I think that if Barca come in for Salah then I could see Liverpool getting Sancho money for Salah and would be in the market for a replacement...
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Did he actually flew over to watch the game?
Wait... what? First I'm hearing of this. Is it confirmed and why isn't this all over the media?
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Woodward was in Germany last evening?
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What i don't get is that the papers seem to suggest negotiations are stuck at us paying Dortmund's asking price.
In the meantime, we are looking at bale as a one year loan option, instead of other permanent options with a more realistic price.
Going after bale sort of indicates that we still believe Sancho is the man for the RW in the long term and plan to go for him again next year.
Next year we will have more to spend, but more clubs will be in for him and if the market goes back up, and he has a good season, and maybe a good Euro, then his price would go up too.
Feels like when we passed on Maguire only to have a crap defense for an entire season and then signed him the next summer for more money.
In the meantime, we are looking at bale as a one year loan option, instead of other permanent options with a more realistic price.
Going after bale sort of indicates that we still believe Sancho is the man for the RW in the long term and plan to go for him again next year.
Next year we will have more to spend, but more clubs will be in for him and if the market goes back up, and he has a good season, and maybe a good Euro, then his price would go up too.
Feels like when we passed on Maguire only to have a crap defense for an entire season and then signed him the next summer for more money.
Exactly what I've said before, one in, one out.
Remember when we all laughed when they lost Coutinho to Barcelona..?
But also remember what they did with the money they got for him..!?!?
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I wonder if Grealish signing a new contract will put some more pressure on Woody, seeing as his options for an alternative have been further reduced.
I'm sure Grealish was his preferred alternative, or at least he was earlier in the window
I'm sure Grealish was his preferred alternative, or at least he was earlier in the window
There's been far too much dithering & delay.. mainly on our part regarding 'The Sancho Saga'.. If it becomes apparent that it's just a case of agreeing to the £108m transfer fee and we then don't stump up the money.. that will relate to a massive kick in the nads for Ole.. The club will be seen as not fully backing Ole even after all the notable progress and restructuring from the ground level up he's made at the club so far.
Probably a scouser running itYeah everyone is so upset about Grealish and Bellingham
I do agree that is what the current problem is. Utd do have the means to buy Sancho but they also don't want to set themselves up to be screwed over in the future. They have already been screwed over by the Maguire deal, Sanchez deal and to some extent AWB price. Utd are trying to learn from their mistakes and avoid situations like the recent past. Unfortunately, they are trying to set the example with probably our most important signing since Fergie left. Sancho could genuinely dictate our future on the pitch for the next 10 years and the direction the clubs goes in footballing wise. I do understand Utd need to make a stance and show we won't be held to ransom in the future. But I also believe they realise the importance of signing Sancho and how critical he is to Ole's future plans and vision. This is the only reason I feel like they will buckle again and end up paying what is being asked. They will just have to try and set the example with a future situation because Sancho is too important a deal to walk away from. Right now, I would be more surprised to see Utd walk away from this deal than I will for us to sign him. I genuinely feel Utd will offer exactly what Dortmund are asking for before the end of this window. The only problem I forsee is Dortmund potentially changing their mind and saying they don't want to sell now, even if its 120m. But I think once the stacks are put on the table, they will take it and send Sancho on his way. Sancho has not agitated for a move but they know that he wants to move to Utd. 120m will be too much to turn down under the circumstances.
That issue is easy to fix. A DoF or a new team in charge of transfers.
Unless it was photoshopped
I find your reply to my post quite bizarre. I had to read my post again to see if I wrote anything worth being called "a fickle and entitled FIFA/FM armchair manager".
Wind your neck in.
Not once did I say it's an easy deal to make, neither did I say "JUST SPLURGE THE £120MILLION ON HIM FOR FORK'S SAKE WOODY".
There's a time and place to negotiate - and if all these media rumours are true, we started an offer at £70 million and that's been titrated up over the months to us making a deal that adds up to £120million in multi-year add ons.
All I said was that Dortmund have no reason to accept a haggled down transfer fee. They've got an exciting team that seems to be raring to go this season. Next Summer, they'll end up getting more than £120million for Sancho.
This deal is not a place to haggle. Dortmund are in the driving seat. Sancho isn't making a fuss to leave. It's a win-win for them. They get £120million this summer, or they get more than £120million next Summer while having another year of a potentially world class player.
You even said it yourself:
Well yes - that's the answer to your question. They value him at 120million - they have no reason to accept a haggled down move. Why would they? They aren't cash strapped. They don't have a clear weakened area in the team that requires rebuilding this summer, thus needing a Sancho-sized transfer to fund for it all.
