Bugger. All the best.
I appreciate it. Now on to try and kick this thing’s ass.Feck man I hope you are alright and stay alright.
Bugger. All the best.
I appreciate it. Now on to try and kick this thing’s ass.Feck man I hope you are alright and stay alright.
Amen Brother.I appreciate it. Now on to try and kick this thing’s ass.
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It's looking at what should have been. Fair play to the Kiwis but we should have been more decisive.Boris is just wasting valuable time by not enforcing a lockdown now. Absolute cnut.
Watching the broadcast of the cricket in New Zealand & it’s like they’re living in an alternate reality. Stadium full, no masks, no social distancing... enjoying life & they’ll get their population vaccinated. I wish we had that leadership here.
Well, christ.Well. It got me. Tested positive.
get well soon mateWell. It got me. Tested positive.
It's pretty clear just taking a standard walk how the mood has shifted. During the first lockdown the roads were practically dead, right now there's a steady stream of traffic where I live and it's been that way for a while. The sense of fear that was palpable in April does not exist anymore, I think people see other people flouting rules and feel emboldened to do so themselves. We appear to be in a worse situation than we did in April and I think the Government should be conveying that better, the difference now is we have vaccines being rolled out. Surely it cannot be hard to sell people on being super responsible for 2 more months or whatever after everything we've been through?This somewhat sums up the problem with how things are currently being managed. Despite tiers 3 and 4, we’re still not even close to what a full lockdown was like in April.
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It is that and general complacency. Must admit I hate leaving the house now. Complacency is everywhere. Supermarkets letting a lot of people in and a good 40% of people aren’t even wearing a mask covering their nose. Delivery drivers all happy to hand parcels over and stand at door again. Basic messaging has been lost.
If people in the UK think we’re already being tough in our approach to the virus, we all need a rethink.
It would be very easy to sell this if the government didn't contradict itself at every moment. There should be a March-style lockdown with only the most essential services still operating. Anything short of that is on the government.Surely it cannot be hard to sell people on being super responsible for 2 more months or whatever after everything we've been through?
Well, christ.
Fingers crossed.
Thanks fellasget well soon mate
Our older one's primary school has only just sent out communication stating which years should attend the school. The whole school thing is a total joke to be honest and it's clear that our local school doesn't really want to open. It will be interesting to see what the attendance is like tomorrow and which rule changes are going to come about as I don't think the situation can continue like this for much longer.
The government has thrown the entire teaching profession under the bus. I’ve witnessed concern, anger and anxiety across entire organisations today as individual teachers, TAs, cleaners, admin and caterers have been forced into making an individual choice that was completely and utterly avoidable. Many of us have been told to inform leadership of our intention to enact Section 44 of the health and safety regulations. Even then, guidance differs from union to union.How was your school for providing work during lockdown in march?
Ours was poo. And our whole school is shut again but they aren't even doing work tomorrow it's starting Tuesday...
Idiots!!!
Really I don't know enough about the school system to know what they are / aren't capable of, but from the one friend I have that teaches secondary school in Dagenham, there was no hope they would have the resources for kids to be taught online, nor any belief that the majority of the kids would have the appetite to learn remotely if resources were available.I wouldn't have a problem with it if the said they were prioritising Primary schools because online learning is too limited for the younger ones. I'm more dubious about them allowing Secondary to continue - especially fulltime on-site - the autumn term contained a massive missed opportunity to improve online resources and complete the roll out of laptops/data hotspots where needed. That makes me suspect they hadn't even thought about it, crossing their fingers and hoping for the best isn't the same as prioritising it.
The continuing hesitation over advice to Universities and Colleges is even worse as it has less actual educational necessity behind it, and a lot of extra potential for spreading problems around the country.
Then finally we get the question of, "so what do we sacrifice to keep the schools open?" and we get the easy bits, the pubs, the restaurants, the gyms, the non-essential shops. But take a look at Tier4 rules - those aren't the March/April lockdown rules. Places of worship stay open, so do face to face support groups, and there are a whole bunch of other things there that we realised were essential whether for mental health reasons or sheer practicality - like house moves etc, that are listed there. The default "stay home" now only really applies to certain aspects of certain people's social lives and some businesses - who can't workaround the rules.
