SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[redshaw]

They are breaking down victims by those with underlying conditions and without any conditions daily now. Usually fully healthy people are 5-10% of daily numbers.

Not sure what the point you're making is but this is really old news as this data has been shown in April for western European countries.

 

[Sarni]

Not sure what the point you're making is but this is really old news as this data has been shown in April for western European countries.

It's about how the message is being given, instead of saying "X patients died of covid-19, out of which Y had underlying conditions and Z did not have underlying conditions" they are basically saying "Z patients died of covid-19, Y died of other diseases while having contracted covid-19". Difference is huge. It gives perception that people are dying of hypertension/diabetes/others and not covid and hence most people here think covid is much less dangerous than flu.

 

[golden_blunder]

Next you’ll tell us they’re Xbox users.

Or worse.. PlayStation owners

 

[golden_blunder]

If everyone is saying that this virus is going to be with us for a long time, don’t we need to find a balance that people can actually live with, rather than the draconian measures being put in? Otherwise, mental health issues and things like loneliness is going to be a bigger health problem for most people than the virus itself. For example, I haven’t been able to see my mates for weeks now.

Some of us haven’t seen family since february, nor been able to attend funerals of parents and siblings. Suck it up buttercup

 

[TheGame]

High rise today:

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[redshaw]

It's about how the message is being given, instead of saying "X patients died of covid-19, out of which Y had underlying conditions and Z did not have underlying conditions" they are basically saying "Z patients died of covid-19, Y died of other diseases while having contracted covid-19". Difference is huge. It gives perception that people are dying of hypertension/diabetes/others and not covid and hence most people here think covid is much less dangerous than flu.

I see, it was unclear before.

Yes that won't help in the perception over in your country

 

[Heardy]

Some of us haven’t seen family since february, nor been able to attend funerals of parents and siblings. Suck it up buttercup

I was waiting for someone to respond to that post. I understand people being frustrated at not being able to socialise with friends, but really that's the tip of the iceberg in terms of how bad its been for some people.

Of course there will be exceptions of isolation, and i don't want to downplay importance of seeing friends, but that definitely feels more on the "annoying inconvenience" end of the spectrum compared to the tragedy of missing funerals and not being able to support loved ones in their dying days.

 

[golden_blunder]

I was waiting for someone to respond to that post. I understand people being frustrated at not being able to socialise with friends, but really that's the tip of the iceberg in terms of how bad its been for some people.

Of course there will be exceptions of isolation, and i don't want to downplay importance of seeing friends, but that definitely feels more on the "annoying inconvenience" end of the spectrum compared to the tragedy of missing funerals and not being able to support loved ones in their dying days.

Yeah I kinda regret it because it’s important to him. But in the grand scheme of things missing your mates for a few weeks is not a biggie. Or at least not from my perspective

 

[redshaw]

High rise today:

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Not good at all but it's been coming for a while. We got down to around 10 deaths on Tuesdays, now back to 143

The data was looking grim and on the path of Spain long ago.

 

[F-Red]

Not good at all but it's been coming for a while. We got down to around 10 deaths on Tuesdays, now back to 143

I imagine we're seeing the output of the usual reporting lag from the weekend. We'll be up to 150 per day as an average next week if the trend continues.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Some of us haven’t seen family since february, nor been able to attend funerals of parents and siblings. Suck it up buttercup

Yes, but that was just an example, I know there are much worse examples, but this just proves my point.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Are you suggesting that a Band-Aid isn't enough to stem the flow of blood when you have lopped a limb off with a Samurai sword?

Let's just try using a band aid until 10pm. Maybe the limb will grow back in that extra hour every day.

 

[golden_blunder]

Yes, but that was just an example, I know there are much worse examples, but this just proves my point.

Yeah sorry fella I’m just having a bad day

 

[Berbaclass]

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[Fluctuation0161]

I am isolating, I have no symptoms. I got told to be track and trace to isolate and get a test.

There are only a few places outside my house I have been leading up to being told, went out for a meal on the 3rd, my CrossFit gym, and seeing a few friends. I got told to isolate it on Friday 9th. I then got a test straight away. I also told my friends, housemates, and the CrossFit gym of the situation.

