on the back ffs.

You do realise that people who hire villas do leave them now and again.