Oh come one. He doesn't have to start Bellerin every game, Arteta can choose AMN or Soares. Luiz and Holding... there's still Sokratis, Mustafi, Mari, Chambers and Saliba on who they spent almost 30M. This is on Arteta even if some people dont like it.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
It shouldn't, but it really does annoy me a very great deal how he is getting a free ride compared to Ole.
I want to give him time, I think there is a good manager in him, i think everyone recognises that the squad needs a revamp, he has said he needs 4 or 5 new players to get to where he wants to be so he sees it as well, & the signings this summer where he has had money to spend (Gabriel, Partey) have been good signings. Not everything he has done I agree with, there's certainly been mistakes of that there is no doubt.
I don't want to be a team that chops & changes managers all the time, I think we need a bit of continuity & to let the manager get his own players in. I'd accept a 1 step back for 2 forwards approach as long as he's brave & decisive enough to really change the squad, & not bottle out replacing the likes of Xhaka & co within the team. However, I also appreciate that it's a results driven business & if we don't get results really soon then he likely will have to go.
I don't want to be a team that chops & changes managers all the time, I think we need a bit of continuity & to let the manager get his own players in. I'd accept a 1 step back for 2 forwards approach as long as he's brave & decisive enough to really change the squad, & not bottle out replacing the likes of Xhaka & co within the team. However, I also appreciate that it's a results driven business & if we don't get results really soon then he likely will have to go.
Talking about overall since he's come on. He took scalps off of City, Chelsea, United... They aren't good recently of course.
I dont really rate any of those players, you trade out Luiz and Holding for Sokratis and Mustafi meh. Mari, Chambers? Are they upgrades? I certainly do not rate Bellerin, just wondering if people genuinely think Arsenal have much better on the bench?
Saliba will take time I think, but I look over that Arsenal team and think it is pretty poor.
Yes they have an average squad but not 15th in the table awful. Arteta's tactics has completely made Aubameyang look crap. He is someone who has consistently scored 20 plus league goals and this season looks shadow of himself. Surely you have to look at the tactics also here.
He's under performing even by Unai Emery's standards, who had largely the same players.
This is true, they are certainly not 14th bad, but I dont think that squad is top four material either.
They’ll probably sneak on the back door for a Europa spot
He took those scalps with the most horrendously negative, backs to the wall, anti-football shit show you are ever likely to see (barring one good performances against City). That was never going to be sustainable and they deserved a lot less points from those game than they got, on balance of play. Results since have been a reversion to the mean.
I agree! My point (being glib of course) is I'm sure that was a welcome change for English football fans from the play nice and leave with nothing football Wenger brought to the table
Arteta winning two trophies and being an inexperienced manager is giving some grace with the media. If Brighton beat Southampton, Arsenal are 16th in the table. The heat will come if results don't pick up. You wouldn't be at all surprised if Burnley beat them at Turf Moor next Sunday.
I guess so. I always had a begrudging respect for Wenger-ball though. Even though they ended up bitch-slapping weak teams, while acting as speed bumps for the big boys, in full flow it was a beautiful thing to watch. The way Arsenal play under Arteta is a blight on the game. Awful awful stuff.
It's at The Emirates. Not that that's much of an advantage the past month or so.
Only for the last few years of his time there though when the big drubbings became frequent due to chronic lack of investments and the youngsters he got in were no longer as good. For the first 6-7 years after the move to the Emirates, Arsenal had us and Chelsea as bogeymen but they were mostly still tight affairs and they were decent in big-ish games both in league and CL (could’ve knocked out Barca in 2011, for instance, if not for RvP red card).
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So what did people see in his tactics and style that made them think he’s a good manager?
Correct me if I'm wrong but Emery had all those players aswell didn't he? When he was sacked he was being derided by majority as one of worst coaches in europe so that's why I really don't get the free pass Arteta is getting from majority of media still.
This was the league table the day after Emery's final league game:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50449170
Above Man. United and Spurs. 1 point off 5th place.
