When supporters start making statements like this it's almost certain to happen.You should also start the thread, "There is a feeling of inevitability about Poch losing his job", now.
Ole won't be sacked anytime soon.
It's not our job to solve this problem and find the "right guy".Who else we have on the list we can "Sort this mess / Control egos / Bring in right players / Implement right coaching methods and finally Play right system ?
MoPo is that a thing? Can it please not be.I’m pro-Ole but getting vibes too. I don’t think he’ll be sacked though. He’ll be given another role at the club, maybe even DoF whilst MoPo comes in.
There have been some rumours suggesting Ole being given another role.I’m pro-Ole but getting vibes too. I don’t think he’ll be sacked though. He’ll be given another role at the club, maybe even DoF whilst MoPo comes in.
It was tongue in cheek but yes...fecking awful.MoPo is that a thing? Can it please not be.
Not really. There just seems to be a lot of noise coming out recently, whether its bullshit or real, we dont know. But there's no smoke without fire, so somethings definitely cooking!!Another knee jerk thread.
Hahaha, if only it's that straightforward. The manager will get shit for it, the players will not, and the team will suffer. If you're using your two highest transferred players as examples (Pogba for the second time at least, first under Jose), then you risk having player/manager struggle. And you're not going to allow your highest paid player to sit in the reserves, they'll just sit on the bench but DDG was really never that bad.Thats what the reserves are for, Pogba and Slabhead, for an example should be playing in the reserves until they can get their shot together, like De Gea should have been repeatedly for the last 18 months,
There's always noise about United and when there's no actual sources quoted or it says "per club sources"....it's really just blown out of proportion.Not really. There just seems to be a lot of noise coming out recently, whether its bullshit or real, we dont know. But there's no smoke without fire, so somethings definitely cooking!!
I don’t support this club to only win things mate. There’s more to it than that for me.Don't fret too much. Trust me you'll love the next manager who wins the league with us, so not that much use investing emotionally in players/ managers who haven't done so yet.
I'm with you there. Thing is, the club never looks very rotten when we're going on a winning streak or doing well. Only when we lose, go on poor runs, or sack managers does the club seem rotten.I don’t support this club to only win things mate. There’s more to it than that for me.
Sitting by watching Ed feck up every window, watching the owners stuff their pockets, sacking club legends like dogs and using them as scapegoats for their failings.
Not for me, not the club I grew up with. I’ve watched this club win every single trophy on offer, most multiple times, I won’t ignore the rotten core of the club for a poxy cup win. We aren’t winning the league and if you think we are somehow guaranteed to under Poch it’s laughable.
You do know the reserves don’t exist anymore, don’t you?Thats what the reserves are for, Pogba and Slabhead, for an example should be playing in the reserves until they can get their shot together, like De Gea should have been repeatedly for the last 18 months,
It's not like we enjoy complaining about him either. Every one of us would absolutely love him being a successful manager with us. Just doesn't look like it's happening.Hope he gets sacked mainly cause I’m sick of hearing fans complain about him. It wasn’t this bad under Mourinho.
Oh it was.Hope he gets sacked mainly cause I’m sick of hearing fans complain about him. It wasn’t this bad under Mourinho.
It is knee jerk. It’s embarrassingHas 'knee-jerk' become the term of the month on Redcafe or something?
Why are people so against sacking a manager? Sacking and appointing managers is the only way to find the correct one. It is the 'United Way' not to sack managers is a myth, and, no, he is not taking the fall for the board. He hasn't been good enough to solidify his place, and the issues are arising again. This is the third time it has happened in three individual seasons.
Period 1: After PSG - Awful run.
Period 2: First half of last season - Awful Run
Period 3: Start of this season - Awful Run.
It is far from a kneejerk. He cannot sustain any good run for long before turning to absolute dross. Not just bad, but absolute dross.
The fact of the matter is: the majority of managerial appointments will be wrong. Yes, that includes Solskjaer. You cannot continue with managers that have no hope of turning it around, and that is the way it has to be. The club cannot be sentimental about sacking a manager or we will be stuck in a period of no success for a very long time. This could go on for five seasons we no sign of improvement. What is the point of that? It is a waste of everyone's time.
It does feel like it 'sacking time' is here, and I am glad. It is a waste of time continuing with something that isn't working.
We haven't done well since SAF left. Winning 10 games in a row might temporarily get your hopes back up but that won't last long. We're constantly reminded the club is rotten at its core. Changing the manager won't change that. Especially when that manager is a club legend. That's only going to contribute to the anger towards the board. It's blatantly obvious that they're the ones fecking up the club. They're responsible for the state the club's in. Yeah, they'll probably sack Ole if/when the results go against him. They'll probably do something incredibly short sighted like appointing Poch. If we're lucky we'll have a decent new manager bounce. But it won't mean anything. It's just the cycle starting anew.I'm with you there. Thing is, the club never looks very rotten when we're going on a winning streak or doing well. Only when we lose, go on poor runs, or sack managers does the club seem rotten.
So the club doing generally well does seem key for us to be happy supporters. So I still think that we needn't be that invested in personnel who are ultimately replaceable and haven't contributed to us doing well.
The way I see it, if a manager comes along and wins the league we'll love them for it. So besides club legend status, I don't see a reason to be too attached to the current personnel of management and playing staff.
no. It’s the international break, and people have nothing to talk about.Anyone else getting this? I feel like he’s doomed this season, I felt eerily similar during the summer of 2018 with Jose. It just feels like the players, the board, the media & even a large section of the fans have given up on him. We saw something identical with Jose, he got us a good league finish, didn’t get the players he wanted, sacked by Christmas. This whole pre season & subsequent start has dejavu written all over it.
