Every new manager always have that good first of 3-4 months. Who doesn’t? Even Emery did. May be not Koeman with Barcelona.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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That's the interesting thing that developed over the summer. The old adage of 'if it ain't broke' why tinker'? I mean it's not like they were blowing people away in the league. But at least they could scrap by on cup performances and score goals at least.
Judging by the last few months in the new season, its clear that he wants to improve the defence first for his master plan before going back to some attacking new version of Arteta's Arsenal.
Is this part of the growing pains of Arteta's new re-build or the players have stopped listening to him and its the beginnings of down tooling like they did under Mester Gud Eberning?
It's a chore watching Arsenal play currently.
We are so rotten as a club, its hard to even know where to place blame.
From the penny pinching board, the negative approach to games home and away, player performances, the starting line ups. The list is enormous.
Only a few years ago we were complaining about just being a top 4 side. Now top 4 looks like a fecking holy grail.
Dire times.
We are so rotten as a club, its hard to even know where to place blame.
From the penny pinching board, the negative approach to games home and away, player performances, the starting line ups. The list is enormous.
Only a few years ago we were complaining about just being a top 4 side. Now top 4 looks like a fecking holy grail.
Dire times.
For me, he must have some good ideas in general. But as of now, he is obsessed with defending the score, so it becomes a weird situation. I do hope they have a bit of negativity and all, as that would divert them from the unjustified negativity around United, relatively speaking of course, but long term, maybe he will be successful, I don't know. They didn't seem to be super inspired against Spurs but when there is no space...
That's true but on the flip side to that Giroud, Gnabry, Ox, Fabianski and Szczesny are examples of player's who were also figures of fun at Arsenal but are now benefiting from a better environment and/or better standard of coaching elsewhere so maybe if Xhaka did the same himself he'd similarly benefit.
This goes back to Wenger's days. He found the magic formula once and thought he might repeat it.
Instead he started to buy flair players who never made it to the top - sometimes because of injury problems.
Also the youth players, he stuck to long with them, hoping for Wilshere to come good, praying for Walcott become that star
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He clearly has his favourites like Bellerin but overall their squad is quite decent. They can blame Kroenje as much as they want but these players should be good enough to finish between 6th-8th.
One big difference between him and Ole, in my opinion, is that Ole has been trying to change the mental fragility and culture, instilled by previous managers, first, whereas Arteta is just tampering with personel and tactics. His senior players, who have been at the club 5+ years, among others, are Hacker, Bellerin, Holding, Mustafi, and they are surrounded by kids. Auba, Leno are good enough, Lacazette is hit and miss, but always puts a shift in, and I admit, I thought Willian will push them closer to top 4, but they seem to have crumbled mentallymassively and their results just yo-yo between delirium and depression.
I don't think Arteta hasn't been trying to change the culture/mentality. I think he has been trying to perform a similar reset. But like Ole, it's not going to be smooth.
Anyway Arteta has to start a run now, it's going to only get more tedious from here. I'm thinking there must be more to his management that we haven't been able to see yet. If there isn't then he ain't lasting long.
If they hadn't been so hasty in getting rid of Wenger without looking at a proper transition this scenario would not be happening IMO
Giroud is doing/done nothing at Chelsea he didn’t do at Arsenal. Ox and Gnabry were young enough when they left that approval was inevitable (and were never figures of fun like Xhaka anyway) Goalkeepers are neither here nor there. Irrelevant to the quality of a manager.
Its an agenda from the fans.
They pay some of the best wages if you look at what Ozil, Auba, WIllian, Partey are all on 200k plus.
They spent money as well, last summer over £100m and this summer about £70m. This is similar net spend to some of the bigger teams in the league.
Like us, they get recruitment wrong.
He's turning Bellerin into Belap.
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There have been 16 foul throws in the whole premier league this season. 5 of them are by Bellerin. That’s criminal!
No idea why they persist with this 3-4-3 formation when it clearly doesn't work for them.
Playing long throws to Aubameyang and Lacazette is definitely a choice.
Tbf to Arteta, the Arsenal have a lot fewer tools to play with as compared to what has been afforded to Ole. They have been out of the CL and its associated revenue streams for a good number of years now.
So if you are saying he is just tampering with personnel and tactics only as opposed to Ole --its because Ole has been afforded or had also pitched a long term plan/future (of culture change and going back to our roots) for United to Woodward and the active owners. United's owners are willing or could afford to invest in Ole's United plus we have had better revenues come in over that same period.
There there is the case of Arsenal's bloated middle management structure..
At any rate, I still think he was an over-rated manager but simply because if the Cup and Shield success. One thing that the current Arsenal squad is, its been susceptible to new manager bounce. So maybe if they are literally teetering on the edges of relegation, they may need to sack Arteta in order to save themselves this season with a new manager bounce.
