Would he work as hard for their pressing game though? Not sure he would.
Lewa covers a lot of ground.
Robert Lewandowski 2019/20 performances
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Lewa covers a lot of ground.
I might buy Suarez (even then that's hugely debatable) but there's no way Lewandowski is better than Henry was.
Fair enough. Even when he doesn't score he works so much and goes into lots of important duels. Hold up play also better.
I certainly think you can present compelling arguments for both Lewandowski and Henry.
Only one treble? (Looks stupid to quantify that one as well...)
A real shame that Ballon D'or is cancelled this year, he fully deserved winning one.
I'd say the other way around. I hold Henry in extremely high regard, but Lewandwoski is the best striker since Henry. Suarez is good but not as good as Henry or Lewandowski
By what parameters? Not sure it’s clear at all. Lewandowski probably has them for longevity, but I’d have Suarez and Henry - at their best - ahead of Lewandowski.
Commentators on CBS didn't understand why the feck they did that and neither does half the world. FIFA Awards will benefit highly from it.
Well done to him. He deserved to win the CL after the season he had.
Agree. Definitely Suarez and Henry > Lewandowski for me
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What a season.
Happy for him.
A true workhorse and what seems a top top professional.
He's a proper "old school" center forward, love his capacity to always try being the one running in the box rather than being there with no possibility to make a run.
A true workhorse and what seems a top top professional.
He's a proper "old school" center forward, love his capacity to always try being the one running in the box rather than being there with no possibility to make a run.
By that metric i'd go Suarez > Henry > Ronaldo > Lewandowski > Ibrahimovic
Top 5 CF of this millennium. Very close between the 5 of them
Suarez and Henry greater than Ronaldo?
Are you saying only from year 2000 onwards? If so I would put Lewandowski ahead of Ronaldo then even. Suarez and Henry are understandably great because of goalscoring and assisting. Lewandowski has more goals but less assists so it can go either way.
I would have Eto'o above Ibra. Ibra is great but I've felt he's always won with dominating teams and his lack of UCL knockout stage performances is a huge black mark (as was the case against Lewandowski until this year).
yes, post-2000 Ronaldo obviously
As for Ibra vs Eto'o, i guess depends on how you rate them. Ibra's teams were dominating because of Ibra, Eto'o was a fantastic second violin. If you have Messi on your team, better to sign Eto'o, but if you need either to be your star player, Ibra was just a level above
As for Ibra vs Eto'o, i guess depends on how you rate them. Ibra's teams were dominating because of Ibra, Eto'o was a fantastic second violin. If you have Messi on your team, better to sign Eto'o, but if you need either to be your star player, Ibra was just a level above
Lewandowski is now in his 5th consecutive season where he's scored 40+ goals in club competitions.
Suarez managed it twice - Ajax (49) and Barcelona (59).
Henry never did but managed 30+ 5 seasons in a row at Arsenal.
R9 did it once at Barcelona (47).
Ibra did it twice at PSG - 41 and 50.
Consistency in terms of goalscoring (over the last 5 seasons - his first year was poor by his standards) it is difficult to compete with Lewandowski and his time at Munich where he's turned into a beast on that front. 221 goals in 240 appearances in those 5 seasons.
Suarez managed it twice - Ajax (49) and Barcelona (59).
Henry never did but managed 30+ 5 seasons in a row at Arsenal.
R9 did it once at Barcelona (47).
Ibra did it twice at PSG - 41 and 50.
Consistency in terms of goalscoring (over the last 5 seasons - his first year was poor by his standards) it is difficult to compete with Lewandowski and his time at Munich where he's turned into a beast on that front. 221 goals in 240 appearances in those 5 seasons.
In goals per game it should be even more stark, due to our 34 rather than 38 matchdays league.
Henry and Suarez were much more creative players (Henry got 20 assists one year and regrdless influenced Arsenal as a team much more) and didn't play on one team leagues. It's like Zlatan who gets a bit overrated for dominating the French league albeit some of it due to the age he was. Lewandowski is indeed wonderful but I can't put him in that category. Was also poor in the final barring the shot that hit the post.
If you disregard his contributions aside from goalscoring, which you didn't for Henry. He's also working tirelessly in our pressing/defending system, and he has also given the most assists in this season's CL.
He's playing in a one horse league so it doesn't matter how good he is and how much he is working. He can only prove himself in the PL.
Tbf I did explicitly state I was talking about goalscoring, not assisting and creativity even though Lewandowski isn't average in terms of that.
