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Yes, because he needs an opening argument for those Court appearances.

I can't believe how far Giuliani has fallen, considering he was an admired leader immediately after 9/11.
I think Giuliana is one if those guys who should consider himself very lucky that the media and especially social media wasnt as intense or even around when he was there. He was never the great leader he seems to be remembered as if you take 9/11 out of the equation and even with it - there are plenty of stories surrounding that that should make anyone raise some serious doubts about his legacy.
 

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"Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black." and telling someone they should vote for Trump for daring to criticize the (definitely not racist) Obama-era deportations were both during this election, right?

If he's changed it's certainly subtle, I give you that.
You won’t find me vouching for the sensibilities of Sleepy Joe.

It’s not really complicated. One guy gladly called neo Nazis ‘very fine people’ and emboldened Proud Boys. The other is a milquetoast conservative who followed the norms of the era he was born in, who now we have to fight to get him to conform with the time we now live in, just like how LBJ was racist, but still did a great good for Af-Am.

You can certainly make the case that Biden voters overlooked his problematic views on race (unless you believe Joe Biden thinks minorities are inferior people to him and is the dictionary definition of a racist) in the hope of combating racism (which ranges from contradictory to delusional), but that still doesn’t square them with the Republican voters who willingly forego Trump’s very public and unabashed promotion of fascistic ethnonationalism.
 

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Not really. Massively oversimplification.

Hypothetical...

If one party had me believe my tax would go up, my current civil liberties would be infringed upon, my business is at risk of temporary closure, and that unchecked immigration would see the environment I know and loved, changed forever.... I’d probably be able to ignore the racism.

Key line there is ‘Had me believe’. I could absolutely rationalise voting for someone racist if it protected my personal situation.


All of us have these kind of internal battles.

I’ve travelled extensively around America (but nothing like enough). 40-50 year old Republican Conservatives just remind me of my 85 year old grandfather (would have been 94 now). Heck, my father had some terrible views just 20 years ago.

Reducing America’s problems to sentence on a sandwich board... is evidence of the cause of those problems.
This is the very merit of the point I'm making though and you have just proven it correct. In your hypothetical you have listened to what one candidate has said might happened to you, and because of the impact on you, you would hypothetically forgive his treatment of others.

This is the issue with all voters at present, individualism, "I don't care what happens to others as it doesn't impact me directly" and this is the mindset that has to change for there to be any real social change regarding issues against minorities. Every single voter who voted for Trump made a judgment call - do his negatives including his racism, outweigh the apparent benefits that he suggests will happen if they vote for him and decided that yes, the benefit to them was worth the racism, hence that placard suggesting that racism wasn't a deal-breaker.
 

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If this country split in 2 based on political leanings I do believe my Trump loving brothers and sisters would come in for a shock. I think (so please don't take this as 100% fact) I read that somewhere in the range of 70+% of the USA's GDP comes from blue states. Most red states (maybe not Texas??) are net takers from the federal government (i.e. they receive more in funding then they pay in). This fact always makes me chuckle when I see conservatives rail about socialism and wealth redistribution.
That is a solid fact. The crazy thing is a big injection of democratic socialism and immigration would help these states improve dramatically. They would have a lot to offer this nation as a whole if they didn't wallow in fear and misery. Texas and Georgia should be the beacon going forward. A diverse population next to people who don't have to worry about ridiculous employer funded health care would help a lot. This country is a fecking joke and the stupidity from the masses totally covers over the decent parts.
 

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Guiliani’s brain is essentially porridge at this point.
 

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If this country split in 2 based on political leanings I do believe my Trump loving brothers and sisters would come in for a shock. I think (so please don't take this as 100% fact) I read that somewhere in the range of 70+% of the USA's GDP comes from blue states. Most red states (maybe not Texas??) are net takers from the federal government (i.e. they receive more in funding then they pay in). This fact always makes me chuckle when I see conservatives rail about socialism and wealth redistribution.
Im not picking a fight with anyone.

But it’s clear as day that throwing 300m people onto a huge land mass is going to see pockets of different ideas flourish.

I’m as liberal as they come. I’m not advocating Right wing politics. But I can understand Republican voters.

Your point speaks to mine. If states or block-regions had to live and die on their own benefits and weaknesses they’d be forced to assimilate principles and change aspects of their psyche.
 

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Im not picking a fight with anyone.

But it’s clear as day that throwing 300m people onto a huge land mass is going to see pockets of different ideas flourish.

I’m as liberal as they come. I’m not advocating Right wing politics. But I can understand Republican voters.