Dortmund have made it abundantly clear from day 1 how much they want for him, they gave a "deadline" and have since said "he's here for another year".
How stupid do you think Dortmund will look if they end up accepting a transfer fee below the 120million line now? To their fans, as well to other clubs who'll know that their word means nothing when it comes to trying to put an ultimatum on selling players.
Your reply was unnecessarily forward, and to back it up with no sense to it makes it all the more bizarre.
I was close to wavering yesterday, but I am still sure it'll happen. You don't chase someone for close to 2 years and give up because of something that was known at the outset.
I'm back on the train after yesterday. Genuinely believes Ed will pay up two or three days before the window shuts
PSG are a competitor but I wouldn't put Barca down as one. Yes, Messi will leave but he will leave on a free and their finances are now that bad that they can't even buy Depay without selling someone else.
Me and a few other travellers here have got about 10 seats each to ourselves on the train. We had quite a lot of passengers disembark on platform 7 at the Duisburg station last night. Welcome back aboard the train. You are welcome to use the 1st class seats as they will be empty for the rest of the journey. See you when we get off at Old Trafford.
We've been chasing him for 3 years since he was at City. Utd won't wait another year when he's potentially gone forever.
What is this? Where’s the photo?Unless it was photoshopped
1029 pages of desperation.
Hardly a surprise given how important it is to sign the fecker. Screwing up strengthening the squad now, with the lack of even a half decent pre-season, could royally feck up our season
What has the club done to earn the trust of my fellow muppets who still think this is going to happen? This muppet bailed out on the Sancho Express weeks ago. Dortmund are 110% not selling now. We had our chance, we didnt take it. Woodward again fancying himself as a master negotiator when in fact he's as slick as 10pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.
At least we can put that extra £20m to good use ping the wages of Fosu-Mensah, Mata, Jones, Rojo, Smalling, Romero, Perreira, Lingard.......
At least we can put that extra £20m to good use ping the wages of Fosu-Mensah, Mata, Jones, Rojo, Smalling, Romero, Perreira, Lingard.......
Wait what? where is this?Unless it was photoshopped
I think we are almost at the figure as well.
I think I saw it on the BBC website, and sure it was a quote by Simon Stone.
Agreed, we will get him.
Yeah thats it I guess
I do wonder whether 'this' is simple brinkmanship with a very clear end game (blink first in the dying embers of the window) or a plan that has backfired with comeuppance from resistance we simply did not foresee.
If we fail to get the player, after supposedly briefing and keeping up the charade that things are ongoing (by not simply killing the story outright), it'll look very poor on our part if all the eggs that are in the Sancho basket turn out to be duds.
If there was little to no intention of spending big this window, then simply shut your mouth and let the fans whine whilst drowning out the white noise, but why stoke fires on a global scale if you're not going to come through in the end. Drawing all that unnecessary ire toward the club is worse than keeping schtum. If there is a perception of incompetence regarding Woodard and Judge with these things, this courtship falling through would compound that to levels untold thus far. It really would be an odd thing to have brought upon themselves/the club.
As the window dwindles, you also have to wonder which clubs with assets that can enhance us would entertain selling with so little time to acquire what they themselves need plus the knowledge all suitors will have of the fat wedge we've just given them being so detrimental to their own negotiations.
Unless Dortmund already have a plan in place and will either use someone currently in their squad or have identified a replacement who the selling club are willing to give up, there is also a question of what point they would outright reject the sale. Sure, if the plan is to pocket the cash and hoodwink their fans, this can go to the very end of the window, but if there is a chain set in motion the moment we pony up, the time for that to realistically play out is finite and certainly not last minute.
I don't know what we're up to behind the scenes with this, but as time elapses, the logical state of play rears its head and asks questions - or demands answers - that were not, or are not currently an issue.
There is an element of curiosity in seeing how far we think we can push Dortmund or whether there's even a plan to do so over plain impasse that won't be broken without some give on our side. If they're adamant on terms (no clauses and incentives for the full amount) then it's up to us to yield, in good time, or walk away.
The 'saga' is an absolute damp squib as far as entertainment goes because we're essentially clueless and there aren't any scraps to feed on, so you do just want a fast-forward a week or 10 days to get to the juicy part where, I feel, decisions will be made and the time for real moves in lieu of all these feints and posturing take over.
On another note, if we're keeping tabs on Bellingham and Haaland with the intent to throw our hats in the ring when the time comes, surely the best working relationship we can muster with Dortmund is essential with this transfer so taking this to the absolute wire, assuming they will fold, perhaps isn't the best course of action for the sour taste it'd leave behind.
