Should be starting ahead of Lindelof on the weekend.
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I don’t know if you’ve ever built a snowman they are hard as feck. Literally big balls of ice.
I didn't think it was reckless and I was damn sure he would get to the ball first and he did. Problem is we always think he is reckless but he seem to come out of it convincingly.When was the last time we got penalized for his so called recklessness?It was down our left side I think, typical reckless from him to be fair as much as I like him.
I'd have him over Lindelof anytime however, thing is, he is getting injured in his next game.
It’s not that long ago if you look at matches. He’s probably played max 5-7 PL matches as starting CB since then, maybe even less, plus cup matches but mostly against weak teams like yesterday.
Do you want to build a snoooowmaaan......Come on, let's go and play!
(for parents of small kids only joke)
His two biggest weaknesses
1. Fitness
2. Heading
Just fitness really, once that's no longer a problem, he can be our best defender. He's really good and talented, all-around he got everything and can do everything. Alas, we can only dream, no way he can play many games.
1. Fitness
2. Heading
Just fitness really, once that's no longer a problem, he can be our best defender. He's really good and talented, all-around he got everything and can do everything. Alas, we can only dream, no way he can play many games.
1.Fitness
2.He's not a very good defender
I think his biggest problem after his poor fitness is his positioning. That is definitely something that can be improved and might come with more matches. He is often out of position and unaware of what is going on behind him.
Bailly > Lindelof 
His heading really is poor for him to be considered an all-rounder. It's too big of an issue especially for a centre back. It's puzzling because he's got such a great leap, but he just mistimes it, usually ends up going over the ball and heading downwards.
Still, I'm keen to see him over Lindelof right now, because at least Bailly looks like he has strengths despite his weaknesses. I honestly don't know what Lindelof is supposed to be good at other than staying fit.
I reckon he should start the weekend. And then continue to do so with Maguire. But if he gets another big injury (that isnt the fault of somebody else) we should sell him.
If that makes sense.
I kinda dont trust him to have 10 games in a row as it is. But he compliments Maguire better than Lindelof does.
If that makes sense.
I kinda dont trust him to have 10 games in a row as it is. But he compliments Maguire better than Lindelof does.
5-7 matches with no "horror show" would indicate that there is no such trend.
Lindelof's great at pointing at other people when things go wrong. Besides that? Not sure to be honest. Half the defender Bailly is for sure.
I thought it was reckless towards his own well being. He could have easily got injured in a tackle he didn't even have to make. I guess he just like it that way.
Ahh so no fault of Bailly's at all then?He had been out of the side for nearly two months. Played against Leicester the weekend before being thrown in the deep end as part of a back three and with a declining Ashley Young as wing-back. That was a terrible managerial call.
Yeah, you definitely don’t watch United
I don't like Lindelof one bit but I can be objective. We wouldn't have have the third best goals conceded record last season if he was a basket case.
You're making seem like he's played much since then. Last season Bailly only started 8 games, and these were against Chelsea (x2), Norwich, Derby, LASK (x2), Club Brugge and Copenhagen.
The only real team there is Chelsea and one of the games was the embarrassing loss in the Cup semi final. So I could just as easily accuse the Bailly fan club of overreacting to performances against mediocre teams.
I'll take him over Maguire any day of the week, if he manages to stay fit for over 40 mins at least
Am I doing it right?
Am I doing it right?
He came off injured in this match and played well before doing so. The other game against Chelsea he was fantastic upon his return to the team. Solid in all of the other games. He deserves a run with Maguire. They. complement each other well.
If 5-7 games without horror show is good enough for you, well, only you can answer that.
I personally feel it is hard to compare him with Maguire and Lindelof who played 38 and 35 PL matches last season, with good result. At such a large volume of matches, and through minor injuries and fatigue, it is highly likely that any CB will make mistakes and have a “horror show”’ or two. Bailly has played a handful of matches, and he’s been good in most of them, but the opposition has mostly been weak.
