Still a big fan of the Glazers?
Woodward, Glazers....
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Not at all, would open a champagne when they leave.
At the same time, I haven’t delegated the capacity of thinking to MUST and co.
'All they have to do'"Utd are far from finished under Glazers all they have to do".....They are not doing the things you highlighted thats the point!.
It's why I'm pulling my hair out..
All the ambassador role holding ex players will be doing media this coming week, you watch
You were happy to defend them a few years ago, you championed their work in the commercial department; That said department has seen revenue stagnate for the last 4 years.
Their work in the commercial department was great. The other teams catched up though, and the football decisions in the last few years have been so poor that obviously the commercial revenue was going to get stagnated.
These things are related, hard to sell a football product if you suck on the pitch.
Beg to differ, they copied what went on at Real & Barca which would have happened eventually anyway under the PLC. They bring nothing to the club, just rich kids who inherited wealth.
Where's Ravelston? He loves a thread like this so he can defend them.
Your love for the PLC is suspect. Do you also hate SAF?
Using your logic, it must be easy to sell a football product if you're great on the pitch?
If yes, what was great about their work in the commercial department? We're pretty great on the pitch back then I think.
A magnificent club with the best story in football continues to be exploited, yet the likes of FIFA, UEFA, FA, and the Premier League continue to ignore what has/is going on. Feck the lot of them. FFP is a load of bollocks that allows parasites to continue to leach. The Glazers are the worst type of owner in football and their type need kicking out of football for good. Scum bags.
Anyone else squeamish from those stupid slimy pubes Avram has stuck to the back of his head. It’s the first thing I’m drawn to when I see a pic.
Haha. Like explanations about agent fees holding deals up, underhand tactics by other clubs we were not willing to tolerate, and the belief in the players already at the club?
I can't wait to be rid of them, but I still expect us to make a couple of signings before the window closes. There is no way they'll invite the media ridicule and social media hate with just DvB, especially now that other clubs seem to have figured out how to make transfers this summer.
I'm here. What do you need?
Things are going to have to come to a head sooner or later, how much longer can us fans sit back and watch these shower of bastards destroy this great club? I know there’s been protests in the past that have came to nothing but something has to be done or these leeches will eventually run the club into the ground.
We are finished mate'All they have to do'
It's why I'm pulling my hair out..
Vast majority won't do anything about it, nothing will happen. If we sign Sancho the majority of idiots whinging on social media would soon disappear.
I didn't say that, I actually argued against it.We are finished mate
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Possibly, but there was no indication that this was going to happy. We essentially had no commercial department under them, and it was essentially Nike + vodafone.
Need also to be reminded, that the two main owners (who had gotten almost control of the club, and to reach that were needing less than extra 10% of stocks) were pushing hard for SAF to be fired (for reasons not related to football). That would have sucked and set us back for a few years.
I also think that Glazers copied more the Bayern model rather than Barca + Madrid, but a bit more international. And then got copied by virtually every club in England.
I don't think that Ravelstone was defending them. More like he wasn't falling into the hysteria and 'oh my God, we are not able to sign players cause of debt' or the nonsense that 'we only spend when we don't qualify for UCL'. He is also one of the very few people here who actually read the financial sheets of the club and doesn't get his information based on badly written tweets.
Not necessarily easy, but yes, if you are great in the pitch, it is easier to sell a football product. This is why we are richer than Liverpool and co., simply cause when EPL went international, we were the top team. Another 10 years like the last two, and we swap roles also in revenue.
Sorry, missed it.
From what I know (bear in mind, I am not a financial expert), they did a good work on selling the brand. Essentially, under the PLC, we had 2 people working in the commercial department, and the strategy was mostly getting 2 big deals (Nike and vodafone). Under Glazers, we have a few hundred people working on that, and we have dozens of commercial deals. There's been the recurring joke of 'signing sponsors' or 'Mr. Potatoe' and at times in a bad way as 'whoring the club', but those deals actually are very important to sign players.
Essentially, Glazers put a team in place that was able to sell the club's brand (which was already there cause we were awesome on the pitch) all over the world, and significantly increase the commercial revenue. It didn't require them to be geniuses or anything, though it helped having had some experience in the US where the commercialization of the clubs had started before.
That's twice now, with Sky Sports and ESPN they've come out speaking about the 'negativity' being caused by the fan's frustration. Honestly fecking do one. The negativity is caused by your absolute incompetence for two decades now. You got extremely lucky having the best manager arguably in sporting history and since he's left, you've been completely exposed since and I think the fans are honestly just beginning to get sick to death of it.
It's not about the spending, we've spent money in the past few years, but there's a caveat. It was to account for the lack of spending under SAF, to catch up, it was desperation which severely lacked any forward planning or vision. They hadn't spent a cent of their own money, that was all club generated revenue, whilst they took out a feck tonne of dividend payments, not to add, the money is only ever spent as desperation in years we do not get the CL revenue which makes their intentions clear. Let's not even begin in how fecking poor the actual signings being made are/were.