Also if you ignore the league and look at the CL in those 5 seasons he has 45 goals in 50 CL games.
It's insane that he got 15 goals as well as top assists yet I still don't see this UCL campaign from him as anywhere near the best ones from Ronaldo
He could have done better in the final rounds more. Although Ronaldo had more games to do it.
Never had the feeling that Lewandowski was the key guy behind the wins in the last 3 rounds.
Yea I think it was just all too easy for Bayern overall for Lewandowski to stand out like Ronaldo did.
There was never a game where they struggled other than arguably the final, they just smashed every team so badly that his goals don't come off as memorable as Ronaldo's
I thought against Lyon they conceded lots of chances. Could have been a game for him to shine if Lyon took a few.
Now he scored the last goal in a 3-0 win instead.
He definitely was, they would not have won those matches had it not been for Lewandowski. You remember Mandzukic being a key player for clubs like Bayern and Juve because he could hold the ball and also harass defenders by pressing, Lewandowski does that just as good as Mandzukic (if not better). Lewandowski's ability to hold the ball and win headers was key.
Don't forget he got the first assist v Barca and should've had one more v Lyon for Goretzka. 7 goals + assists v Chelsea as well.
He did a good job don't get me wrong, but did not standout in the wins. I thought Coman stood out more in the final as well as Neuer. Gnabry in the semi final and Mueller was brilliant in all the games.
Was a non factor for most of the final. Him and Muller got very little out of the PSG backline.
Lewandowski had our two best chances aside the actual goal, for which Müller was crucially involved by drawing several defenders on him and redirecting the ball with a one touch pass to Kimmich. So that's a rather superficial look at their performances in the match.
Really unlucky to have Ballon D'Or cancelled this year. It would have been in his pocket easily. Pretty shame.
I really don't agree.Exploding the Lewandowski myth
Let's not let emotions cloud our judgement, we have to scrutinize the facts with fair assumptions and a reasonable conclusion.
Lewandowski's being talked about as some kind of historic great. You seriously think players like Kane, Aubameyang, Haaland etc. wouldn't produce similar numbers to Lewandowski if they were the sole striker at Bayern??
Look at the raw numbers. Haaland hit 44 goals in 40 games, which is unbelievable. Cry babies can say "oh but he wasn't at the Bundesliga for all those games!" Well guess what, he's got 13 goals in 15 games in the Bundesliga with a far inferior Dortmund team compared to Bayern. Only God knows what he would have done at Bayern but I would put all my chips in that he would outperform Lewandowski across the board.
Let's look at Aubameyang's Bundesliga numbers. He was a winger and once they turned him into a striker he hit 40 goals in 46 appearances. In the Bundesliga that was astonishing 31 goals in 32 games. Again, with a far inferior Dortmund team. I can't even imagine how much he would have scored and assisted at the head of this Bayern team. One thing is for sure, probably would outperform Lewandowski.
I would bet that Kane would also outperform Lewandowski, if he was in this Bayern squad.
No point pointing to Bayern's treble victory because Bayern also won the treble with Mandzukic at the head of the team.
Muller assisted 22 times in the Bundesliga and Gnabry another 10 assists. The engine here isn't Lewandowski. You have to look at the numbers.
Any of the strikers I mentioned, plus more, would have converted the chances that were given to Lewandowski. To say otherwise is just flatly dishonest. Coutinho came off the bench and immediately scored two goals against Barca plus assisted Lewandowski. That's 2 goals plus an assist and he's not even deemed worthy of being kept at Bayern.
People are looking at Lewandowski but they don't realize that he's a puppet at the head of an efficient Bayern system. When the team plays well, he plays well. When the team plays poorly, he's incapable of lifting the team.
Put Mandzukic, they win the treble. Put Kane there, win the treble. Put Haaland there Etc.
If you want to know if Lewandowski is consistent or not, I'll remind people of the fact that Lewandowski in particular failed against the Spanish sides (which includes Atletico) plus also Liverpool between 2015 and 2019. It was actually embarrassing watching him against Van Dijk, Varane etc. He done nothing to help his team. Bayern fans know what I'm talking about. He fluffed many chances, he was weak and incapable of doing anything meaningful in the Champions League, for FOUR straight seasons. He cannot lift a Bayern team that is playing poorly. It's that simple. He also missed easy opportunities in all those games. So he's not a special striker at all.
Bottom line? Lewandowski isn't as special as you think
Firstly Lewandowski literally carried Bayern when they were coached by Kovac. I think many people forget how bad they were under Kovac, and how Lewandowski constantly bailed them out.
