Another knee jerk thread.
There’s a feeling of inevitability about Ole losing his job
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When supporters start making statements like this it's almost certain to happen.
It's not our job to solve this problem and find the "right guy".
That's on the board.
Sometimes the right guy is somebody noone has really thought about. Just look at Guardiola/Barca back in the day or Bayern/Flick right now.
I’m pro-Ole but getting vibes too. I don’t think he’ll be sacked though. He’ll be given another role at the club, maybe even DoF whilst MoPo comes in.
MoPo
is that a thing? Can it please not be.I doubt he'll get the chance to rectify another poor first half to the season. He had a stinker from March to the end of the season then the same from Aug to Jan. Another long streak like that again I think the board will have seen enough.
Also clubs around the top 4-8 have improved, we probably won't be able to rely on teams failing around us as much.
Also clubs around the top 4-8 have improved, we probably won't be able to rely on teams failing around us as much.
There have been some rumours suggesting Ole being given another role.
It was tongue in cheek but yes...fecking awful.MoPo
The summer was the absolute classic "perfect storm".
Captain embroiled in a mad saga abroad, other players having to isolate virus wise, disadvantage of having our season finish much later than most so we not only had a shortened pre-season, but look like we totally got it wrong too.
All mixed in with an utterly shambolic transfer window culminating in a last day supermarket sweep.
It'd be amazing if we had started strongly.
But how do you move on from a 6-1 utter humiliation at home? Fergie got over it as he had banked huge credit.
With Poch in the background, and us again most likely to need an incredible second half of the season again to salvage top 4, it might suit all parties to part ways.
Captain embroiled in a mad saga abroad, other players having to isolate virus wise, disadvantage of having our season finish much later than most so we not only had a shortened pre-season, but look like we totally got it wrong too.
All mixed in with an utterly shambolic transfer window culminating in a last day supermarket sweep.
It'd be amazing if we had started strongly.
But how do you move on from a 6-1 utter humiliation at home? Fergie got over it as he had banked huge credit.
With Poch in the background, and us again most likely to need an incredible second half of the season again to salvage top 4, it might suit all parties to part ways.
He’ll probably go but the club will still continue to go to shit
Not really. There just seems to be a lot of noise coming out recently, whether its bullshit or real, we dont know. But there's no smoke without fire, so somethings definitely cooking!!
Hahaha, if only it's that straightforward. The manager will get shit for it, the players will not, and the team will suffer. If you're using your two highest transferred players as examples (Pogba for the second time at least, first under Jose), then you risk having player/manager struggle. And you're not going to allow your highest paid player to sit in the reserves, they'll just sit on the bench but DDG was really never that bad.
Pogba shouldn't be starting, a lot of people know this and he should be coming off the bench in PL and starting the cup games. Maguire is club captain, whether you agree with it or not, and if you dump your club captain then you should be able to dump Rashford into the reserves too if we're trying to be objective...but we know there's a lot more involved than just placing players in the reserves if they're not performing.
There's always noise about United and when there's no actual sources quoted or it says "per club sources"....it's really just blown out of proportion.
But safe to say, unless you're Sir Alex Ferguson or Sir Matt Busby reincarnated, every Manchester United manager has immense pressure win, lose, or draw and there's always going to be an inevitable feeling of doubt or question mark until you seriously challenge for the title or win the title....until then, the seat will always be hot.
I don’t support this club to only win things mate. There’s more to it than that for me.
Sitting by watching Ed feck up every window, watching the owners stuff their pockets, sacking club legends like dogs and using them as scapegoats for their failings.
Not for me, not the club I grew up with. I’ve watched this club win every single trophy on offer, most multiple times, I won’t ignore the rotten core of the club for a poxy cup win.
We aren’t winning the league next season no matter who the manager is, because of the mess at board and ownership level and if you think we are somehow guaranteed to under Poch it’s laughable.
I'm with you there. Thing is, the club never looks very rotten when we're going on a winning streak or doing well. Only when we lose, go on poor runs, or sack managers does the club seem rotten.