Deadwood are given extended contracts which makes it impossible for them to feck off, essentially stealing a living here. Contract extensions are given extremely easily, resulting in players earning extremely large wages. Managers are signed with completely different footballing ideologies, making a manager's ability to hit the ground running fecked from the start as basically every manager we've had has had to completely sign a whole new squad. It's a constant cycle of delaying potential competitiveness.
I don't buy the Covid excuse either. They bought the club on debt, we've been in debt and fallen into more debt since they've came in feck knows how long ago now, but suddenly they're so scared of the financial implications of their actions and potentially falling a little further in debt? Feck off. If you really were so impacted by Covid and worried of it's implications to the club, help the club out by not taking out your next dividend payments. I'm sure the club will be fine to pay that out to the Glazers though.
The worst part is, they're either extremely oblivious and thick or simply just don't give a feck, because to anyone with half a brain, it's quite obvious they have feck all idea how to get us back to the top and competitive, yet they have seemingly zero interest in implementing any change in personnel or structure. Implementing the required change would result in a much happier fan base, more success on the pitch, which will also lead to more success off the pitch. Increased intrigue, resulting in more fans/revenue. It benefits both the fans AND the Glazers. Yet they refuse to give up power or delegate responsibility effectively, or simply just don't know how to. With proper planning, it would also result in a lesser need to spend so much fecking money every summer, cause we'd have a team that would just need to be refreshed, rather than having to sign half a squad every summer. Instead of actually implementing this change, we'll go through the same motions. Have a shit summer, drop out of the top 4, hire a new manager with a completely different identity, whoever the biggest name available is, go crazy and sign half a new team and brief we are interested in a DOF, rinse and repeat.
I hope we maintain this pressure on them. Pundits and ex players are beginning to pick up on it too. If there's one thing that's evident now, they fecking hate negative PR. 'Your frustration at our ineptitude is creating a negative atmosphere which will impact the start of our season' Feck off
It's not about the spending, we've spent money in the past few years, but there's a caveat. It was to account for the lack of spending under SAF, to catch up, it was desperation which severely lacked any forward planning or vision. They hadn't spent a cent of their own money, that was all club generated revenue, whilst they took out a feck tonne of dividend payments, not to add, the money is only ever spent as desperation in years we do not get the CL revenue which makes their intentions clear. Let's not even begin in how fecking poor the actual signings being made are/were.
Deadwood are given extended contracts which makes it impossible for them to feck off, essentially stealing a living here. Contract extensions are given extremely easily, resulting in players earning extremely large wages. Managers are signed with completely different footballing ideologies, making a manager's ability to hit the ground running fecked from the start as basically every manager we've had has had to completely sign a whole new squad. It's a constant cycle of delaying potential competitiveness.
I don't buy the Covid excuse either. They bought the club on debt, we've been in debt and fallen into more debt since they've came in feck knows how long ago now, but suddenly they're so scared of the financial implications of their actions and potentially falling a little further in debt? Feck off. If you really were so impacted by Covid and worried of it's implications to the club, help the club out by not taking out your next dividend payments. I'm sure the club will be fine to pay that out to the Glazers though.
The worst part is, they're either extremely oblivious and thick or simply just don't give a feck, because to anyone with half a brain, it's quite obvious they have feck all idea how to get us back to the top and competitive, yet they have seemingly zero interest in implementing any change in personnel or structure. Implementing the required change would result in a much happier fan base, more success on the pitch, which will also lead to more success off the pitch. Increased intrigue, resulting in more fans/revenue. It benefits both the fans AND the Glazers. Yet they refuse to give up power or delegate responsibility effectively, or simply just don't know how to. With proper planning, it would also result in a lesser need to spend so much fecking money every summer, cause we'd have a team that would just need to be refreshed, rather than having to sign half a squad every summer. Instead of actually implementing this change, we'll go through the same motions. Have a shit summer, drop out of the top 4, hire a new manager with a completely different identity, whoever the biggest name available is, go crazy and sign half a new team and brief we are interested in a DOF, rinse and repeat.
I hope we maintain this pressure on them. Pundits and ex players are beginning to pick up on it too. If there's one thing that's evident now, they fecking hate negative PR. 'Your frustration at our ineptitude is creating a negative atmosphere which will impact the start of our season'
Feck off
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Probably an illustration that the Glazers are running the club fantastically well.
All this debate about organising a protest against the owners, who are the alternative owners?
Nobody can afford us and nobody seemed happy with the Saudi interest.
No other owner improves our situation (apart from the Saudi’s as they can afford us and don’t seek a financial return.)
What are we hoping Bezos swoops in to save us?
The owners we want don’t exist in our Clubs price range.
Nobody can afford us and nobody seemed happy with the Saudi interest.