Your point speaks to mine. If states or block-regions had to live and die on their own benefits and weaknesses they’d be forced to assimilate principles and change aspects of their psyche.
I spent 20 years in the reddest of red states (Alabama) and 100% believe they are not a lost cause. The conservative voters out there are so freaking brainwashed, and it is being done by their local politicians to keep them in check. I am not saying that there are not racist/sexist assholes there, there are, just as the is in other red and blue states. However, there are a lot more good people who just want to live a good life but are hurting right now. The sinister part is that their local politicians, just like Trump, do not spread a message of "I see your pain, lets try and fix it". Instead they spread the message of "I see your pain and its <insert "Other" group> fault". From Fox News to ESPECIALLY local talk radio, that is the continuous message. The only way this is going to be fixed is by somehow, and I don't have any idea how, removing the lies and sinister ideals from our society.
 

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Tweet me your guess?! :lol:
OK Rudy, my guess is that Republicans concerned were excluded because either (a) they had no proper credentials; or (b) were harassing/abusing the vote counting staff.

So, off you go and prove my guess in court as promised.Thanks.
 

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That is a solid fact. The crazy thing is a big injection of democratic socialism and immigration would help these states improve dramatically. They would have a lot to offer this nation as a whole if they didn't wallow in fear and misery. Texas and Georgia should be the beacon going forward. A diverse population next to people who don't have to worry about ridiculous employer funded health care would help a lot. This country is a fecking joke and the stupidity from the masses totally covers over the decent parts.
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OK Rudy, my guess is that Republicans concerned were excluded because either (a) they had no proper credentials; or (b) were harassing/abusing the vote counting staff.

So, off you go and prove my guess in court as promised.Thanks.
The awesome thing is that there were Republican Observers there. It led to one of the greatest dodges in court history. When the PA judge asked the Trump lawyers if there were already observers in the building he responded with "there is a non-zero number". :lol:
 

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Kushner's no doubt worried that this whole thing will derail Ivankas plans for 2024.

I can just picture the conversation...

Kusher: Sir, I realise this is painful for you, but maybe now would be a good time to start thinking about Ivanka?

Trump: I don't know Jared, maybe you're right, maybe jerking off would make me feel a bit better. Its certainly worth a shot.
 

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Don't be so certain about that. Trump managed to massively increase his number of votes this election, and it took a record breaking figure for Biden to defeat him.

If Trumpism and his fanbase holds, they will turnout similarly in 2024. It's hard to see Biden managing the same again. That's not a slight on him or what I think he'll be like as president, it's just the norm that a sitting president's votes diminish in their second race. Amongst other ways, this is where Trump was - and will continue to be - the anomaly.

What could stop him though is a huge tax bill/twitter bans/not being able to raise sufficient campaign funding. I'd wager that all these are pretty likely, him not being able to win a presidential election campaign re-run in 2024 if it comes to it, less so.
The voting electorate increases every election cycle on both sides, it’s math. Yes, Trump did have unforeseen positive gains in many voting blocs, but there’s also a lot of incumbency bias in those figures.

Let’s not think that the net increase in votes he earned was just due to his perceived brilliance. by voters.
 

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Not really. Massively oversimplification.

Hypothetical...

If one party had me believe my tax would go up, my current civil liberties would be infringed upon, my business is at risk of temporary closure, and that unchecked immigration would see the environment I know and loved, changed forever.... I’d probably be able to ignore the racism.

Key line there is ‘Had me believe’. I could absolutely rationalise voting for someone racist if it protected my personal situation.

All of us have these kind of internal battles.

I’ve travelled extensively around America (but nothing like enough). 40-50 year old Republican Conservatives just remind me of my 85 year old grandfather (would have been 94 now). Heck, my father had some terrible views just 20 years ago.

Reducing America’s problems to sentence on a sandwich board... is evidence of the cause of those problems.
I'd have to agree, the reason an individual votes for or against someone can be very complex and whilst political platform matters, it's not the be all and end all. A lot actually depends on the individual's life experiences which ultimately shape his or her aspirations and deep-seated fears.
 

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Kushner's no doubt worried that this whole thing will derail Ivankas plans for 2024.

I can just picture the conversation...

Kusher: Sir, I realise this is painful for you, but maybe now would be a good time to start thinking about Ivanka?

