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Huge error early on but I thought he recovered well from it. Good sign of a strong mentality and ability to cope with pressure.
Bizarre focus.Twice. Once from a dead ball situation. I mean, I might be old school but he's walking over to welly the thing up field and he gets waved off by Lindelof to pass it to him from the edge of the area. Again not absolving him at all, he takes the blame but the whole thing is shit defending as a whole and I would be shaking like a dog shitting peanuts having to play behind Lindelof and Maguire if it was me. You never have any clue what they're going to do including passing it around in the box. One of them just croc the fecker up field.
May just be down the the different keepers' personalities and the best way to man manage them.Pretty out of character from ole? What did he say after ddg made the mistake and kicked the ball at the opposition striker?
And even Wilder when he was doing well at times:If he wants to be a professional footballer, these things are going to happen. But if he wants to play for the top teams, he wants to play for England then he needs to do better. He needs to concentrate more. It’s a disappointing day for him. I am not going to put my arms around him. Simply he needs to do better.
Whereas with DDG's errors piling up, a show of support might have been what they felt was needed in his particular case as damaged confidence was more of a worry than over-confidence.That's what he's there for, to make a couple of saves. How's he got man of the match? He's only made a couple of saves? He hasn't had to run around for 90 minutes! He just stands in the goal, the ball comes to him and he does what he has to do.
Romero has often made our defenders look decent, while De Gea makes those same defenders look awful. You can hide behind the ’exceptional’ saves DDG makes for all you want, but his overall goalkeeping isn’t good enough.One of many myths on this forum
Yup. I don't think that Henderson is bad, he definitely is a Premier League quality player, though, at the same time, he has no outstanding attributes to become a world-class keeper. He has a Pickford-like ceiling that clearly is not enough for here.Sheffield going straight at him on the first corner was a bit weird considering they know him so well. Probably thought he could be pressured and forced into a mistake.
Shocking error, bad game, but our forwards and that save at the end pulled him out. Early days obviously, but a clear sign we can't just move De Gea and that is our goalkeeping solved. Which was always absurd thinking.
Yeah, you're right. Lets not break down the periphery mistakes that's just too weird. Lets play it the United way and move onto the next game without accepting any responsibility at all.Bizarre focus.
I’d have done the same with Williams actually. Liverpool have done it for a good while and make shed loads doing it.I guess we are just terrible at making deals. We never sell in the hype, and we tend to buy when players reach their maximum valuation.
Man, thats so interesting.May just be down the the different keepers' personalities and the best way to man manage them.
At Sheffield United it appeared that any character flaws on Henderson's part tended to be towards over-confidence and a need to focus more. In fact seemingly harsh comments from Ole would echo the tone of Wilder when Henderson made a mistake:
And even Wilder when he was doing well at times:
Whereas with DDG's errors piling up, a show of support might have been what they felt was needed in his particular case as damaged confidence was more of a worry than over-confidence.
He made a mistake, I've admitted as much in this very thread, but Maguire should never pass him the ball there.If you're troubled by that pass you're not good enough for this level...
He made a mistake, and thats it. He'll come back better from it. It didnt cost us
Don't think it was absurd, just like they had an instruction to go straight at him and try to unsettle him. Maybe am overthinking on that one as they were in full aggressive mode for the first 15 minutes.I think it was hopeful and optimistic rather than absurd but...can't argue with your post otherwise.
Problem is the microscope will now be out his next game and he'll have to handle that. It's not easy. As you say, good that it's not cost us points but he's going to have a pretty sleepless night over that performance.
Hope he bounces back.
Feck me, same thing crossed my mind while watching the game. And if that turns out to be the case it validates the whole point you were making in that post.Yup. I don't think that Henderson is bad, he definitely is a Premier League quality player, though, at the same time, he has no outstanding attributes to become a world-class keeper. He has a Pickford-like ceiling that clearly is not enough for here.
I meant over the night. I actually said in part of the post you deleted that he was on his line for the goal.It's ludicrous to say that a keeper shouldn't be collecting, or at least punching, a ball that ends up being headed from 4 yards out, within the width of the posts.
Every pundit pointed it out. He misjudged the flight of the ball, ran into McGoldrick, retreated and ended up doing absolutely nothing.
For the goal, yes. But saying he was glued to his line implies he stayed in his line all night. The comparison to DDG is that he always stays on his line. That isn't and wasn't true of Henderson tonight.So what was he doing for the goal? It was in his area.
I love that he took on the fact they tried to pin him to his line. He didn't cower.And it was inswinging in.
These people are ddg loyalists. You cannot argue with them. This man was not glued to his line at all.
