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Tom Cato

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Context is important, but so does the context that he wrote it on twitter which is a public platform.

Obviously in Argentina their culture is different but acting like he doesn't know the culture of many other countries, including the one he lives in, that this isn't deemed normally acceptable in public it won't be shocking if he gets a ban.

I don't think for a second he was being racist, but this is more than that.
This is MORE than being racist? Its WORSE? Or what are you implying?

The color "black" printed on the crayon package in spanish is signifanctly more racist sounding than this IG comment.

I'm struggling to see who is offended here?
 

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Right, it's funny how you dismissed this by calling it just a mistake, whilst of course claiming that your point "still stands". The typical moral highground that I've highlighted since my first post in this thread.
What the feck are you talking about? I got his nationality wrong, my point had nothing to do with nationality.

There is no moral high ground here.

Grow up a little.
 

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I get that about the word. Theres a time and place to use it. You wouldn't use it around black people in the wrong context, that would be stupid, but if a Spanish person says it to define the colour of coffee or a car colour then its wrong? The Spanish language is just different.
Un coche negro - A black car
Un coche negrito - A little black car.

Cavani and many others like Bernardo Silva have used it as it's normal to do so, and black people should not be offended when it's in the correct context.
It's not different, and it's not being used to describe a car. Nothing wrong with saying black car in the UK either.
However, in the UK you wouldn't say hey "Blackie" or "Little Black Boy" or hey "China man" but in Latin America, this is a normal thing to do that's the main difference.
Its a different culture all together as many have pointed out.
 

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This is MORE than being racist? Its WORSE? Or what are you implying?

The color "black" printed on the crayon package in spanish is signifanctly more racist sounding than this IG comment.

I'm struggling to see who is offended here?
I was meaning the importance of this is more than it being racist or not. It being racist or not is not the only important factor here.

I do not really care who is offended or not, offence to me is not a good argument anyway.
 

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Context is important, but so does the context that he wrote it on twitter which is a public platform.

Obviously in Argentina their culture is different but acting like he doesn't know the culture of many other countries, including the one he lives in, that this isn't deemed normally acceptable in public it won't be shocking if he gets a ban.

I don't think for a second he was being racist, but this is more than that.
Sorry this made me laugh, it was shared on IG not Twitter and Cavani is from Uruguay not Argentina! But I know what you meant and agree!

Is a player liable for something they haven't personally posted themselves? That's just a question in general, obviously I have no idea who was behind this specific Cavani post.
Yes the player is liable, the FA rules specifically state that the named owner of the account is responsible for any content posted whether it by themselves or a third party.
 

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He basically wrote the equivalent of "thanks mate", absolutely nothing in it. He could have easily written "gracias guacho", which means and communicates the same but the literal translation is "thanks orphan" and could be deemed offensive to orphans all across the world. We don't have a word for mate/matey (saying amigo/friend is more common in the tropics, not down here), we indistinctly use terms like guacho (orphan), papo (daddy), nene (kiddo), or the nickname, which in this case happened to be negrito.

That he is working in a country where PC has gone mad and beyond will only be too clear to him by now, seeing as he deleted the post. I would expect him to say something along the lines of being sorry if anyone was offended and move on swiftly, but knowing the English press they won't let go and it will start doing his head in. My hope is he knows full well they are off their rocker from all the way back in South Africa and the Suarez handball incident, he should easily work out he will never really "get it".
100% correct, especially the bolded part. The fact that this even got so much attention sums up our society nowadays. 99% of the people understand feck all what he even wrote but are just jumping on the bandwagon.
 

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What the feck are you talking about? I got his nationality wrong, my point had nothing to do with nationality.

There is no moral high ground here.

Grow up a little.
Your ignorance is clearly on show for everyone, as you can't even see the faults in yourself, yet you try to judge the behaviour of people from other cultures. It's hilarious, I have to admit.
 

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Yes the player is liable, the FA rules specifically state that the named owner of the account is responsible for any content posted whether it by themselves or a third party.
Thanks
 

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Sorry this made me laugh, it was shared on IG not Twitter and Cavani is from Uruguay not Argentina! But I know what you meant and agree!