We will see if he gets the chance this weekend. It could be that they have concluded that he does not have a fitness trustworthy enough to risk building the defence around, and instead play him in cup matches with a lot of rest to have a good and fit backup for the day someone gets injured.
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If 5-7 games is the total number of his games he has played in the relevant time period then that may not be enough to draw a conclusion about the player but then that was never the point. The point was that one game, following the same reasoning, from two seasons ago cannot be used as a stick to beat him with. Period.
Besides Bailly has played much more than 5-7 games so if you want to form an opinion n him there are enough games where he played against strong opposition.
Nobody's overreacting. The burden of proof falls onto the people that keep mentioning these supposed howlers and red cards. That's what I'm addressing. Nobody in the "Bailly fan club" (really?) is claiming Bailly has had so-and-so amount of stormers/colossal performances, we're just questioning this narrative of him regularly costing us matches.
Now I ask you – which of those 8 were howlers? As reading this thread, you'd think they were pretty regular whenever he played.
I remember his first main injury after a promising debut campaign, he came back in and was absolutely atrocious for about 3 games then got injured again. He has barely played since due to niggles and seems to me loss of confidence in him from our manager.
He is hardly without fault, hasnt progressed from that debut season and still has the rashness and liek JOnes way he goes in for challenges, danger of injuring himself. But it is pretty obvious surely to most fans, staying fit he is a far better defender than Lindelof. Though he snt great in the air, we look much more solid defending crosses, runs into the channels etc and also someting I absolutely disagree with on Lindelof....Bailly is actually better on the ball than him, Lindelofs supposed strength. I would actually say he is a bette defender than Maguire too if he could play consistently and progress
He is hardly without fault, hasnt progressed from that debut season and still has the rashness and liek JOnes way he goes in for challenges, danger of injuring himself. But it is pretty obvious surely to most fans, staying fit he is a far better defender than Lindelof. Though he snt great in the air, we look much more solid defending crosses, runs into the channels etc and also someting I absolutely disagree with on Lindelof....Bailly is actually better on the ball than him, Lindelofs supposed strength. I would actually say he is a bette defender than Maguire too if he could play consistently and progress
I share similar sentiments to others regarding his performance last night, he started sluggish but grew into the game and looked good by the end of the game. I really do think he's a decent player but his little quirks, while entertaining, and injury record will hold him back from ever cementing a place here.
The biggest criticism Bailly has faced in this thread is his ability to keep fit. A quick check through the last few pages and hardly anyone has said he regularly costs us matches with howlers and red cards.
What people such as myself are saying is that he is unreliable, that is closer to fact than a narrative. He's almost never fit and when you add that to him being erratic its easy to see why he doesn't get many starts. Like I said, I'm far from a fan of Lindelof but he's always fit and not erratic so it's easy to see why he's preferred to Bailly.
If Lindelof is having a good game, you know he'll be good all game. In Bailly's case, you're never confident that he won't have a moment of madness at some point.
He's erratic, his heading is extremely loose and he's susceptible to big mistakes.
He might have an argument for starting ahead of Lindelof this weekend but he's just as bad, if not worse, for the most part. I don't care which of the 2 starts if we sign nobody else but we still need better than him.
He might have an argument for starting ahead of Lindelof this weekend but he's just as bad, if not worse, for the most part. I don't care which of the 2 starts if we sign nobody else but we still need better than him.
Those quirks make him a managers worst nightmare. You just never know what he's about to do and I don't think he does either most of the time. If he became more settled, assured and just made the right choices like a top level player does, then maybe I'll change my mind about him.
His heading certainly needs improving. But then when I look at Lindelof’s shocking heading ability, we aren’t really losing much. Bailly basically has everything lindelof doesn’t. Lindelöf has some of what Bailly has.
Apart from his weak heading, Bailly literally has every attribute you would want in a defender. Fast, aggressive, quick recoveries, great on the ball, intense at pressing. This is what makes him incredibly frustrating because his weaknesses are something you would expect can be worked on easily such as his rash decision making.