Henderson seems to have the same personality, where he won't shrink.De Gea still makes clangers, pretty much all goalkeepers do. But it wont stop people from shitting on a player who is young and hasn't played much this season
Pickford is a nervous wreck which limits his abilities and he is a bit shorter than most which limits his reach. Neither applies to Henderson, especially the point about his temper. Dean Henderson on form has very distinctive strengths and abilities. He reminds me a bit of the great dane in style, he is very brave and tough. Don't underestimate him just based on him dwelling on the ball on one occasion and getting blocked on one corner. It happens and tells nothing about his potential.Feck me, same thing crossed my mind while watching the game. And if that turns out to be the case it validates the whole point you were making in that post.
Pickford in his head wants (or wanted) to be like the great dane though. He is sometimes overly confident pulling that tough guy act and he especially did it at the start of his career which got him a lot of approval. This Pickford now is a bit more grounded into reality and insecure.Pickford is a nervous wreck which limits his abilities and he is a bit shorter than most which limits his reach. Neither applies to Henderson, especially the point about his temper. Dean Henderson on form has very distinctive strengths and abilities. He reminds me a bit of the great dane in style, he is very brave and tough. Don't underestimate him just based on him dwelling on the ball on one occasion and getting blocked on one corner. It happens and tells nothing about his potential.
2nd goal .... looked nervous throughoutHow did he have a shocker, apart from one mistake?
Have you ever played in goal? Half the game is anticipation and that funky shit from Lindelöf was hard to anticipate. Didn't do much wrong for the second one, one might argue he should have come out for the corner but again it was a crowd of 4 CB's in a pack. Not sure he did anything wrong staying in. For the first goal Maguire didn't do him any favours at all. No open pass for Henderson and if the point was to have Henderson boot it up, Harry should have done that himself. Hope Ole gives him couple of games.Second goal concerned me more, just fell into the net.
Weird.
There's not much to break down. We pass the ball around our own box, like quite a lot of other teams, and we've done it for some time, it's one of those few times it ends up with a feck up. It's not a poor pass that Henderson has to scramble to get to, and it's not like it's a 50-50 inviting the striker to challenge for the ball. If Henderson does what he'll do 999/1000 times, no one is complaining. Instead he cocks it up and they score. Shit happens and it's unlikely to happen again for quite some tie, so we roll on with it.Yeah, you're right. Lets not break down the periphery mistakes that's just too weird. Lets play it the United way and move onto the next game without accepting any responsibility at all.
But he didn't stay in. He was on his way off the line, stopped, and got caught out of position when the ball did bounce in. The replay clearly shows it.Have you ever played in goal? Half the game is anticipation and that funky shit from Lindelöf was hard to anticipate. Didn't do much wrong for the second one, one might argue he should have come out for the corner but again it was a crowd of 4 CB's in a pack. Not sure he did anything wrong staying in. For the first goal Maguire didn't do him any favours at all. No open pass for Henderson and if the point was to have Henderson boot it up, Harry should have done that himself. Hope Ole gives him couple of games.
He took a step forward yes, he anticipated that one of our big feckers could win the header that was his mistake. Not saying he looked particularly well in that situation but not sure he could have done much to save it. He looked nervous but that comes from not playing regularly and not having a secure first team spot. Hope he gets a couple of games to show his skills.But he didn't stay in. He was on his way off the line, stopped, and got caught out of position when the ball did bounce in. The replay clearly shows it.
Reminded me of Ben Foster feck up , I think it was City ?
'He took a step forward yes, he anticipated that one of our big feckers could win the header that was his mistake. Not saying he looked particularly well in that situation but not sure he could have done much to save it. He looked nervous but that comes from not playing regularly and not having a secure first team spot. Hope he gets a couple of games to show his skills.
Doubt you’d give DDG as much leeway as you did to Henderson thereNot even a close comparison.
He'll be disappointed with both goals tonight.
The first one he's put under unnecessary pressure from his captain. As the passer of the ball he is responsible for it's destination , Maguire should either be turning and playing it to Telles or hoofing it himself, Sheffield are pressing high and aggressively, he should be releasing pressure not inviting it. If he gives back to Henderson he should be ensuring that he knows to just boot it away and should be giving him a pass that allows him to do that. He does neither, Henderson has to take a touch and fecks up. It happens.
The second one, he could come for the corner, he's blocked by Mousset and there's a lot of bodies there. Lindelof and Maguire jump for the header both aren't set right and didn't do anything properly. It bounced off McGoldrick and drops in. He is slightly rocking back on his heels and he's not expecting it. The defensive set up from the corners is terrible. It's clear the last few weeks that whatever the instructions are they aren't working. Basic man for man defending with men on the posts and that goal is easily avoided.
I disagree with the poster you quoted, and have no issue with the ball from Maguire. But, I do think Henderson should be given more leeway than DDG, they are at very different stages of their careers.Doubt you’d give DDG as much leeway as you did to Henderson there
I agree but there will be pages and pages about DDG if he did what Henderson did tonight . And no one is replying like he did if DDG was in goalsI disagree with the poster you quoted, and have no issue with the ball from Maguire. But, I do think Henderson should be given more leeway than DDG, they are at very different stages of their careers.