Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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USREDEVIL said:
I generally agree with your financial analysis but there'd need to be a fairly good amount of traders with the right info, or someone making a big move (putting himself up for scrutiny) to make it move 9%.
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Yeah the volume of trading was pretty significant. So it would have to have been a lot of traders buying. Or a just a few traders buying (but buying with seriously large amounts of money). What we do know is it’s a lot of volume that has been traded today.
 

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Coman will be the signing we make if Sancho doesn't happen
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Coman would be a fantastic signing for us.
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The reports from Germany have been that there’s no chance Bayern are letting Coman go.

Christian Falk who’s very close with Bayern laughed it off. He said Utd were using it as a scare tactic to Dortmund. But the head at Dortmund and the head at Bayern are on very good speaking terms and speak regularly. Falk was saying it’s silly to use Coman as a smokescreen as Dortmund will know it’s a bluff.
 

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USREDEVIL said:
I generally agree with your financial analysis but there'd need to be a fairly good amount of traders with the right info, or someone making a big move (putting himself up for scrutiny) to make it move 9%.
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Traders are smart people. They probably know which Caftards to follow in this thread and are betting on Sancho bringing us huge success.
 

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One thing i've been wondering is that if we aren't signing Sancho who is basically a huge need for us (no offense to Greenwood who looks very promising) then why are we spending 40m or so on VDB, who with all due respect is a great buy, but not anywhere near the same need as with Sancho. It's over 1/3 the price. And us lot would forgive not getting VDB and even anyone else during this transfer market so long as we do eventually get Sancho. Just a thought.
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Wow! We need to build a solid squad and not just buy one player this window. Only Sancho will be a very poor window in my mind.
 

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Wow! We need to build a solid squad and not just buy one player this window. Only Sancho will be a very poor window in my mind.
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Sancho and VDB. And I don't think it would be a very poor window given we also signed a big player in Jan. Getting in one elite 100 million plus player is a huge deal and usually isn't accompanied by 4-5 others at least not for a team that didn't come out of a transfer ban. I'd take it happily as we stand because just VDB, now that's a poor window.
 

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Can't we get rid of NEIN? It's stale and annoying. If there are no new updates , there need not be one in the title.
 

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I follow the stock markets as well as the crypto markets regularly. Been into trading for a few years now.

With regards to price making significant moves such as 9% in a day. There are two elements as to why price moves on a stock. Fundamental & Techincal.

Technical - This is simply price action moving based on the charts, chart patterns, price hitting key levels where traders are likely to buy or sell. This is simply trading based on how the charts look and using indicators to predict where the price will go next.

Fundamental - This is basically something external to the charts that has had an impact on the price. It could be partnerships, sponsorship deals, potential transfers etc. It’s basically news encouraging people to buy or sell.

Today’s Utd stock price opened up 9% higher than the price it closed at yesterday. So basically there were buyers awaiting as soon as the markets opened.

Looking at the charts there was no “technical” reason that I can see for the price to go up. If anything, the chart pattern suggested the price should go further down. Also the rest of the stock market in general was pretty crap today and everything tanked in price. Tesla dumped hard about 20%.

So basically the price spike has to most certainly be for a fundamental reason. Could it be investors getting wind of potential Sancho signing? Possibly. It’s the only logical reason that would impact the price in such a spike in one day in my view.

The 3rd kit being released is personally for me not significant enough reason to have such a spike. Otherwise this would have reflected across every club releasing their kits. We have to remember as well that the revenue from Kit sales mainly goes to Adidias. Utd only make a fraction on each sale of Shirt I believe.

A key point to note is that the price may have spiked up because investors are taking a punt that Sancho is about to sign and therefore speculating that the price will go up even further if they were to buy the stock now.

It is possible someone who’s a trader has got information from a trusted source on the inside. However it must be noted insider trading is illegal and punished severely. However it’s also very difficult to prove a trader has acted upon a stock after hearing from an agent a certain deal is about to be done.

What I will add is the amount of volume of the Utd stock that has been traded today has been the most for over a month. That basically means its been the most amount of shares swapping hands since over a month ago.

We will see if it means anything soon!
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Maybe there is a rumour the Glazers are selling United to some rich person/entity and the buyers of United's shares are hoping to get in on the action.
 

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amolbhatia50k said:
Sancho and VDB. And I don't think it would be a very poor window given we also signed a big player in Jan. Getting in one elite 100 million plus player is a huge deal and usually isn't accompanied by 4-5 others at least not for a team that didn't come out of a transfer ban. I'd take it happily as we stand because just VDB, now that's a poor window.
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I agree with that. My response was to the poster who was questioning why we made the VDB signing, as all fans would be happy only with Sancho.

VDB + Sancho will be a decent summer. Definitely improves our squad massively.
 

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amolbhatia50k said:
Can't we get rid of NEIN? It's stale and annoying. If there are no new updates , there need not be one in the title.
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Cos the OP @Adnan is holding out for “Jadon Sancho - Dortmund Say Ja, JadON”
(Having ditched the more poetic “white smoke over OT for Sancho”)
 

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Chief123 said:
I follow the stock markets as well as the crypto markets regularly. Been into trading for a few years now.

With regards to price making significant moves such as 9% in a day. There are two elements as to why price moves on a stock. Fundamental & Techincal.

Technical - This is simply price action moving based on the charts, chart patterns, price hitting key levels where traders are likely to buy or sell. This is simply trading based on how the charts look and using indicators to predict where the price will go next.