So the club doing generally well does seem key for us to be happy supporters. So I still think that we needn't be that invested in personnel who are ultimately replaceable and haven't contributed to us doing well.
The way I see it, if a manager comes along and wins the league we'll love them for it. So besides club legend status, I don't see a reason to be too attached to the current personnel of management and playing staff.
You do know the reserves don’t exist anymore, don’t you?
Only half true. He will be sacked by Xmas only to become DOF with Poch being manager.
Hope he gets sacked mainly cause I’m sick of hearing fans complain about him. It wasn’t this bad under Mourinho.
Has 'knee-jerk' become the term of the month on Redcafe or something?
Why are people so against sacking a manager? Sacking and appointing managers is the only way to find the correct one. It is the 'United Way' not to sack managers is a myth, and, no, he is not taking the fall for the board. He hasn't been good enough to solidify his place, and the issues are arising again. This is the third time it has happened in three individual seasons.
Period 1: After PSG - Awful run.
Period 2: First half of last season - Awful Run
Period 3: Start of this season - Awful Run.
It is far from a kneejerk. He cannot sustain any good run for long before turning to absolute dross. Not just bad, but absolute dross.
The fact of the matter is: the majority of managerial appointments will be wrong. Yes, that includes Solskjaer. You cannot continue with managers that have no hope of turning it around, and that is the way it has to be. The club cannot be sentimental about sacking a manager or we will be stuck in a period of no success for a very long time. This could go on for five seasons we no sign of improvement. What is the point of that? It is a waste of everyone's time.
It does feel like 'sacky time' is here, and I am glad. It is a waste of time continuing with something that isn't working.
Why are people so against sacking a manager? Sacking and appointing managers is the only way to find the correct one. It is the 'United Way' not to sack managers is a myth, and, no, he is not taking the fall for the board. He hasn't been good enough to solidify his place, and the issues are arising again. This is the third time it has happened in three individual seasons.
Period 1: After PSG - Awful run.
Period 2: First half of last season - Awful Run
Period 3: Start of this season - Awful Run.
It is far from a kneejerk. He cannot sustain any good run for long before turning to absolute dross. Not just bad, but absolute dross.
The fact of the matter is: the majority of managerial appointments will be wrong. Yes, that includes Solskjaer. You cannot continue with managers that have no hope of turning it around, and that is the way it has to be. The club cannot be sentimental about sacking a manager or we will be stuck in a period of no success for a very long time. This could go on for five seasons we no sign of improvement. What is the point of that? It is a waste of everyone's time.
It does feel like 'sacky time' is here, and I am glad. It is a waste of time continuing with something that isn't working.
It's not like we enjoy complaining about him either. Every one of us would absolutely love him being a successful manager with us. Just doesn't look like it's happening.
Oh it was.
And it will be just as bad when the next scapegoat gets put in place and we don’t win the league.
It is knee jerk. It’s embarrassing
We haven't done well since SAF left. Winning 10 games in a row might temporarily get your hopes back up but that won't last long. We're constantly reminded the club is rotten at its core. Changing the manager won't change that. Especially when that manager is a club legend. That's only going to contribute to the anger towards the board. It's blatantly obvious that they're the ones fecking up the club. They're responsible for the state the club's in. Yeah, they'll probably sack Ole if/when the results go against him. They'll probably do something incredibly short sighted like appointing Poch. If we're lucky we'll have a decent new manager bounce. But it won't mean anything. It's just the cycle starting anew.
There’s only a feeling of inevitability as a certain section of the fan base create it. The situation is flamed by the media who will write any old rubbish to sell papers or gain clicks and at the moment Ole approaching the sack is likely the biggest garner of interest in a 4 week old season. The big difference between this season with ole and Jose’s last season Is that ole isn’t a complete dick like Jose was and ole will die for the cause which I think is something every fan should keep in mind when they slate him
Tough tough run coming up, how he comes out the other side of this is going to determine a lot. Wouldn’t be shocked Either way.
no. It’s the international break, and people have nothing to talk about.
look at how quickly the negativity around spurs at the start of the season quickly changed.
You'll be saying the football wasn't bad under LVG or Moyes next.
