VidaRed
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He's said the same thing for years in fairness, he said it about Jose as well I think. He was asked about the manager being unable to motivate the players and said stuff like that is bollocks, they should be able to motivate themselves. Whilst people may not agree with his view I don't think he's doing it only cos Ole is his ex teammate cos he did the same with Jose. He obviously sees the key problem being the players and he has a point considering most of them have out lasted 2, 3 or 4 managers at the club now.That's depressing.
Makes you think whether you even should take such opinions seriously.
He's not really that kind of pundit to be fair though he's there to do what he does. Carragher/Neville etc analyise the games tactically people like Keane (and Souness to an extent although he does both) are there to do this kind of stuff and it gets viewers. I bet if you look at their football YouTube the Keane videos are probably some of the most watched.I like Keane but It’s not really analysis is it? Every time we lose a game it’s the same old “the players don’t care, no leaders, poor body language” etc...I don’t buy into it with this team.
The biggest problem yesterday was a ridiculous formation that hasn’t worked for any team ever and that t**t Pogba. It’s got nothing to do with effort.
Keane basically saying that Ole will lose his job because of his useless players. Of course the players have a responsibility, but yesterday didn’t look like a tactical masterpiece, did it?
I’m very much pro-Ole but he got it wrong yesterday. That ridiculous diamond idea is the kind of stuff kids do on Champ Manager to get all their favourite players into the team, I can’t think of one side who have had any success playing a diamondKeane basically saying that Ole will lose his job because of his useless players. Of course the players have a responsibility, but yesterday didn’t look like a tactical masterpiece, did it?
It worked against Leipzig to be fair, and furthermore, it's less about fitting his favourite players into his team, more so about shoehorning Pogba into one because dropping him for a prolonged spell would cause a furoreI’m very much pro-Ole but he got it wrong yesterday. That ridiculous diamond idea is the kind of stuff kids do on Champ Manager to get all their favourite players into the team, I can’t think of one side who have had any success playing a diamond
We need to go to 3-5-2.I’m very much pro-Ole but he got it wrong yesterday. That ridiculous diamond idea is the kind of stuff kids do on Champ Manager to get all their favourite players into the team, I can’t think of one side who have had any success playing a diamond
Agree. I support Ole but it was a tactial disasterclass from start to finish.Keane basically saying that Ole will lose his job because of his useless players. Of course the players have a responsibility, but yesterday didn’t look like a tactical masterpiece, did it?
Funny ever since Bruno did that to Lindelof during the Sevilla game Lindelof been much better..Keane is spot on.
There aren't any in this squad who'll go up to a player and tell him how shit he's played and to get his act together. No arguments in the dressing room. It's all navel gazing
This is my opinion as well. Yesterday, the players didn’t perform at their best, but they didn’t really have a big chance either because of the formation and tactics.I’m very much pro-Ole but he got it wrong yesterday. That ridiculous diamond idea is the kind of stuff kids do on Champ Manager to get all their favourite players into the team, I can’t think of one side who have had any success playing a diamond
No it didn't and they have pundits who will say that as well and Keane doesn't shout up disagreeing, it seems like he just doesn't want to complete feck his mate over which whilst it may be some kind of conflict of interest (hardly a major one) it is fair enough and perfectly understandable. He has also said it's the players since Jose's days in charge who I don't think Keane has any real relationship with so it's obvious he does think it's the players and not the manager.Keane basically saying that Ole will lose his job because of his useless players. Of course the players have a responsibility, but yesterday didn’t look like a tactical masterpiece, did it?
It was really a tactical disasterclass. I’ve been pretty pro Ole but starting to think he has reached his ceiling with last seasons result. I mean, it must be either the tactics/training/coaching, or the players. And we see when Ole get the tactics right, the players are very talented. Does that mean Ole sometimes manage to lift the players to high level because of tactics, or does it mean he blocks their potential in games where he doesn’t get the tactics right? I’m leaning towards the latter. Yesterday was definitely a game where they didn’t really have much of a chance.Agree. I support Ole but it was a tactial disasterclass from start to finish.
Its fine to dislike United’s players, most people in England do. It’s just strange that he explicitly said that Ole doesn’t have a chance with these players, in this very match where the tactics obviously were so bad.No it didn't and they have pundits who will say that as well and Keane doesn't shout up disagreeing, it seems like he just doesn't want to complete feck his mate over which whilst it may be some kind of conflict of interest (hardly a major one) it is fair enough and perfectly understandable. He has also said it's the players since Jose's days in charge who I don't think Keane has any real relationship with so it's obvious he does think it's the players and not the manager.
