What is the problem? He touched the ball first, it’s a clear tackle. If he touched the leg after he touched the ball doesn’t matterGreat challenge? The feck are you lot on about.
Like Pickford on VVD.Okay, a great challenge, but what if there's a red card foul?
As @Rado_N pointed out, touching the ball does not mean a great tackle, especially if you munch someone after.What is the problem? He touched the ball first, it’s a clear tackle. If he touched the leg after he touched the ball doesn’t matter
Not commenting on the individual challenge that this thread is referring to, but you’re absolutely right. It can be seen in this thread where they believe getting the ball first means no matter what follows it can’t be a red. Pundits in general have an awful grasp of the rules of the games (which can admittedly be opaque).Over the years, pundits repeating over and over that any challenge on the ball is never a foul has basically brainwashed viewers. I have never seen it as a rule written that if a player gets the ball first then whatever happens afterwards between the playes is basically ok.
Maguire got very very lucky
Why do you care so much?As @Rado_N pointed out, touching the ball does not mean a great tackle, especially if you munch someone after.
I really don’t understand where this myth comes from.As @Rado_N pointed out, touching the ball does not mean a great tackle, especially if you munch someone after.
Guessing as an Everton fan, he would?Why do you care so much?
I thought a discussion forum was to respond and discuss. Sorry mate, won’t bother in future.Why do you care so much?
I know. It's only a setup for what follows.Guessing as an Everton fan, he would?
You've answered your own question. Loads of people don't know the rules (plus there's this increasing tendency to look for the negative in all we do by some).I really don’t understand where this myth comes from.
I mean I’m not necessarily saying this one WAS excessive force, but I don’t think it’s clearly not and I certainly don’t think it was a “great challenge”.
People just saying “he got the ball, case closed” seemingly don’t know the rules.
That ship sailed a while ago?I thought a discussion forum was to respond and discuss. Sorry mate, won’t bother in future.
Spot on, as look at the first half and calvert lewin goes down without being touched, then that tosser james does it, fast forward to second half and Bruno does it and the tosser james goes ape and starts dragging Bruno up by the shirt, bollox, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.Everton have been playing like thugs for weeks and start whinging as soon as it gets given back to them. That challenge never happens if Pickford and Keane don't clatter Maguire.
He certainly let Bruno off cheaply or doesn't that count?I was fuming for the rest of the match over that. Michael Oliver in "making another ridiculous call against United" shocker.
People trying to make every slide tackle into some sort of violent assault.I swear this is almost too dumbfounding for me. I mean, how can you call that anything but a great great tackle?
Of course it can still be a foul or red card even if the tackler gets the ball first. I've made that argument myself numerous times in the past where a blatantly dangerous tackle should be punished even though they did win the ball.Over the years, pundits repeating over and over that any challenge on the ball is never a foul has basically brainwashed viewers. I have never seen it as a rule written that if a player gets the ball first then whatever happens afterwards between the playes is basically ok.
Maguire got very very lucky
I don't agree with it but it doesn't matter anywayOf course it can still be a foul or red card even if the tackler gets the ball first. I've made that argument myself numerous times in the past where a blatantly dangerous tackle should be punished even though they did win the ball.
This tackle isn't one of them. Nothing wrong with it.
Factually very wrong, but don’t let science, rules etc get in the way of your feelings.What is the problem? He touched the ball first, it’s a clear tackle. If he touched the leg after he touched the ball doesn’t matter
He didn't just touch the ball did he? He got enough of the ball to completely change the direction of the ball in a 50-50 challenge and then made strong contact with the strikers foot.As @Rado_N pointed out, touching the ball does not mean a great tackle, especially if you munch someone after.
Bitter Everton fan of course!!Why do you care so much?
Case 1: He didn't get the ball and brought down Digne. He didn't raise his leg. Clear penalty if not offside. Because he had obstructed the movement of a player within the penalty area which could lead to a goal. Where the ball would probably ended up within the possession of Digne if he had not brought down Digne. With probably a yellow.If it was a red card challenge then it would have been given even if offside, but it probably wasn't a red card challenge.
It would have been a pretty clear penalty with no offside, or at minimum not a wrong decision if it was given, but thankfully that wasn't a relevant factor. I'm pretty dumbfounded over all the talk about "getting the ball". If he didn't get the ball then it would obviously have been a foul, but getting the ball is not enough to make the tackle legitimate. He forcefully takes out Digne, which is dodgy at the best of times, but more importantly he didn't take him out as a consequence of getting the ball. He marginally touches the ball with the right side of his boot when his foot is moving away from the ball and towards Digne. When he takes him out the ball is like a yard away, it's a bad tackle.
I don't believe taking the player out was at the forefront of his mind when making that challenge. Maguire is not the vindictive type from the what I've seen of him.As @Rado_N pointed out, touching the ball does not mean a great tackle, especially if you munch someone after.
Unless you're an Everton Keeper, you can be given a Red card or booking.Do we actually know what should happen when the flag is up too late and there's a red card foul?
Looks like it doesn't count and we understand that the player, who unfortunately gets injured, has simply a bad luck, right?
Touching the ball with a low leg does not make it not a foul. You have to know this.Case 1: He didn't get the ball and brought down Digne. He didn't raise his leg. Clear penalty if not offside. Because he had obstructed the movement of a player within the penalty area which could lead to a goal. Where the ball would probably ended up within the possession of Digne if he had not brought down Digne. With probably a yellow.
Case 2: He got the ball but brought down Digne. His leg was high. Probably a red card because that's a tackle that would seriously injure opponent player. At least a yellow. No penalty as he was penalized for the behaviour only. The ball was in possession of Maguire.
Case 3: He got the ball, his leg was low. Offside or not it's never a penalty or a card.
In that case sliding tackle should has been banned from the game long ago.Touching the ball with a low leg does not make it not a foul. You have to know this.
No, in a lot of instances touching the ball with your leg low will not be a foul. In some instances it will be. It's not a very complicated concept.In that case sliding tackle should has been banned from the game long ago.