Fundamental - This is basically something external to the charts that has had an impact on the price. It could be partnerships, sponsorship deals, potential transfers etc. It’s basically news encouraging people to buy or sell.

Today’s Utd stock price opened up 9% higher than the price it closed at yesterday. So basically there were buyers awaiting as soon as the markets opened.

Looking at the charts there was no “technical” reason that I can see for the price to go up. If anything, the chart pattern suggested the price should go further down. Also the rest of the stock market in general was pretty crap today and everything tanked in price. Tesla dumped hard about 20%.

So basically the price spike has to most certainly be for a fundamental reason. Could it be investors getting wind of potential Sancho signing? Possibly. It’s the only logical reason that would impact the price in such a spike in one day in my view.

The 3rd kit being released is personally for me not significant enough reason to have such a spike. Otherwise this would have reflected across every club releasing their kits. We have to remember as well that the revenue from Kit sales mainly goes to Adidias. Utd only make a fraction on each sale of Shirt I believe.

A key point to note is that the price may have spiked up because investors are taking a punt that Sancho is about to sign and therefore speculating that the price will go up even further if they were to buy the stock now.

It is possible someone who’s a trader has got information from a trusted source on the inside. However it must be noted insider trading is illegal and punished severely. However it’s also very difficult to prove a trader has acted upon a stock after hearing from an agent a certain deal is about to be done.

What I will add is the amount of volume of the Utd stock that has been traded today has been the most for over a month. That basically means its been the most amount of shares swapping hands since over a month ago.

We will see if it means anything soon!
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Maybe there is a rumour the Glazers are selling United to some rich person/entity and the buyers of United's shares are hoping to get in on the action.
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Could be a variety of reasons.

What makes the most sense is that there are some serious discussions about letting fans back into the stadiums, sooner than expected.
 

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Marcus said:
Maybe there is a rumour the Glazers are selling United to some rich person/entity and the buyers of United's shares are hoping to get in on the action.
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There was actually, from the possibly reliable Radio del Fuego. Some Ortega family buying us; I think they make taco seasoning or something.

But that was several days ago.
 

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Chief123 said:
I follow the stock markets as well as the crypto markets regularly. Been into trading for a few years now.

With regards to price making significant moves such as 9% in a day. There are two elements as to why price moves on a stock. Fundamental & Techincal.

Technical - This is simply price action moving based on the charts, chart patterns, price hitting key levels where traders are likely to buy or sell. This is simply trading based on how the charts look and using indicators to predict where the price will go next.

Fundamental - This is basically something external to the charts that has had an impact on the price. It could be partnerships, sponsorship deals, potential transfers etc. It’s basically news encouraging people to buy or sell.

Today’s Utd stock price opened up 9% higher than the price it closed at yesterday. So basically there were buyers awaiting as soon as the markets opened.

Looking at the charts there was no “technical” reason that I can see for the price to go up. If anything, the chart pattern suggested the price should go further down. Also the rest of the stock market in general was pretty crap today and everything tanked in price. Tesla dumped hard about 20%.

So basically the price spike has to most certainly be for a fundamental reason. Could it be investors getting wind of potential Sancho signing? Possibly. It’s the only logical reason that would impact the price in such a spike in one day in my view.

The 3rd kit being released is personally for me not significant enough reason to have such a spike. Otherwise this would have reflected across every club releasing their kits. We have to remember as well that the revenue from Kit sales mainly goes to Adidias. Utd only make a fraction on each sale of Shirt I believe.

A key point to note is that the price may have spiked up because investors are taking a punt that Sancho is about to sign and therefore speculating that the price will go up even further if they were to buy the stock now.

It is possible someone who’s a trader has got information from a trusted source on the inside. However it must be noted insider trading is illegal and punished severely. However it’s also very difficult to prove a trader has acted upon a stock after hearing from an agent a certain deal is about to be done.

What I will add is the amount of volume of the Utd stock that has been traded today has been the most for over a month. That basically means its been the most amount of shares swapping hands since over a month ago.

We will see if it means anything soon!
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If you look at the all-time chart a bounce here is not that surprising.

The $13/$14 range seems to have historical support and the price has never dipped below that range since the very beginning when it briefly traded below 13 bucks.

It bounced around here at March 16 (followed by a sharp rise) and again in March 20 (followed by a sharp rise again). This bounce is slightly higher which could indicate it's related to something else but it could also be traders front-running it knowing there is strong support.

It could be related to Sancho (not because they've told shareholders, obviously) but the news has leaked and these kind of news events are always good for the price.

However it could easily be because the price is low in general and due a small recovery.
 

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As good as VdB can be, which can be pretty good imo, it does mean that we have now -35 mill further away from Sancho in terms of the transfer kitty?
 

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We have to get Sancho in quickly as we still have to sign a DM, CB, LB before our first game.
What is going on with Ed....has he got his head in the sand or what?
 

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We have to get Sancho in quickly as we still have to sign a DM, CB, LB before our first game.
What is going on with Ed....has he got his head in the sand or what?
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The supposed transfer kitty went to Ed and the Glazer's pocket, perhaps?
 

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Its entirely possible that the share prices fall and not rise with the news of Sancho's transfer. The market may not like the high acquisition cost especially due to COVID-19 revenues gap. It can certainly have short-term implications on profitability even if the transfer may pay for itself over the long-term.
 

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Organic Potatoes said:
There was actually, from the possibly reliable Radio del Fuego. Some Ortega family buying us; I think they make taco seasoning or something.
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ortega family owns zara making them one of the richest on the planet. but i think it was brushed off as just speculation when that news initially came out.
 
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