They didn't use a transparent PNG, now I'm offended.
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They didn't use a transparent PNG, now I'm offended.
I've just ordered mine.
He seriously doesn’t get it!Reported for lying once again about about @Marcosdeto said
He should call his friends of Croydon ”Negrito”
To be fair to him, he’s been quoted a lot, I almost feel bad for him.Did you miss this post @sammsky1
But Cavani is now employed by a British club, so he has to adapt to our language and culture.I'll ignore everything that's been said before (for now).
A few posters who are from South America (at least one actually from Uruguay) have explained that in their language/culture, the word ISN'T racist.
I get that there are lots of things in the world that one country/culture finds acceptable and another doesn't. But can you not see that this case is different.. because the word isn't one you can literally translate and then guage that TRANSLATED word against Western culture?
Good postI think you miss a big point, there isn't really a word that you can translate in any language to be literally racist, even the ones which were once used in the US like "negro" (in fact stolen from Latin America) but we won't get into that.
What made it a racist term as like "coloured" in the US and UK and now "urban" in some context now in the UK was the context around it and the culture, not the words specifically.
The context being it is now culturally unacceptable in Western Culture to refer to someone by their race, no matter what word you use.
The word black in English is not a racist term, but if I refer to someone who is black as "Hey black" there will be a problem in the UK, this isn't a language issue as really its more a cultural one which shows the cultural differences between Western culture and Latin American.
Describing features and race is prevalent in their language and widely accepted in their culture.
Focusing on the actual word used misses this nuance.
With all that said, I don't believe we can expect Cavani to know all of this as someone who has hardly lived in the UK or US, but I'm sure he will probably not post something like that on social media again. Also its not for one culture to preach to another what is right or wrong.
An old can of worns, but it can be argued both ways. Thing is, there was really no proof that Suarez actually racially abused Evra. Suarez said that he said 'Per que negro' (why matey) which in itself is not offensive. Evra I believe said that Suarez told him 'Porque eros negro' (because you are black).Context is everything, but that goes both ways.
On the one hand, apparently it's an acceptable term of endearment in Uruguay* and he pretty clearly used it in that context. He wasn't using it to intentionally abuse or belittle a black person. He's not Suarez, who used unambiguously racial language to abuse a black man. On the other hand, he's not in Uruguay now. He lives and works in the UK, represents an English club (and by extension, English football) and with that comes an expectatation to respect British cultural norms, one of which is "it's not acceptable to use racial epithets". I don't think that, as a very well-travelled guy who has lived in 3 different European countries and who likely followed the Suarez incident more closely than most, he can reasonably claim to be ignorant of the connotations of the word he used and the potential for offence/harm.
Which is all to say, he only has himself to blame if he gets a ban. Clearly what he's done is not at all comparable to what Suarez did, so it would chafe it he received anywhere near the same punishment, but Suarez got off ludicrously lightly all things considered. I wouldn't be surprised or feel aggrieved if he got 2-3 games.
* I would be interested to hear how Black Uruguayans/Black Latin Americans generally feel about that, however, because aside from the people in here defending Cavani, and those who came out to defend Suarez back in the day (when they were lying about what he said), I've seen no evidence that the term has been shorn of its racial connotations or meaning.
You go by the country that you're in.I'll ignore everything that's been said before (for now).
A few posters who are from South America (at least one actually from Uruguay) have explained that in their language/culture, the word ISN'T racist.
I get that there are lots of things in the world that one country/culture finds acceptable and another doesn't. But can you not see that this case is different.. because the word isn't one you can literally translate and then guage that TRANSLATED word against Western culture?
I think he revels in it, so I almost feel bad tooTo be fair to him, he’s been quoted a lot, I almost feel bad for him.
Sounds like faggot. You fecking racist homophobic cnut!This is a very English-centric viewpoint. The word 'negro' meaning black in Spanish is not intended as a marker for black inferiority - that is only the case in English.
Stop using it in English, sure. But demanding the Spanish change their language to accomodate English? This is why people accuse you of British Imperialism.
In Hungarian, black is 'fekete'. Is that OK with you, or should we stop using it and find something else?
3 match ban I reckonHmmmm, weren’t you the one threatening to report people for “lying about you” earlier?
Frankly I think Sammsky owes Marcos a sincere apology or Marcos, as the injured party, should be able to decide what the punishment is.
To be fair to him, he’s been quoted a lot, I almost feel bad for him.
No I’m all good.To be fair to him, he’s been quoted a lot, I almost feel bad for him.