You'll be saying the football wasn't bad under LVG or Moyes next.Hope he gets sacked mainly cause I’m sick of hearing fans complain about him. It wasn’t this bad under Mourinho.
OleOUTers are firing their bile out of every orifice they can find. Flooding every platform and forum they are on with tweets and posts, giving off the illusion that they are a bigger force than they actually are. A very noisy minority shouting out the silent massive majority.It is knee jerk. It’s embarrassing
Hideous, but better than our own Hendo.....MoPo is that a thing? Can it please not be.
What was knee jerk was hiring him straight after the win over PSG, a good run shouldn't haven't automatically guarantee a managerial position.It is knee jerk. It’s embarrassing
I don’t slate him. Love the guy, but deep down every honest Utd fan knows that he will never get us challenging for top honours. He simply isn’t good enough, regardless of romantic notions. Just move him on and try the next guy. Bayern / Real / Barca / Chelsea etc do it and it barely harms their success.There’s only a feeling of inevitability as a certain section of the fan base create it. The situation is flamed by the media who will write any old rubbish to sell papers or gain clicks and at the moment Ole approaching the sack is likely the biggest garner of interest in a 4 week old season. The big difference between this season with ole and Jose’s last season Is that ole isn’t a complete dick like Jose was and ole will die for the cause which I think is something every fan should keep in mind when they slate him
Completely agree with the second part about hiring him but that shouldn’t be the debate now because it’s done.Of course it's inevitable, whether your Ole out or In. Ti's a shame .
Then again crazier stuff has happened in football before and he may end up winning the league for us this year.
What was knee jerk was hiring him straight after the win over PSG, a good run shouldn't haven't automatically guarantee a managerial position.
IMO it was the boards solution to not want to hire a DOF and get Ole to do that role along with coaching/managing the side.
Teams, especially young teams who are going through changes, have runs of form. United don't have established and mature players in their attacking line who have played their current positions consistently year in year out. Bruno only came into the league this past year, so he hasn't even had 30 PL games under his belt. So either form is temporary and class is permanent or form is permanent and class is temporary...you gotta choose one.Has 'knee-jerk' become the term of the month on Redcafe or something?
Why are people so against sacking a manager? Sacking and appointing managers is the only way to find the correct one. It is the 'United Way' not to sack managers is a myth, and, no, he is not taking the fall for the board. He hasn't been good enough to solidify his place, and the issues are arising again. This is the third time it has happened in three individual seasons.
Period 1: After PSG - Awful run.
Period 2: First half of last season - Awful Run
Period 3: Start of this season - Awful Run.
It is far from a kneejerk. He cannot sustain any good run for long before turning to absolute dross. Not just bad, but absolute dross.
The fact of the matter is: the majority of managerial appointments will be wrong. Yes, that includes Solskjaer. You cannot continue with managers that have no hope of turning it around, and that is the way it has to be. The club cannot be sentimental about sacking a manager or we will be stuck in a period of no success for a very long time. This could go on for five seasons we no sign of improvement. What is the point of that? It is a waste of everyone's time.
It does feel like 'sacky time' is here, and I am glad. It is a waste of time continuing with something that isn't working.
100% agree with this, he's earned that right.Completely agree with the second part about hiring him but that shouldn’t be the debate now because it’s done.
Bottom line is that he had a good season last season irrelevant of if you’re comparing him to Moyes or Pep!
He achieved CL football, which we all wanted at the start of the season and that is enough, for me at least, to be given time, and that includes more than 3 games, to move on.
I don’t think he’ll take us that next step unfortunately, but I think he’s earned the right to attempt.
It’s a concern but nothing else for me at the moment100% agree with this, he's earned that right.
The only worry is now is his signings are starting to look bad, especially the money used on the defence and yet we have looked real suspect. It's a major concern that needs fixing asap, otherwise it won't look good on Ole. If he doesn't sort it our season will end real soon and it'll look like a sack will just end up being early.
no one will take us to the top honours with the way the club is run and the shit show of recruitment.I don’t slate him. Love the guy, but deep down every honest Utd fan knows that he will never get us challenging for top honours. He simply isn’t good enough, regardless of romantic notions. Just move him on and try the next guy. Bayern / Real / Barca / Chelsea etc do it and it barely harms their success.
This.Teams, especially young teams who are going through changes, have runs of form. United don't have established and mature players in their attacking line who have played their current positions consistently year in year out. Bruno only came into the league this past year, so he hasn't even had 30 PL games under his belt. So either form is temporary and class is permanent or form is permanent and class is temporary...you gotta choose one.
Form comes and goes, but you can still get results while in suboptimal form. United are 1-0-2 with 3 points in the PL. Overall, the performances have mostly been poor, but still 1 point off City and a game in hand. Also, still early doors.
But United have won two cup games in between the 3 league matches, for what it's worth.
What's not working is getting in quality players year in and year out, in addition to getting players out of the club every year and building momentum from one year to the next and one transfer window to the next. They all compliment each other, or at least they're supposed to. But when you're signing players who aren't even of requisite title winning quality or you don't give them the proper time and base to build to that level, then it doesn't matter what manager you have.
You can bring in Nagelsmann tomorrow, but he'll still need better players or players that specifically suit his style of play sooner rather than later. And if he's asking for a Toyota, but you deliver him a Kia or he's asking for a Volvo and you deliver him a Ford....you cannot ask yourself why he isn't doing better with immediate effect.
But let's see what happens next and let's see the players try to get some form. Regardless of who the manager is, the club have to transition away from DDG, get a competent backup to Henderson, figure out what they're doing with Pogba and then Matic in another year, and deal with the contracts of Lingard, Mata, Rojo, Jones, and Cavani.