However, I don't know if I'm positive or negative. There is a period of time leading up to being told to isolate and get tested I have had close contact with a lot of people. So there is a period of time I could of spread it, and the longer I take to get results the longer it takes for me to report positive on the app and to track and trace and the longer anyone else I may of past it to are spreading it. Not to mention it takes a whilst for track and trace to contact people.

So you can see why the shitty test system and track and trace does not work.

My office colleague found out last Wednesday he had contact with someone who tested positive. He then got tested and was also positive.

Result was on Saturday, he said he spoke to test and trace that day but no one has contacted anyone else from our office.

We are all now self isolating. But it shows how ineffective Serco test and trace is.

As an aside I had raised the issue of our company not following government guidance for working from home, they agreed but too late, changed practice 1 day too late to avoid this debacle. Face palm.

 

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[McGrathsipan]

My office colleague found out last Wednesday he had contact with someone who tested positive. He then got tested and was also positive.

Result was on Saturday, he said he spoke to test and trace that day but no one has contacted anyone else from our office.

We are all now self isolating. But it shows how ineffective Serco test and trace is.

As an aside I had raised the issue of our company not following government guidance for working from home, they agreed but too late, changed practice 1 day too late to avoid this debacle. Face palm.

I'm Health and safety manager at my place and last Friday I had a call from a staff member who was called by test and trace and told he was a close contact of a positive case.........14 days later!
14 fecking days later.
There are multiples of similar things I hear. Daily.

So it's not working in Ireland either

 

[redshaw]

Netherlands with another 7300 cases, huge amount for a country of 18 mill, one of the highest in the world per capita.

All restaurants and coffee shops will be closed from Wednesday, only takeaway or delivery allowed. No sale of alcohol after 8pm. Mandatory mask rule indoors.

 

[Brwned]

I'm Health and safety manager at my place and last Friday I had a call from a staff member who was called by test and trace and told he was a close contact of a positive case.........14 days later!
14 fecking days later.
There are multiples of similar things I hear. Daily.

So it's not working in Ireland either

Yeah, there are problems with the process and the technology but ultimately the systems across all countries don't have enough people to deal with thousands of cases and hundreds of thousands of contacts per day. There's just not enough people for that now and the amount of people required to deal with that just isn't feasible. The system is supposed to work in situations like Korea's where cases are at >100 cases per day and things get pushed to the limit when they're at 500.

 

[Pexbo]

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Captain foresight!

He knows he’s backed by SAGE too. Good move.

 

[Sweet Square]

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[Berbaclass]

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[Fluctuation0161]

I'm Health and safety manager at my place and last Friday I had a call from a staff member who was called by test and trace and told he was a close contact of a positive case.........14 days later!
14 fecking days later.
There are multiples of similar things I hear. Daily.

So it's not working in Ireland either

Who runs the test and trace in Ireland?

It is crazy. The whole point of lockdown was to get test and trace working. Instead, our government gives it to Tory friend, private company, Serco, but calls it NHS test and trace. People are not being contacted until it is too late.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Who runs the test and trace in Ireland?

It is crazy. The whole point of lockdown was to get test and trace working. Instead, our government gives it to Tory friend, private company, Serco, but calls it NHS test and trace. People are not being contacted until it is too late.

Its the HSA but not sure who its outsourced to for labour force.

 

[Berbaclass]

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[Berbaclass]

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[golden_blunder]

Yeah, there are problems with the process and the technology but ultimately the systems across all countries don't have enough people to deal with thousands of cases and hundreds of thousands of contacts per day. There's just not enough people for that now and the amount of people required to deal with that just isn't feasible. The system is supposed to work in situations like Korea's where cases are at >100 cases per day and things get pushed to the limit when they're at 500.

I said it at the very beginning - outsource to
Call centres, they are trained and can bang out thousands of calls a day. They have done other medical type work before so why not this? In ireland they have been training civil servants and taking them a few from each department, it’s nowhere near enough

 

[Stack]

It feels like the biggest problem with this virus is how to handle it rather than the actual infection. There are so many issues and problems to be solved just in the management side of things, coming up with a universal plan that suits everyone feels like a bridge too far at times. There are so many conflicting approaches and bits of advice and stats that it spins my head. What works in one area wont work in another area, what works for some people wont work for others, what works in one hospital may not work in another.
Currently watching world supply lines stretched to the limit and delays with goods being shipped or air freighted becoming more frequent. This feels like a 5 year war in some ways.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

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Balanced reporting.