Hang on are you saying that negro can mean matey as well as black?An old can of worns, but it can be argued both ways. Thing is, there was really no proof that Suarez actually racially abused Evra. Suarez said that he said 'Per que negro' (why matey) which in itself is not offensive. Evra I believe said that Suarez told him 'Porque eros negro' (because you are black).
Section him?
Feck me, that's a bit much even for the FA.
Or do you mean sanction? Just a couple of letters difference between words really changes the meaning doesn't it??
This was on the internet, not in the streets of Manchester, talking to a fellow Uruguayan that he apparently knew. How is this anything to do with Britain? He was using an American site for starters.But Cavani is now employed by a British club, so he has to adapt to our language and culture.
He's a Uruguayan that for all we know was using a phone purchased in Uruguay, on the South American app version of Instagram, talking to his mate in Uruguay in its native language over Uruguayan servers. He has to adapt to feck all.But Cavani is now employed by a British club, so he has to adapt to our language and culture.
No I’m all good.
Just amused reading all these old geezers unspooling because they are having their white supremacy toys being taken away from them.
Same happened during BLM, Churchill status’s and will continue every time an event that exposes them until finally we have removed them all.
its all good for me.
ExactlyThis was on the internet, not in the streets of Manchester, talking to a fellow Uruguayan that he apparently knew. How is this anything to do with Britain? He was using an American site for starters.
I don't know where to start on that so I'll just say no and move on.I think you miss a big point, there isn't really a word that you can translate in any language to be literally racist, even the ones which were once used in the US like "negro" (in fact stolen from Latin America) but we won't get into that.
What made it a racist term as like "coloured" in the US and UK and now "urban" in some context now in the UK was the context around it and the culture, not the words specifically.
The context being it is now culturally unacceptable in Western Culture to refer to someone by their race, no matter what word you use.
The word black in English is not a racist term, but if I refer to someone who is black as "Hey black" there will be a problem in the UK, this isn't a language issue as really its more a cultural one which shows the cultural differences between Western culture and Latin American.
Describing features and race is prevalent in their language and widely accepted in their culture.
Focusing on the actual word used misses this nuance, equally, there could be an issue if he used the term "chinito"
With all that said, I don't believe we can expect Cavani to know all of this as someone who has hardly lived in the UK or US, but I'm sure he will probably not post something like that on social media again. Also its not for one culture to preach to another what is right or wrong.
He just happens to be playing in a UK based league which has UK based rules and guidelines.
Not answered the question just thrown insults over nothing. Well done.How about you just stop being foolish.
.......and it seems that his friend is white after all.He's a Uruguayan that for all we know was using a phone purchased in Uruguay, on the South American app version of Instagram, talking to his mate in Uruguay in its native language over Uruguayan servers. He has to adapt to feck all.
Idiotic.He's a Uruguayan that for all we know was using a phone purchased in Uruguay, on the South American app version of Instagram, talking to his mate in Uruguay in its native language over Uruguayan servers. He has to adapt to feck all.
Is he?.......and it seems that his friend is white after all.
Can i say white ?!
Sounds like faggot. You fecking racist homophobic cnut!
.......and it seems that his friend is white after all.
Can i say white ?!
.. Playing for a club on the American Stock Exchange..He's a Uruguayan that for all we know was using a phone purchased in Uruguay, on the South American app version of Instagram, talking to his mate in Uruguay in its native language over Uruguayan servers. He has to adapt to feck all.
Yes. The person who is referred to negro (or negrito) doesn't even need to be black in the first place.Hang on are you saying that negro can mean matey as well as black?
Your free days are numbered, once sammsky becomes MP.......and it seems that his friend is white after all.
Can i say white ?!
Apologies. I must've quoted a post of yours quoting someone else and, in editing it down in the reply box to pick out the bit I wanted to address, ascribed it to you in error. (Checking back, the quote should've been credited to Zlatan 7.)Not sure why you quote me saying this? As in I clearly did not write what you quoted me as writing in that message.
It's not though. The issue of what he said is being rightly or wrongly called out because of potential connotations in the country in which he is employed. It's not about whether or not it should be considered offensive or not in his native country, pobrecito.Idiotic.
Bingo.What people need to realise is that that what Sammsky is demanding is not "imperialism" it is just radical left wing language policing.
that's exactly what differenciates Suarez action from Cavani'sSo many pages of circular arguments and worse insults being thrown about in this thread than actually is the case with Edinson.
Much of this must be judged on the context and tone of the remark. The equation is not applicable with Suarez in this case. The fact that he used the term negrito during a heated game with fierce rivals and with a player he had no history of friendship was telling.