Trump: I don't know Jared, maybe you're right, maybe jerking off would make me feel a bit better. Its certainly worth a shot.
:lol:
 

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You’re joking, but can you imagine Donald Trump with all the secrets he knows? I can easily imagine him yapping about it with his golf «buddies». «Hey, did I tell you about Roswell? I have the BEST stories to tell».
There was probably a point somewhat early in his presidency where the holders of many secrets in the government actively began to try to keep them from him. They probably had some success in doing so. Happens with all presidents to a certain degree, probable never more so than with Trump.
 

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Oh I see what you did there, you took the thing I said and turned it around on me! Gottem.
I think you missed the point.

I was actually pointing out that comments on formatting within a damn football forum, while ignoring the content... is stupid.

Especially when you’re accidentally aiming them at someone who actually published a book that (very few) people paid money for.

If that’s your bag, you do you. Your time is better spent focussing on content/messaging though.
 

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The voting electorate increases every election cycle on both sides, it’s math. Yes, Trump did have unforeseen positive gains in many voting blocs, but there’s also a lot of incumbency bias in those figures.

Let’s not think that the net increase in votes he earned was just due to his perceived brilliance. by voters.
Indeed. Seems to be very much understimated. I get it though - most western countries at least dont grow nearly at the same pace as we do. I just looked it up - in 2009 when Obama was first elected we had about 24 million people less (!!) than now.
 

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Do Americans actually find SNL funny? I'm a Brit so I've never understood if there's some cultural thing at play or it's just terrible.
No, we don't. Its become far too PC and political over the past 20 years or so. A lot of people watch it just to see them mock politicians these days.
 

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There is one thing that really worries me about all this. If about 150M Americans voted and Biden won the popular vote by about 3M, that still leaves about 72M Americans who totally think voting a narcissistic sociopath into office is totally cool. :houllier:
Unfortunately, many of these non-voters have a lot of ‘-isms’ that will be tapped into in the coming years. It will truly be a race to the bottom.
 

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Yes, because he needs an opening argument for those Court appearances.

I can't believe how far Giuliani has fallen, considering he was an admired leader immediately after 9/11.
Think it was me that found this article a few weeks/months back. It delves into his deterioration. I think he got caught up in the fame and riches.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rudy-giuliani-new-york-trump-997712/
What Happened to America’s Mayor?
Rudy Giuliani was once a national hero who refused to let Donald Trump buy him breakfast. How did he become who he is today?

Founds this one today.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...om-hero-of-911-to-leader-of-trumps-last-stand
Rudy Giuliani: from hero of 9/11 to leader of Trump's last stand
President’s fixer, fireman and ‘first friend’ now looks to be heading for an end point
 

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I spent 20 years in the reddest of red states (Alabama) and 100% believe they are not a lost cause. The conservative voters out there are so freaking brainwashed, and it is being done by their local politicians to keep them in check. I am not saying that there are not racist/sexist assholes there, there are, just as the is in other red and blue states. However, there are a lot more good people who just want to live a good life but are hurting right now. The sinister part is that their local politicians, just like Trump, do not spread a message of "I see your pain, lets try and fix it". Instead they spread the message of "I see your pain and its <insert "Other" group> fault". From Fox News to ESPECIALLY local talk radio, that is the continuous message. The only way this is going to be fixed is by somehow, and I don't have any idea how, removing the lies and sinister ideals from our society.
The biggest con is Republican messaging convincing centre-right Republicans that far right Republicans are closer to their political viewpoint than Centre-Left voters.

That whole central block don’t need a label. They don’t need reducing to a team. They need politicians that speak truth and deliver on it. They need those truths to help their own lived existence.

Centrist Americans represent the largest voting block in the Nation. They hold the fate of the nation but get pulled in directions they don’t want to go, by elements of the party they probably wouldn’t like all that much if they met them in a bar.
 

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Indeed. Seems to be very much understimated. I get it though - most western countries at least dont grow nearly at the same pace as we do. I just looked it up - in 2009 when Obama was first elected we had about 24 million people less (!!) than now.
Which is crazy when you consider that the birth rate is under 2 at the moment. The MEDIAN (not average, cuz f_ck that guy) age of an American has increased 10 years since 1970 and as gone up a full year since 2010. We may have more people, but they are trending older. When the boomers begin dropping in large numbers there is going to be a sizeable demographic shift I think.
 

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Thought Chappelle was pretty weak.

"Did I trigger you?"

"What is this, a woke meeting?"

Talk about low-hanging punchlines.


Pretty sure he got me too'ed by about a dozen women.
They’re not punchlines you’ve quoted. Those are tags.

I appreciate those that didn’t find it funny. It was light on jokes. But he spoke to matters that need elements of realness.
 
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