I’m just saying the PSG match was not that long ago if you look at how few big games he has played since then. He played 1 PL match as CB last season. He played well in that match, but when he is compared to Lindelof/Maguire they played 35-38 PL matches with a very good result. Yet people claim he is by far a better defender than Lindelof, and even some aim he’s better than Maguire.
I personally don’t think we should judge him because of his horror show against PSG, just as Lindelof shouldn’t be judged by his against Palace. I want a bigger sample size, to see the the bigger picture, and to judge. With Lindelof and Maguire I have that, but not with Bailly.
From the few matches at high level it is clear that Bailly has the full range of great, good, average and bad abilities. I don’t think his poor aerial ability is a problem as long as he plays with Maguire, but when he is paired with Lindelof it might be a problem. For me his weaknesses are poor positioning, poor awareness, and his decision making. And of course his fitness is a problem. A CB pair’s success builds on continuity. Hopefully he can stay fit, because no matter whom of Bailly/Lindelof one prefers, it is critical that both are available this season.
I wonder why you didn't highlight the first bit about injuries.
Either way, games against cannon fodder hardly prove he's now reliable. He played 147 minutes in the PL last season and managed to give a pen away in that time. I've no doubt if he was given a run of 10 league games, he will get injured, have a horrow show and have a debatable sending off at some point.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong as the team needs his attributes but I can't ignore evidence of the last 3 seasons.
Fair enough.
@ The first bolded, it wasn't relevant. We're talking about your opinion of the player which has been from the get-go, where you say that he is prone to having one good game and then a horror show. And then you turn around and say that no one is saying that he costs us matches with howlers and red cards. How can you contradict yourself so starkly in the space of 24 hours?
You did say he is prone to having a horror show every other game. Does a horror show mean something different from costing us in red cards and howlers?
You can believe what you want. I could choose to believe that there are magic beans somewhere in the universe. My strong belief wouldn't make it true. Evidence would... Do you have evidence that leads you to believe that over a run of 10 games, Bailly will suffer a red card and commit a howler?
He’s clear of Lindelof. There is no trait where Lindelof is superior to Bailly, including passing. Lindelof’s supposed ball-playing abilities is a myth. I’ve not seen him pull off a really progressive pass in ages, just square to Maguire and vice-versa.
Ole has to start Bailly against Brighton. He’s just a generally better footballer.
Ole has to start Bailly against Brighton. He’s just a generally better footballer.
He suffers a new injury every 5 days
There are many things where Lindelof is superior. Positioning, awareness, reading the game, to name a few. And there are things where Bailly is superior. If Bailly can keep this level even at PL football, without too many mistakes, also playing game after game, twice per week, then they are at the same level imo.
When it comes to ball handing I think they are both good and imo both are superior to Maguire in that sense who takes too long time to pass. Bailly has slightly better long balls and Lindelof has better one touch. Ball playing ability is not only an occasional long ball, it’s more important how you handle the ball under pressure.
I don't know who s better between Bailly and Lindelof but imo Bailly/Maguire > Lindelof/Maguire. As both Lindelof and Maguire lack pace which is important when out opponents play low block in their half.
Having said that, Bailly injury record made him unavailable most of the time. And what s the use of having a better player if he s not available?
Having said that, Bailly injury record made him unavailable most of the time. And what s the use of having a better player if he s not available?
What in the nine hells have you been watching in the past few united matches?
@El Jefe And I'm asking if you can provide a list of these 'moments of madness' for us all?
Where have you seen any of the bolded recently? A good few of our recent conceded goals are because he's lacking exactly those qualities and letting people run in front of him.
I'd definitely think about giving him a solid run of games injuries permitting. There's a top class defender in there somewhere and it seems like he can complement and cover for Maguire's deficiencies perfectly.
Strong, powerful, quick and athletic. If he stays fit and cuts out the batshit crazy stuff he can become a mainstay in the team.
Strong, powerful, quick and athletic. If he stays fit and cuts out the batshit crazy stuff he can become a mainstay in the team.
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