 

[McGrathsipan]

I said it at the very beginning - outsource to
Call centres, they are trained and can bang out thousands of calls a day. They have done other medical type work before so why not this? In ireland they have been training civil servants and taking them a few from each department, it’s nowhere near enough

This.
I work for a state funded organisation.

Some of my team were taken for temp reassignment. But sent back a couple of weeks later.

 

[Tibs]

Has anyone ever called her Laura Kuntsberg?

 

[Pexbo]

At the end of May I interviewed for a job with the NHS, developing software for the Blood and Transplant Unit. The recruiter who contacted me about the job had placed a couple of others there and was close to one of the lead devs who told him they were ready to release something which they’d been working on since long before COVID but could really help in the fight. He said that as far as he knew, release had been delayed for a ”more convenient moment” which had been translated to him as “saved for when the government needs some good news”. I’ve no idea what it was or if it’s been released yet but if they really do delay stuff which could actively help save lives, for political wins, they’re even more psychopathic than I thought. And that’s saying something.

 

[Reiver]

At the end of May I interviewed for a job with the NHS, developing software for the Blood and Transplant Unit. The recruiter who contacted me about the job had placed a couple of others there and was close to one of the lead devs who told him they were ready to release something which they’d been working on since long before COVID but could really help in the fight. He said that as far as he knew, release had been delayed for a ”more convenient moment” which had been translated to him as “saved for when the government needs some good news”. I’ve no idea what it was or if it’s been released yet but if they really do delay stuff which could actively help save lives, for political wins, they’re even more psychopathic than I thought. And that’s saying something.

I can only hope this isn't true, not what you are saying, but what you were told. It can't be true can it? It would be a massive political win whenever it was used. What is a political win compared to thousands of lives? It would be mass murder.

 

[jeff_goldblum]

At the end of May I interviewed for a job with the NHS, developing software for the Blood and Transplant Unit. The recruiter who contacted me about the job had placed a couple of others there and was close to one of the lead devs who told him they were ready to release something which they’d been working on since long before COVID but could really help in the fight. He said that as far as he knew, release had been delayed for a ”more convenient moment” which had been translated to him as “saved for when the government needs some good news”. I’ve no idea what it was or if it’s been released yet but if they really do delay stuff which could actively help save lives, for political wins, they’re even more psychopathic than I thought. And that’s saying something.

I wouldn't be surprised. The entire project I'm on was shelved for months because it was politically sensitive and the government didn't want to risk it going badly before the election. With staff pay and compensation to suppliers that decision will have cost tens of millions at least, especially we've had to pick it up again during COVID. Staying in power is the most important thing to these people.

 

[golden_blunder]

This.
I work for a state funded organisation.

Some of my team were taken for temp reassignment. But sent back a couple of weeks later.

I know people who were trained up, ironically all in one big hall, but have never been used after. It’s a bit of a shambles really

 

[Stack]

Another pause in vaccine testing? https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-...13-20-intl/h_72e29fab0761c417b9948364bcc471da

 

[Wibble]

Facebook to ban anti-vax adverts

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ok-vaccine-ads-ban?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Dan_F]

Who runs the test and trace in Ireland?

It is crazy. The whole point of lockdown was to get test and trace working. Instead, our government gives it to Tory friend, private company, Serco, but calls it NHS test and trace. People are not being contacted until it is too late.

Serco doesn’t have anything to do with the app. Not blaming you, as it’s something I’ve read everywhere too.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Another pause in vaccine testing? https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-...13-20-intl/h_72e29fab0761c417b9948364bcc471da

Not a vaccine. That’s a treatment. Similar to what the orange maniac was injected with.

EDIT: Talking about the pause to the Eli Lily study. The J&J trial is a vaccine. Which makes two phase III vaccine trials paused so far. Not ideal but not necessarily a deal breaker.

 

[Redplane]

Dutch woman dies after catching Covid-19 twice, the first reported reinfection death

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/europe/covid-19-dutch-woman-reinfection-death-intl/index.html