I don't know why people are seemingly so desperate for him to come out all guns blazing at Ole really.
I don't think that Ole or our coaches have the Motivation or Tactical nous to win any trophies here. 3 Semi finals last season and nowt.He's right about Ole needing top 4 to stay in the job. Regardless of our horrendous board, we have to make top 4 a minimum to see any kind of progress from last year.
It literally just worked a week ago against one of the best teams in Europe...I’m very much pro-Ole but he got it wrong yesterday. That ridiculous diamond idea is the kind of stuff kids do on Champ Manager to get all their favourite players into the team, I can’t think of one side who have had any success playing a diamond
AC Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, and Toronto FC just off the top of my head.I’m very much pro-Ole but he got it wrong yesterday. That ridiculous diamond idea is the kind of stuff kids do on Champ Manager to get all their favourite players into the team, I can’t think of one side who have had any success playing a diamond
Not to mention Real Madrid won 2 CL titles in a row very recently with a midfield of Casemiro - Modric - Kroos - Isco.AC Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, and Toronto FC just off the top of my head.
But I guess Mourinho, Ancelotti, and Conte are just kids who play Champ manager.
As opposed to on here where the players get the plaudits when we do well and Ole gets all the blame when it goes bad.Too many ex players like Roy laud the manager when it goes well and slate the players when it goes bad.
Managers are responsible for getting consistent performances after 2 years in the job, if you can’t manage it, you’re simply a manager of a top players, rather than a top manager.
Ageeed, but my point is that he has been consistent with this, he hasn't just started saying it with Ole, he said it under Jose as well so I don't get the "he's just defending his mate" stuff cos I don't think him and Jose are mates. I'm not disagreeing regarding Ole, that's another topic all together just that Keane clearly thinks the players are the issue and has said it for about 3-4 years now.Its fine to dislike United’s players, most people in England do. It’s just strange that he explicitly said that Ole doesn’t have a chance with these players, in this very match where the tactics obviously were so bad.
I swear I heard him say something like "Ole's a decent bloke but United can't keep playing like this or he's in trouble"?Not calling out Ole. But calling out the players.
I’m not convinced it did work. Leipzig had more territory/possession for most of the game and it was only when they started taking big risks that we got the 2nd, then the result flattered us.It literally just worked a week ago against one of the best teams in Europe...
It was shite all-round yesterday. Having slept on it I think it's fair to apportion the blame probably 70% manager 30% players. There's no doubt the players lacked intensity, quality and leadership and Keane is right, they shouldn't need teeing up for Arsenal at home.
Toronto? Let’s disregard that straight away.AC Milan, Chelsea, Juventus, and Toronto FC just off the top of my head.
But I guess Mourinho, Ancelotti, and Conte are just kids who play Champ manager.
They weren't major aggressors and neither were Arsenal. To be that you have to get lots of shots on target, you have to do more than win the passing.I’m not convinced it did work. Leipzig had more territory/possession for most of the game and it was only when they started taking big risks that we got the 2nd, then the result flattered us.
I’ll take any 5-0 at the moment with this team, don’t get me wrong. But I’m not willing to accept something “worked” when the away side were the major aggressors at OT for most of the game
Doesn’t fit my ignorance so let’s disregard it. They were successful playing a diamond.Toronto? Let’s disregard that straight away.
I’m not expert on AC Milan but when did Juve or Chelsea play a diamond? Chelsea have never played a diamond regularly to my knowledge?
In fact, thinking about it, Conte famously changed to a 5-3-2 and won the league at Chelsea after they got battered playing a different formation three games running at the start of the season.
Yeah, Madrid used it too. I think it was Kroos, Modric, Casemiro, Isco.Doesn’t fit my ignorance so let’s disregard it. They were successful playing a diamond.
“To your knowledge” seems fairly limited so that doesn’t hold much weight. Chelsea used it both under Mourinho and Ancelotti.
Educate yourself.
https://insidefutbol.com/2009/09/15/tactical-analysis-chelseas-diamond-formation/10179/
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2009/aug/19/deco-chelsea-diamond-formation
As @youngrell says, Madrid have also used it.
start of the season he said the honeymoon period is overI swear I heard him say something like "Ole's a decent bloke but United can't keep playing like this or he's in trouble"?
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He is being a prick but Arsenal are getting much more praise than that performance deserved. United were fecking dreadful but Arsenal still needed a gift from Pogba to win the game.Keane being a massive prick here. Cahill brought up some good points Keane just didn't want to hear it.
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