Yes the player is liable, the FA rules specifically state that the named owner of the account is responsible for any content posted whether it by themselves or a third party.
I'm allowed to make mistakes.
 

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No the bigger issue will be all the kids growing up with racist mouth breather parents not a footballer using a word that he meant no offence using.
Don’t be naive. There will be kids trying the word out for size.
delete tweet, apologize and move on. Don’t bring so much attention to it so that kids seek it out to see what the fuss is. Whatever the FA will do, so be it
 

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Don’t be naive. There will be kids trying the word out for size.
delete tweet, apologize and move on. Don’t bring so much attention to it so that kids seek it out to see what the fuss is. Whatever the FA will do, so be it
Surely its the kids that need educating?
 

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It would be ridiculous to punish him for saying a perfectly normal word in his own language on his own time in a friendly way, regardless of the questionable etymology of that word. But it's the FA so I expect an 11 game ban is incoming.
 

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Don’t be naive. There will be kids trying the word out for size.
delete tweet, apologize and move on. Don’t bring so much attention to it so that kids seek it out to see what the fuss is. Whatever the FA will do, so be it
I agree they will use it either way, however there is a difference between them thinking its acceptable and not.
 

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Im afraid we now live in a country were the miserable delicate complainers rule the roost.

The FA will look into it and feel like they have to do something otherwise the above fannies of this world will come out in droves.

The FA ( and most authorities ) these days would rather take the wrong action to appease the many than actually use common sense.
 

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100% correct, especially the bolded part. The fact that this even got so much attention sums up our society nowadays. 99% of the people understand feck all what he even wrote but are just jumping on the bandwagon.
It used to disturb me quite a lot, but I've grown to accept that this is the current development of our modern societies. The cycle of history is inevitable.
 

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I am Uruguayan, same as Cavani, and probably the other person he is talking too...
Is England the law about how everyone in any country should communicate?
I mean, England will teach the world about not being racist? really?
Yeah because South American countries are so perfect.
 

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I came to this a bit late and not sure what the actual translation is.. but if someone can call a bloke who rescues kids from drowning in a cave "pedo guy", with his whole defence in a defamation case being "we use that word all the time in South Africa", then we need to know what the words mean to those who speak the same language as Cavani.

If it turns out to be racist, he will have to face the consequences
 

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100% correct, especially the bolded part. The fact that this even got so much attention sums up our society nowadays. 99% of the people understand feck all what he even wrote but are just jumping on the bandwagon.
Close to 100 % of the attention is from people like you whining about society, where is the bandwagon?
 

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The FA will want to show some consistency having punished players for use of this word and others when used offensively or in a friendly manner. So if that means a 1 or 2 game ban so be it, we take and move on.

However the club needs to learn from this, we know from the previous situation that this is a word that is common certainly in Uruguayan culture, why upon his arrival didn't someone from the club just explain to him that culturally in the UK we don't use that phrase and it can be seen as offensive. Avoid using it on social media or certainly on public social media accounts.
 

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Cavani, the devout evangelical Christian, is a racist now huh?

I guess you can't trust anybody these days.
Irony, I'm pretty sure the Church was one of the main spreaders and proponents of racism in its heyday...
 

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No one with half a brain cell will think he meant what he posted offensively.
You could say that, but you could also say that anyone with half a brain cell could see how the world has progressed over the last decade and maybe understand that regardless of cultural context, it could be viewed as offensive by some and maybe not to use the phrase at all.
 

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Can we start threadbanning or tempbanning people who implies or outright says that Suarez said "negrito" to Evra back then? It's infuriating seeing people use that as a base for an argument. Or put something in the thread title maybe?

Can't believe Liverpool's PR campaign worked so well on United fans.
 

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Troy Deeney saying he deserves a 3 match ban. Get fecked.

He did nothing wrong. If they ban him it’s solely to look politically correct. The twitter mob isn’t even arsed about this. Only the wokest of the woke, like Troy fecking Deeney, give a shit.
 