OleOUTers are firing their bile out of every orifice they can find. Flooding every platform and forum they are on with tweets and posts, giving off the illusion that they are a bigger force than they actually are. A very noisy minority shouting out the silent massive majority.
They are like crazed rabid hyena's or Serengeti wild dogs, yapping at every ankle they come across, in the hope they will get a drop of fresh blood to satiate their vicious desires.
Solskjær would never stay in Manchester/England if he lost his job, he’d go straight back to his hometown where his family wants to be. He doesn’t need the money and he would rather be a manager at Molde, if they’d take him back.
Hideous, but better than our own Hendo.....MoPo
Of course it's inevitable, whether your Ole out or In. Ti's a shame .
Then again crazier stuff has happened in football before and he may end up winning the league for us this year.
IMO it was the boards solution to not want to hire a DOF and get Ole to do that role along with coaching/managing the side.
Then again crazier stuff has happened in football before and he may end up winning the league for us this year.
What was knee jerk was hiring him straight after the win over PSG, a good run shouldn't haven't automatically guarantee a managerial position.
IMO it was the boards solution to not want to hire a DOF and get Ole to do that role along with coaching/managing the side.
I don’t slate him. Love the guy, but deep down every honest Utd fan knows that he will never get us challenging for top honours. He simply isn’t good enough, regardless of romantic notions. Just move him on and try the next guy. Bayern / Real / Barca / Chelsea etc do it and it barely harms their success.
Completely agree with the second part about hiring him but that shouldn’t be the debate now because it’s done.
Bottom line is that he had a good season last season irrelevant of if you’re comparing him to Moyes or Pep!
He achieved CL football, which we all wanted at the start of the season and that is enough, for me at least, to be given time, and that includes more than 3 games, to move on.
I don’t think he’ll take us that next step unfortunately, but I think he’s earned the right to attempt.
Teams, especially young teams who are going through changes, have runs of form. United don't have established and mature players in their attacking line who have played their current positions consistently year in year out. Bruno only came into the league this past year, so he hasn't even had 30 PL games under his belt. So either form is temporary and class is permanent or form is permanent and class is temporary...you gotta choose one.
Form comes and goes, but you can still get results while in suboptimal form. United are 1-0-2 with 3 points in the PL. Overall, the performances have mostly been poor, but still 1 point off City and a game in hand. Also, still early doors.
But United have won two cup games in between the 3 league matches, for what it's worth.
What's not working is getting in quality players year in and year out, in addition to getting players out of the club every year and building momentum from one year to the next and one transfer window to the next. They all compliment each other, or at least they're supposed to. But when you're signing players who aren't even of requisite title winning quality or you don't give them the proper time and base to build to that level, then it doesn't matter what manager you have.
You can bring in Nagelsmann tomorrow, but he'll still need better players or players that specifically suit his style of play sooner rather than later. And if he's asking for a Toyota, but you deliver him a Kia or he's asking for a Volvo and you deliver him a Ford....you cannot ask yourself why he isn't doing better with immediate effect.
But let's see what happens next and let's see the players try to get some form. Regardless of who the manager is, the club have to transition away from DDG, get a competent backup to Henderson, figure out what they're doing with Pogba and then Matic in another year, and deal with the contracts of Lingard, Mata, Rojo, Jones, and Cavani.
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100% agree with this, he's earned that right.
The only worry is now is his signings are starting to look bad, especially the money used on the defence and yet we have looked real suspect. It's a major concern that needs fixing asap, otherwise it won't look good on Ole. If he doesn't sort it, our season will end real soon and it'll look like a sack will just end up being early.
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It’s a concern but nothing else for me at the moment
We had the third best defence in the league last season and one of the highest number of clean sheets in the whole of Europe. That doesn’t just evaporate in a few weeks between seasons.
Will he turn it around?? Who knows. Nobody can predict the future but our fan base is the worst in the league at times like this. The absolute pits at times.
no one will take us to the top honours with the way the club is run and the shit show of recruitment.
The sooner, the better.
If he can keep us in the top 4 until Nagelsman is ready to move in a year perhaps, I’d prefer that.
This.