Also probably shows how well OGS did to get top 4 in the end given Man. United were 12 points off Leicester at that stage and that didn't start changing until middle of February.
Throwing in a rookie manager in a shitty Arsenal team with their shitty board and little money to spend. Very low odds he will succeed
I mean, Ozil can't have declined that much.
Because they overrate players. They compare their players to Liverpool yet they haven't won shit in years.
Nevermind the forwards. If you were to put one Pool player in that team, say Trent, the difference would be visually clear. They would start winning far more games. And that's just a righttback.
They overrate their team.
I sometimes listen and they overrate the squad. They compare Tierney to Roberson, Trent & stuff like that.
/watch?v=tEbos1zc3Z0
Nevermind the forwards. If you were to put one Pool player in that team, say Trent, the difference would be visually clear. They would start winning far more games. And that's just a righttback.
They overrate their team.
I sometimes listen and they overrate the squad. They compare Tierney to Roberson, Trent & stuff like that.
/watch?v=tEbos1zc3Z0
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I think Tierney would start for us too.
You're bang on about next week, Burnley have been better their last couple of games so it really wouldn't be a surprise.
Carragher started the media pressure on him.
Finally.
Finally.
One argument I'm finding weird about utilizing Arsenal's weak squad to defend Arteta. Wasn't everyone and their mothers rating Arsenal to be a shoo-in for top four at the beginning of 2019/20 season? Even most of the caf was in that camp. Now, we're at about a year and a half containing a year with Arteta where he has been the manager during the two succeeding transfer windows after the beginning of 2019/20 season. So, the question is has the squad/individual players gotten worse under Arteta's watch and why isn't he responsible for that squad being in the 15th position? or was their squad just over-hyped for no reason at the beginning of 2019/20 season? And obviously, I'm ignoring the amount of control he may or may not have towards buying and selling players and the contract renewals because I don't know.
When managers takes over a new team they want to imprint their style and philosophy on the team asap but realistically it can take at least four windows to get the players in that suit their style. They will probably need four windows to get rid of the players that don't fit in as well.
Unless the manager is making a total hash of things I believe clubs are better served to stick with a manager for at least two seasons or don't hire people who have a completely different philosophy from the previous boss.
Unless the manager is making a total hash of things I believe clubs are better served to stick with a manager for at least two seasons or don't hire people who have a completely different philosophy from the previous boss.
Arteta bandwagon shows the importance of connections, friends in whichever industry.
he didnt deserve 3 years of contract, he got praised for “moral victory” in losses, so it was inevitable he is not good enough...
he didnt deserve 3 years of contract, he got praised for “moral victory” in losses, so it was inevitable he is not good enough...
Our squad was definitely over-hyped, our new players have been massively under performing (or we paid far too much for them).
Pepe is a flop, I still rate him but he isn't performing at the level we expected at the beginning of 2019/2020 season.
Laca is a flop, he was supposed to replace Giroud and give us another dimension and he's arguably worse than him.
Saliba isn't playing, we spent 20 mill+ on a CB that Arteta doesn't rate enough to play in Europa league.
Mari, Luiz, Willian, Cedric are very expensive squad players that fail to improve our team when they play.
Compare that to Man united : Maguire, AWB, Bruno, Lindelof, Cavani (early days for VdB) all are adding something to your team. You could argue that you overpaid for some of them, but it's night and day compared to our transfers.
I'd say that Arteta inherited a lot of this mess, but he added a few himself (Cedric, Mari, Luiz, Willian) and in my opinion he should take part of the blame for failing to make these players perform at a decent level.
Awful player discipline to add to the skillset.
Tick tock.
Tick tock.
Allegri surely in next.
Why oh why did he bring Xhaka back.. there was a perfect excuse to rid of him after that booing incident
No way is he staying put.
Saints next and then Everton away.
In a relegation battle. May as well get Big Sam in!
Saints next and then Everton away.
In a relegation battle. May as well get Big Sam in!
Where's all the cnuts spilling how obvious it is that he's streets ahead of Ole?
Wow 
He’s got to go
He's toast. P45 any day now.