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Ousmane Dembele

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Adnan

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Stays fit though. And a better football brain IMO. Dembele is quicker.
I'm not sure about the football brain part but Dembele is more explosive and can comfortably play either side due being genuinely two footed. Personally I feel Dembele has the ability to score 20 goals a season because he can bang with both feet.
 

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He's very loose with his technique and often misplaces simple passes which stands out like a sore thumb at Barcelona, but then so did Sanchez and he went on to be a hit at Arsenal. Even so, I'd be surprised if he was allowed to go on loan because his pace definitely brings something different to Barcelona's attack. If we can, then it's a no brainer as even with his injury record, Greenwood and him are great options for the right and he can also fill in for Rashford on the left.
 

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What would we say a reasonable obligation to buy price is, if we do loan him? I don't see us spending 100m euros on him.
I could be wrong but i'd say £70m and that includes the loan fee.
 

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What's the point ? We need someone who can actually play. This guy is on treatment table all the time.

Just try Perisic or Costa on loan. Try again next year for Sancho.

What a shit show !
 

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I'd definitely take this, even if it is meant as a middle finger to Dortmund - feck 'em.
I don’t think Dortmund would be too upset. Getting dembele on any kind of permanent deal means end of Sancho saga.
 

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I really hope we can get something done here. Loan with an option would be the ideal outcome but feck knows whether Barca would allow it.
 

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The bolded have no real interest in english players unless they are superstars and Sancho is not even close to that. The days of Owen and McManaman are gone.

Liverpool and Chelsea meanwhile cannot outbid these days.
Chelsea have no real need for him but Liverpool have a far better and more attractive project than us plus they could easily get big money from selling one of Salah/Mane next year probably to PSG when Mbappe eventually leaves. Also based off how unprepared we look on the pitch and the likes of Spurs/Arsenal/Everton/Wolves looking strong we may even struggle to get top 6. The chances of us having another free run at Sancho is very very slim.
 

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I don’t think Dortmund would be too upset. Getting dembele on any kind of permanent deal means end of Sancho saga.
It would, but it'd also mean that they miss out on however much we bid for him in a world where football clubs' finances are tumbling.

Who knows if they'll manage to get that fee for him next year? We keep expecting prices to rise exponentially, but literally anything could happen over the next 12 months - it's all chaos right now.
 

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A crock with bad attitude who is likely to cause a ruckus if things aren't going his way? What is not to like... Hope Jones's chit-chat is sublime since he will have a buddy for the recovery room.

Dembele certainly has talent but I`d be reluctant to sign him on anything more than loan+option to buy. And he won't be cheap.
 

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He's only 23 and he's been injuried for 522 days already.
Verratti who you would consider injury prone is 27 and has been injuried for 490 days...

Highly talented but risky as hell, reeks of another Sanchez. Loan with obligation to buy with specific game requirements played during that loan & injury break clause is the only thing I would consider
 

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If we can get a reasonable purchase fee agreed then I'm all for it. He would probably rotate with Greenwood and can cut through deep lying defences with a flash of skill unlike kick and run wide players.
 

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No, I dont. We dont have options. Better than nothing.
We can play Elanga there instead of signing such shit as Costa. But we also need to lower our ambition to a mid-table club level in such case.

If, on the other hand, our ambition is higher than that, under no circumstances we shall buy poor players
 

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He was actually named as one of the players not for sale by Bartomeu.
Yeah that was my thoughts exactly when I saw that tweet from Castles,however was that maybe more the case when it looked like Messi was joining City.

I would take him on a loan deal with an obligation to buy if he was able to prove his fitness over that period.

No doubt there is a quality player in there and pretty confident playing with Tony & Paul could definitely help him flourish again.
 

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For me Dembele in full flow is a better player than Sancho. He's more explosive and with his technique and genuine two footedness he could be a fantastic acquisition on the right hand side.
I don’t know about better than, but he’s one of the only players on the market with a potential ceiling as high as Sancho.
 

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He’ll only have a year left in his contract after the loan. If he comes here and has another injury ravaged season his value will be pretty low with the wages he’s on.
This is true. I hope if we are in for him, a figure around that price can be agreed.
 

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I'd say he's potentially as good as Sancho, injuries permitting. He looked an absolute world beater at Dortmund in the same way that Sancho does currently.

Let them keep Sancho and his ridiculous €120 million valuation for a player who has achieved the square root of feck all.
By signing a different player who has also achieved the square root of feck all.
 

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I Like Ismaila Sarr of Watford.
He’s honestly not near the hype that is being banded around. Yes he’s strong and quick. But he really is a knock it and run kinda player. Similar to James. His close dribbling isn’t great.
 

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I can definitely see something in this for two reasons:

1. We are desperate
2. I can’t see Koeman wanting Dembele under any circumstances
 

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For me Dembele in full flow is a better player than Sancho. He's more explosive and with his technique and genuine two footedness he could be a fantastic acquisition on the right hand side.
I would be delighted with a fit Dembele. He has everything to be world class. But that’s the problem, he’s not shown he can remain fit for his whole time at Barca. It’s a big gamble to hope it’ll change here.

If Utd do agree a loan with obligation to buy. Then the obligation needs to be based on him making a certain number of appearances at the least.
 

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I can definitely see something in this for two reasons:

1. We are desperate
2. I can’t see Koeman wanting Dembele under any circumstances
What makes you think Koeman wouldn't want him after Bartomeu said he is on that list of players not for sale
 

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I would be delighted with a fit Dembele. He has everything to be world class. But that’s the problem, he’s not shown he can remain fit for his whole time at Barca. It’s a big gamble to hope it’ll change here.

If Utd do agree a loan with obligation to buy. Then the obligation needs to be based on him making a certain number of appearances at the least.
Yeah totally agree with that
 

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Better than Mbappe when he moved to Barcelona at the time and a better player than Sancho? Not sure did we watch the same player, his decision making is questionable at least. Not taking Sancho and paying close to 100 million for Dembele doesn't make any sense.
 

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I would be delighted with a fit Dembele. He has everything to be world class. But that’s the problem, he’s not shown he can remain fit for his whole time at Barca. It’s a big gamble to hope it’ll change here.

If Utd do agree a loan with obligation to buy. Then the obligation needs to be based on him making a certain number of appearances at the least.
A fit Dembele wouldn't even have been available for Utd.
 

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The lad plays five games and is out, regularly, and seemingly has no desire to play. There is no way Barca are selling for anything under 80m, it would be a disaster on their accounting. They heavily rely on the valuation of players to keep the club finances going. Selling Dembele for a massive 70-90m loss isn't happening (35m is only about 10m more than they would want as a loan fee). The best we could see is a loan with an obligation to buy, they are not going to let us just loan him even to get his salary and if they do we should probably be wary anyway.

Would love to see him come good, but if we go down that route we are still looking to spend 80m. Has shown nothing but to like to be out of the game on a regular basis.

Sounds exactly like the kind of thing we would do.
 

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I'm not sure about the football brain part but Dembele is more explosive and can comfortably play either side due being genuinely two footed. Personally I feel Dembele has the ability to score 20 goals a season because he can bang with both feet.
Dembele is more likely to skin a defender repeatedly and leave him to eat dust. However, Sancho while being less flashy is more efficient, has better decision making /vision and combines better with the collective as opposed to playing alone Vs a defender.

It's a bit like Neymar constantly needing to tricks whereas Messi does just the right things to execute things perfectly. Obviously neither is comparable to the genius of Messi, but that ability to do what you want without overdoing things (which Pogba lacks and Messi has) is something I think Sancho has more. Which is where the football brain part stems from.
 
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