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I came to this a bit late and not sure what the actual translation is.. but if someone can call a bloke who rescues kids from drowning in a cave "pedo guy", with his whole defence in a defamation case being "we use that word all the time in South Africa", then we need to know what the words mean to those who speak the same language as Cavani.

If it turns out to be racist, he will have to face the consequences
The word itself isn't racist and that applies to most words in all languages
 

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Cavani, the devout evangelical Christian, is a racist now huh?

I guess you can't trust anybody these days.
I don’t think anyone really thinks that he is racist. It’s obviously a cultural difference.
But the FA will make a stand, the guidelines are there so we can’t moan really
 

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People seriously need to grow up. This is the Bernardo Sliva nonsense (a joke between two friends) all over again.
 

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The FA will want to show some consistency having punished players for use of this word and others when used offensively or in a friendly manner. So if that means a 1 or 2 game ban so be it, we take and move on.

However the club needs to learn from this, we know from the previous situation that this is a word that is common certainly in Uruguayan culture, why upon his arrival didn't someone from the club just explain to him that culturally in the UK we don't use that phrase and it can be seen as offensive. Avoid using it on social media or certainly on public social media accounts.
I hope Pellistri is taking note
 

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People seriously need to grow up. This is the Bernardo Sliva nonsense (a joke between two friends) all over again.
Its not the same as Bernado Silva joke at all, this is far less problematic than that.
A joke between friends on a public forum is no longer a joke between friends
 

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I came to this a bit late and not sure what the actual translation is.. but if someone can call a bloke who rescues kids from drowning in a cave "pedo guy", with his whole defence in a defamation case being "we use that word all the time in South Africa", then we need to know what the words mean to those who speak the same language as Cavani.

If it turns out to be racist, he will have to face the consequences
Vernon Unsworth did try and sue for $150m damages for being called a "pedo". Greed killed that case.
 

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Troy Deeney saying he deserves a 3 match ban. Get fecked.

He did nothing wrong. If they ban him it’s solely to look politically correct. The twitter mob isn’t even arsed about this. Only the wokest of the woke, like Troy fecking Deeney, give a shit.
He also said if I heard right, that if players left the pitch a number of times with concussion they would be perceived as soft by their teammates.
 

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Culturally inappropriate I'd say. Far from rascist. Like others say context is important as is intention.

He should be fined and 'educated'.

I think MU should probably keep out of it or at most say they will 'educate' Cavani.
 

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He basically wrote the equivalent of "thanks mate", absolutely nothing in it. He could have easily written "gracias guacho", which means and communicates the same but the literal translation is "thanks orphan" and could be deemed offensive to orphans all across the world. We don't have a word for mate/matey (saying amigo/friend is more common in the tropics, not down here), we indistinctly use terms like guacho (orphan), papo (daddy), nene (kiddo), or the nickname, which in this case happened to be negrito.

That he is working in a country where PC has gone mad and beyond will only be too clear to him by now, seeing as he deleted the post. I would expect him to say something along the lines of being sorry if anyone was offended and move on swiftly, but knowing the English press they won't let go and it will start doing his head in. My hope is he knows full well they are off their rocker from all the way back in South Africa and the Suarez handball incident, he should easily work out he will never really "get it".
Exactly.
 

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Troy Deeney saying he deserves a 3 match ban. Get fecked.

He did nothing wrong. If they ban him it’s solely to look politically correct. The twitter mob isn’t even arsed about this. Only the wokest of the woke, like Troy fecking Deeney, give a shit.
I'm sure Deeney will love to get attention from this story, he can gain some relevancy again.
 

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I don’t think anyone really thinks that he is racist. It’s obviously a cultural difference.
But the FA will make a stand, the guidelines are there so we can’t moan really
The guidelines are there if anybody actually had the common sense to show them to him in the first place.
 

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Vernon Unsworth did try and sue for $150m damages for being called a "pedo". Greed killed that case.
maybe shouldn't have gone for that much, but don't tell me it was defamation - ridiculous decision by the court
 
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