Also, Mandzukic did indeed win the CL with Bayern, but was not one of their star players. Offensively that Bayern had prime Ribery and Robben, probably the two best wingers in modern times. Also a prime Lahm, Schweinsteiger to support them.
The current Bayern has Lewandowski as their star player. And besides scoring goals, Lewandowski is an extremely good team player.
Also Lewandowski for Poland is pretty much their best player ever for the NT despite not having great support there.
I'm very certain any of Kane, Aubameyang or Haaland couldn't do anything close to what Lewandowski did this year.
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Exploding the Lewandowski myth
Let's not let emotions cloud our judgement, we have to scrutinize the facts with fair assumptions and a reasonable conclusion.
Lewandowski's being talked about as some kind of historic great. You seriously think players like Kane, Aubameyang, Haaland etc. wouldn't produce similar numbers to Lewandowski if they were the sole striker at Bayern??
Look at the raw numbers. Haaland hit 44 goals in 40 games, which is unbelievable. Cry babies can say "oh but he wasn't at the Bundesliga for all those games!" Well guess what, he's got 13 goals in 15 games in the Bundesliga with a far inferior Dortmund team compared to Bayern. Only God knows what he would have done at Bayern but I would put all my chips in that he would outperform Lewandowski across the board.
Let's look at Aubameyang's Bundesliga numbers. He was a winger and once they turned him into a striker he hit 40 goals in 46 appearances. In the Bundesliga that was astonishing 31 goals in 32 games. Again, with a far inferior Dortmund team. I can't even imagine how much he would have scored and assisted at the head of this Bayern team. One thing is for sure, probably would outperform Lewandowski.
I would bet that Kane would also outperform Lewandowski, if he was in this Bayern squad.
No point pointing to Bayern's treble victory because Bayern also won the treble with Mandzukic at the head of the team.
Muller assisted Bayern Munich 22 times in the Bundesliga and Gnabry another 10 assists. The engine here isn't Lewandowski. You have to look at the numbers.
Any of the strikers I mentioned, plus more, would have converted the chances that were given to Lewandowski. To say otherwise is just flatly dishonest. Coutinho came off the bench and immediately scored two goals against Barca plus assisted Lewandowski. That's 2 goals plus an assist off the bench in a Champions League match and he's not even deemed worthy of being kept at Bayern.
People are looking at Lewandowski but they don't realize that he's a puppet at the head of an efficient Bayern system. When the team plays well, he plays well. When the team plays poorly, he's incapable of lifting the team.
Put Mandzukic, they win the treble. Put Kane there, win the treble. Put Haaland there Etc.
If you want to know if Lewandowski is consistent or not, I'll remind people of the fact that Lewandowski in particular failed against the Spanish sides (which includes Atletico) plus also Liverpool between 2015 and 2019. It was actually embarrassing watching him against Van Dijk, Varane etc. He done nothing to help his team. Bayern fans know what I'm talking about. He fluffed many chances, he was weak and incapable of doing anything meaningful in the Champions League, for FOUR straight seasons. He cannot lift a Bayern team that is playing poorly. It's that simple. He also missed easy opportunities in all those games. So he's not a special striker at all.
Bottom line? Lewandowski isn't as special as you think
This is honestly one of the worst posts to start a discussion that I've ever read on this forum. I'm sorry to just look down on posts like that, but as your mind is so made up, there's no point to really dissect any part of this post to give you responses to those parts.
It honestly reads like Lewandowski once stole your meal during lunch time back in school. Obviously it shows you have your opinion. But you've written it like you're a lawyer doing your closing statement in a trial. The trial that will once and for all judge Lewandowski based on your post and perhaps that of one defendant that is randomly picked amongst Caf members.
Astonishing post.
Some of my favorite bits:
"(...) we have to scrutinize the facts with fair assumptions and a reasonable conclusion."
"One thing is for sure, [Aubameyang] probably would outperform Lewandowski."
"People are looking at Lewandowski but they don't realize that he's a puppet"
"So he's not a special striker at all. "
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Oh dear.
It’s a horrendous post, albeit we should consider the posters clear adolescence as a mitigating factor.
This is honestly one of the worst posts to start a discussion that I've ever read on this forum. I'm sorry to just look down on posts like that, but as your mind is so made up, there's no point to really dissect any part of this post to give you responses to those parts.
It honestly reads like Lewandowski once stole your meal during lunch time back in school. Obviously it shows you have your opinion. But you've written it like you're a lawyer doing your closing statement in a trial. The trial that will once and for all judge Lewandowski based on your post and perhaps that of one defendant that is randomly picked amongst Caf members.