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Weren't they in a double pivot yesterday?
Leno
Soares-Luiz-Gabriel-Tierney
AMN-Partey-Ceballos
Pepe-Aubameyang-Saka
That's a decent XI. Is Everton/Wolves/Leicester any better?
When they’ve switched to the 433 a couple of times this season, they’ve been just as poor. Whatever they’ve tried so far just hasn’t worked.
As their best results (mostly last season) have come with the 343 that’s why he probably stuck with it as it’s a huge game and he feels safest with it. I don’t think he trusts his defenders at all.
It’s funny but I think they were preparing for Wengers departure but a key part of that was Wenger himself. In, what turned out to be his last season, they got a DoF who was in charge of transfers. I really felt they were starting the path of building a structure that would learn from Wenger then, once he left, would get a coach that fits the style of play they want.
However fan pressure built and Wenger had enough.
Isn’t pretty obvious. They are becoming predictable. Arteta isn‘t flexible enough with his tactic and no plan B.
Prevent Aubameyang to get the ball in the box and they won’t score. He’s relying to that man alone to score, tactic is becoming predictable, poor man management on his players like Saliba, Guendouzi and etc and he hasn’t improve anyone from Emery’s years.
Laca was on 13 league goals and 8 assists their 2nd top scorer and highest assist provider in 18/19 under Emery, and now he’s considered as deadwood.
You asked arsenal fans during end of the 18/19 season, which United players they will take into arsenal XI at that time. They will probably only say Pogba & Matic or may be Herrera. And now most of our players are the better ones and Pogba & Matic aren’t our best or regular players. They are going backward.
Prevent Aubameyang to get the ball in the box and they won’t score. He’s relying to that man alone to score, tactic is becoming predictable, poor man management on his players like Saliba, Guendouzi and etc and he hasn’t improve anyone from Emery’s years.
Laca was on 13 league goals and 8 assists their 2nd top scorer and highest assist provider in 18/19 under Emery, and now he’s considered as deadwood.
You asked arsenal fans during end of the 18/19 season, which United players they will take into arsenal XI at that time. They will probably only say Pogba & Matic or may be Herrera. And now most of our players are the better ones and Pogba & Matic aren’t our best or regular players. They are going backward.
They make it hard for the opposition now. You'd think that would be enough to placate those who went on and on about "Arsenal haven't won against a top 6 club since..."
How many Arsenal players would you take in our/your team ?
Saka, Gabriel and Partey. Partey is the only one I see starting for us. Need to see more of Gabriel but he looks great from games I've seen and Saka can be special.
And subsequently key back room figures left of, including Gazidis Who joined Milan
Wonder how they’re doing?
Interesting. Wasn’t wholly impressed though he did have one or two decent moments.
Where do you see him fitting in?
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I thought it was 3-4-3 with Tierney as CB?
I can Bellerin competing with AWB for the RB position.
Not sure if serious. Wolves and Spurs barely broke sweat in the last two Arsenal games. Easy to score against. Easy to defend against. Makes our capitulation (thanks Paul) even more infuriating.
I liked what I saw of Partey yesterday. He looked far more nimble footed than I initially thought. If he gets over his slight injury issues I think we could be looking at Arsenal's best signing in years.
Saka looks a great prospect as does Martinelli. So I would take them both.
Undecided on Gabriel at the present.
Saka looks a great prospect as does Martinelli. So I would take them both.
Undecided on Gabriel at the present.
Are their first halves much better? I watched them play Sheffield Utd earlier this season and after 30 minutes of play, neither team had taken a single shot. I think they have forgotten the point of football.
He’s an out and out winger, who stretches teams and puts a quality cross in. Yes, the typical reaction probably is another left sided player but we don’t have a player with his profile in the squad, the closest is probably Telles. But Saka is good off the ball and dribbling, if he improves his finishing a touch he can be class. Just having someone like that from the bench over Daniel James, makes us a stronger side.
He's trying to be innovative. It's in his blud.
Van Gaal was Pep's mentor
Pep was Arteta's mentor
Therefore there's a bit of Van Gaal in Arteta and he seems to be embracing it. 200 IQ football that nobody else could understand
I feel a little bit for Arteta, this is the worst Arsenal side I have seen in a long time. You would have to go back a long way to find an Arsenal team worse than the current one. Xhaka, never rated him, Holding, average, Bellerin, avergage, Luiz has an error in him and is prone to lapses. I remember watching a game where Son breezed past him like he was a training cone. Lacazette has been poor, PEA horribly out of form, Pepe never really got going. And on top of this internal problems within the squad between players. What is going on with Ozil? Contracted on big money just sitting on the bench, it is a mess from top to bottom.
Maybe the Bellerin of a few years ago but current Bellerin is lucky to be even getting in the Arsenal team, he's not at the level they aspire to be at.