No other owner improves our situation (apart from the Saudi’s as they can afford us and don’t seek a financial return.)
What are we hoping Bezos swoops in to save us?
The owners we want don’t exist in our Clubs price range.
Can glazers not float all the shares on stock exchange and thus we could potentially be owned by few different investors? Does it have to be one person?
Nvidia bought arm for 40 billion. All they need to do is drop another 5 billion for us.
Pocket change for them.Possible, though I believe that if they put everything they have on the stock exchange, then the value of the stocks would massively fall (simply cause there would be more stocks than demand for them). So I guess it will either be selling their stocks outside of stock exchange, or gradually offloading them over the years (they have already offloaded 15-20% of them).
Not sure how I would feel if we have dozens of owners (with enough shares). It can go quickly even uglier. Possibly the best solution would be for 51% of the voting power to be on the hands of the fans, and a strictly no divident policy, but I think we missed that train long ago.
At this stage it is either Glazers (or Glazers-like owners) or Saudi Arabia. We are too expensive even for Russian oligarchs.
And make Martial design chips
I’ll forward this idea to Jensen. If I get fired, it is your fault though.
Nah. Assuming the CA in your title means California, you live in a state where Steve Ballmer spent $2bil on a historically shit basketball team and then another $400m on the Forum. There are options beyond the Glazers and governments of OPEC countries, it's just not likely at all that the Glazers will sell until lack of success from a footballing perspective starts to materially affect the value of the club.
True, but that is still half as much as what United would cost. And with NBA having capped salary, the owners take money home each year. Chicago has the highest profit for owners (55m), but other teams do decently well too, so the average is above 10m. For a high market team like Clippers, it would be higher than that, so we are talking in the region of United's divident.
However, the most important part is the return on investment. Does anyone think that United has so much room to grow? If they spend 4 billion in United, how much do they expect it to be valuable in 10 or 20 years? If they think that it might be 6 billion then sure, buying United might make sense. If not, then why would anyone do so?
We will sign no one now. Our starting team will get tired like last season as a result of which we'll start dropping points. Its clear as day and most of us can see it happening. You know whats worse ? We might not be in the top 4 because all our rivals have strengthened and we barely made it last season mainly due to leicester fecking up.
Not sure incompetent is the word. I think they just pre-establish how much they're going to pay whether the price is realistic or not, with their evaluation ultimately not taking too many football related criteria into account, and walk away regardless of how these failed signings hurt the club's chances to be successful
How about a #GlazersOut day. The GlazersOut movement seems confined to social media and hashtags and needs more heft.
we could publicize this day and on that day people could disengage from the Glazers revenue streams (ManUtd social media, MUTV, shirt sales, etc). If coordinated on one day these would show up as a blip in the world’s consciousness and the and we could then repeat it.
I vote for Oct 6 2020 as the first GlazersOut day.
we could publicize this day and on that day people could disengage from the Glazers revenue streams (ManUtd social media, MUTV, shirt sales, etc). If coordinated on one day these would show up as a blip in the world’s consciousness and the and we could then repeat it.
I vote for Oct 6 2020 as the first GlazersOut day.
Its classic isn't it. Spend months leaking this and that to the press and end up falling short of just a few millions more. Its almost as if to prepare an excuse not spending money at the right places once again. Well i knew it will take a decade to get back but with this lots in charge, im not so sure because suddenly everyone else is so ambitious and strengthening. It just took us 18 months to sign bruno, thiago wrnt liverpool after how many years. Im sick and tired robbie.
Woodward is only part of the problem. He's a puppet - move him on and they'll replace him with another puppet who's purely financially/commercially focussed.
IMO a DOF at United will never happen - not in the capacity that we need anyway. I don't doubt that the club has had conversations with candidates but they're probably taking one look at how the club is being run and how their hands will be tied, and running.
I have mentioned elsewhere that if they don't spend big we will just fall behind. However if they were just honest about not being in a position to spend big, instead of just coming out with no value etc, then you could understand it. Yet they will still expect fans to spend money on shirts etc. Hasn't corona virus hits fans finances just the same?
They couldn't give a bollocks about the fans or the club tbf. It's their cash cow and they are milking it.
The COVID situation makes it even easier for them.
Woody updated in an article in MEN
"Together, these investments reinforce our optimism about the future, and we will continue to build on these strong foundations. However, we must also be responsible in our use of resources during the most extraordinarily challenging time for everyone in football."
I think that's all folks. Bruno and VDB and the youngsters signed. Very much along the lines of Ole's interview.
"Together, these investments reinforce our optimism about the future, and we will continue to build on these strong foundations. However, we must also be responsible in our use of resources during the most extraordinarily challenging time for everyone in football."
I think that's all folks. Bruno and VDB and the youngsters signed. Very much along the lines of Ole's interview.
I think it means we won't be paying £108m for a single player. Another sub-£60m signing (or two) could still happen.