Astonishing post.
Some of my favorite bits:
"(...) we have to scrutinize the facts with fair assumptions and a reasonable conclusion."
"One thing is for sure, [Aubameyang] probably would outperform Lewandowski."
"People are looking at Lewandowski but they don't realize that he's a puppet"
"So he's not a special striker at all. "
Every 'it's only Bundesliga' argument goes out of the window when you look at his UCL status. And that's while I don't rate Bundesliga either.
That is like saying Neuer isn't all that special because of the team he's playing in.Exploding the Lewandowski myth
Let's not let emotions cloud our judgement, we have to scrutinize the facts with fair assumptions and a reasonable conclusion.
Lewandowski's being talked about as some kind of historic great. You seriously think players like Kane, Aubameyang, Haaland etc. wouldn't produce similar numbers to Lewandowski if they were the sole striker at Bayern??
Look at the raw numbers. Haaland hit 44 goals in 40 games, which is unbelievable. Cry babies can say "oh but he wasn't at the Bundesliga for all those games!" Well guess what, he's got 13 goals in 15 games in the Bundesliga with a far inferior Dortmund team compared to Bayern. Only God knows what he would have done at Bayern but I would put all my chips in that he would outperform Lewandowski across the board.
Let's look at Aubameyang's Bundesliga numbers. He was a winger and once they turned him into a striker he hit 40 goals in 46 appearances. In the Bundesliga that was astonishing 31 goals in 32 games. Again, with a far inferior Dortmund team. I can't even imagine how much he would have scored and assisted at the head of this Bayern team. One thing is for sure, probably would outperform Lewandowski.
I would bet that Kane would also outperform Lewandowski, if he was in this Bayern squad.
No point pointing to Bayern's treble victory because Bayern also won the treble with Mandzukic at the head of the team.
Muller assisted Bayern Munich 22 times in the Bundesliga and Gnabry another 10 assists. The engine here isn't Lewandowski. You have to look at the numbers.
Any of the strikers I mentioned, plus more, would have converted the chances that were given to Lewandowski. To say otherwise is just flatly dishonest. Coutinho came off the bench and immediately scored two goals against Barca plus assisted Lewandowski. That's 2 goals plus an assist off the bench in a Champions League match and he's not even deemed worthy of being kept at Bayern.
People are looking at Lewandowski but they don't realize that he's a puppet at the head of an efficient Bayern system. When the team plays well, he plays well. When the team plays poorly, he's incapable of lifting the team.
Put Mandzukic, they win the treble. Put Kane there, win the treble. Put Haaland there Etc.
If you want to know if Lewandowski is consistent or not, I'll remind people of the fact that Lewandowski in particular failed against the Spanish sides (which includes Atletico) plus also Liverpool between 2015 and 2019. It was actually embarrassing watching him against Van Dijk, Varane etc. He done nothing to help his team. Bayern fans know what I'm talking about. He fluffed many chances, he was weak and incapable of doing anything meaningful in the Champions League, for FOUR straight seasons. He cannot lift a Bayern team that is playing poorly. It's that simple. He also missed easy opportunities in all those games. So he's not a special striker at all.
Bottom line? Lewandowski isn't as special as you think
EDIT: I have a limited number of responses available as per restrictions to my account so I'll wait for as many responses as possible before responding to most/all of you in one go.
I think both players, Lewa and Neuer enable the team to play the way they do.
Lewa biggest strength is to receive an imperfect (too hard, not precise enough etc.) pass under extreme pressure (he often is shielded by 2-3 defenders), get it under control and then process it (pass or execute a shot on goal) at the highest speed. In that regard, he is hands down the best on the planet currently, and that's his main contribution *even ahead* of his finishing qualities.
Could you use more bold fonts and underlines though
All three highest scorers in the UCL this year were Bundesliga players as well.
All with a better goal/game ratio than they have in the league. The Bundesliga does miss a 2nd powerhouse that can challenge Bayern, but it's not at all an easy league to score lots of goals in. There's a reason why Gerd Muller is the last Bundesliga player to win the golden boot in 1972, almost 50 years ago.
Even back to back Ballon d'Or winning Karl Heinz Rummenigge couldn't do it, whilst in La Liga players like Falcao, Forlan, Suarez are scoring 30-40 goals and picking up Golden Boots left and right.
Yes they miss a 2nd giant in that league but it's overall not at all an easy scoring weak league. Fair TV money distribution is probably the reason for that.