If we fail to get the player, after supposedly briefing and keeping up the charade that things are ongoing (by not simply killing the story outright), it'll look very poor on our part if all the eggs that are in the Sancho basket turn out to be duds.
If there was little to no intention of spending big this window, then simply shut your mouth and let the fans whine whilst drowning out the white noise, but why stoke fires on a global scale if you're not going to come through in the end. Drawing all that unnecessary ire toward the club is worse than keeping schtum. If there is a perception of incompetence regarding Woodard and Judge with these things, this courtship falling through would compound that to levels untold thus far. It really would be an odd thing to have brought upon themselves/the club.
As the window dwindles, you also have to wonder which clubs with assets that can enhance us would entertain selling with so little time to acquire what they themselves need plus the knowledge all suitors will have of the fat wedge we've just given them being so detrimental to their own negotiations.
Unless Dortmund already have a plan in place and will either use someone currently in their squad or have identified a replacement who the selling club are willing to give up, there is also a question of what point they would outright reject the sale. Sure, if the plan is to pocket the cash and hoodwink their fans, this can go to the very end of the window, but if there is a chain set in motion the moment we pony up, the time for that to realistically play out is finite and certainly not last minute.
I don't know what we're up to behind the scenes with this, but as time elapses, the logical state of play rears its head and asks questions - or demands answers - that were not, or are not currently an issue.
There is an element of curiosity in seeing how far we think we can push Dortmund or whether there's even a plan to do so over plain impasse that won't be broken without some give on our side. If they're adamant on terms (no clauses and incentives for the full amount) then it's up to us to yield, in good time, or walk away.
The 'saga' is an absolute damp squib as far as entertainment goes because we're essentially clueless and there aren't any scraps to feed on, so you do just want a fast-forward a week or 10 days to get to the juicy part where, I feel, decisions will be made and the time for real moves in lieu of all these feints and posturing take over.
On another note, if we're keeping tabs on Bellingham and Haaland with the intent to throw our hats in the ring when the time comes, surely the best working relationship we can muster with Dortmund is essential with this transfer so taking this to the absolute wire, assuming they will fold, perhaps isn't the best course of action for the sour taste it'd leave behind.
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You agreed to the previous poster who said that "Pretty obvious though we never wanted to send much money this window so this Sancho excuse was pretty handy"
How is it clear that we never wanted to spend that much money? No one knows how much United want to spend this summer. We probably don't want to spend that much in one go, of course we don't hence why we looked at doing installments. The asking price is well documented yes. But we'd look like even bigger morons than we already do if we just pay the asking price of every single player we want, then clubs will take advantage of that.
The paragraph where I wrote "Sancho is one of" and subsequently "a fickle and entitled FIFA/FM armchair manager" was me going off on a tangent, wasn't directly aimed at you, was just me ranting about transfers, as I wrote "You all" - Apologies for being forward.
The only thing I saw was that parody of ‘Your face when Sancho scores’ and they used Woody looking grumpy. Not seen anything other than that.
I ain't giving up.
I'll be here October 5th till midnight, hammering that refresh button.
I'll be here October 5th till midnight, hammering that refresh button.
Apologies - fair enough.
I think there is no brinkmanship. I think United don't want to spend that kind of money. As for Haaland and Bellingham I think that ship has sailed. There will be new players on the scene soon. We have lost out on so many players in the past, Eden Hazard, Thiago and Toni Kroos. It happens , it's part of football. We must focus on developing real talent in our academies. Am encouraged by what the Club are doing now in that area. That is the best way.
What's the betting that an early season loss will cause panic and ensure that we panic and pay Dortmund pretty much what they were asking for anyway?
Not this year but the dippers will be in for Sancho next summer if they can sell one of their wingers. ESPN also reporting that our club hierarchy are concerned about competition for Sancho next year, which makes our stance on this transfer even more puzzling.
Salah will be 29 next year but would likely still command a fee in the region of £70 million leaving the rest for the dippers to fund. For Sancho they will 100% do that. They would also not hesitate to pay the agent fees. I do find the arrogance of our supporters in minimizing this threat amusing when we’ve seen this club absolutely feck up big deals before.
Should we be wishing for a loss, then?
No.Should we be wishing for a loss, then?
I still think Sancho will happen, because I don't think the board are that stupid to not invest in a RW and a 20 year old talent who is borderline world class already.
You'd expect they wouldn't be signing other players if Sancho was the 'top priority'.
You'd expect they wouldn't be signing other players if Sancho was the 'top priority'.
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