So basically I hear the "we've prioritised schools" - but I don't see the evidence that we've done enough elsewhere to match how we acted in March/April (against a less transmissible strain) let alone match that improvement and keep schools open. Especially not now as we head into winter, and we don't have the immense advantage that the "chance to say hello and hand the shopping over in the front garden" spring weather gave us.
Incidentally Manchester's numbers suggest that the new strain accounted for 25% of cases before Christmas. The regions are porous and the mutation is in community transmission across a lot of the country.
So I agree with you that we haven't done enough to match what happened in March, but I don't think that was because they hadn't thought about it and just hoped for the best. They just accepted worse public health outcomes than you (or presumably anyone in the NHS, along with huge swathes of society) would have accepted. But then he pays attention to what folks in The Telegraph and the like say. They think he's still doing too much harm to the economy by taking these public health measures.Boris Johnson said:What is absolutely clear is that of course, from March onwards, you could have closed down all transmission, the government could have pastoralised the UK economy. By the way there are people who advocate that, there are scientists that think that would have been the sensible solution. However, the damage to people's mental health, the damage to the long-term prospects of young people growing up in this country, the exacerbation of the gap between rich and poor, that would have been colossal.
It was the job of government to manage a very, very difficult situation which is being faced by every liberal democracy in Western Europe. And when you talk about we should have locked down in September or done things differently, plenty of people have tried to do things differently. They had a lockdown in Wales in September, they locked down tightly, they took the breaks off and then things immediately surged again.
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If you want to stop coronavirus spreading, then of course it's open to you or any government to close down the entire economy for the duration. If you look at all these examples of firebreakers or circuit breakers, all they do is buy you some temporary respite. What we're doing now is using the tiering system, which is a very tough system, and alas probably about to get tougher, to keep things under control.
Get well mateWell. It got me. Tested positive.
Not your biggest fan but wish you a speedy recoveryWell. It got me. Tested positive.
Will do bud!Get well mate
I love you too, SamidNot your biggest fan but wish you a speedy recovery
Look after yourself CR.Well. It got me. Tested positive.
Hope you both get well soon mate, chin upWell. It got me. Tested positive.
Depending when he got infected vs when he was vaccinated it might lessen his symptoms though.My uncle who is a doctor in the UK just tested positive after being vaccinated one week ago. Major bad luck with the timing.
On top of that back in April I had to cue for an hour to get into supermarkets. Now they just let you straight in.It's pretty clear just taking a standard walk how the mood has shifted. During the first lockdown the roads were practically dead, right now there's a steady stream of traffic where I live and it's been that way for a while. The sense of fear that was palpable in April does not exist anymore, I think people see other people flouting rules and feel emboldened to do so themselves. We appear to be in a worse situation than we did in April and I think the Government should be conveying that better, the difference now is we have vaccines being rolled out. Surely it cannot be hard to sell people on being super responsible for 2 more months or whatever after everything we've been through?
Don't see how it will. Its no coincidence things have got gradually worse since SeptemberI dont think the r rate will ever go down if schools are open
Gradually worse when schools reopened in September. Dramatically worse when they closed in December. The connection isn’t that obvious. Although I agree it makes sense to defer opening while things are as crazy as they are now. Definitely colleges and secondary schools anyway.Don't see how it will. Its no coincidence things have got gradually worse since September
Does it matter if you are a fan or not?Not your biggest fan but wish you a speedy recovery
Don't have the time to read all that but is Sweden as fecked as we are atm?I've asked the same questions myself. During the initial lockdown and even until today.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/03/swedish-model-failed-covid-19
But schools have only been closed two weeks. Surely that would only begin to be seen in data now?Gradually worse when schools reopened in September. Dramatically worse when they closed in December. The connection isn’t that obvious. Although I agree it makes sense to defer opening while things are as crazy as they are now. Definitely colleges and secondary schools anyway.
Which has very unusual circumstances, Xmas day, ny etc. Massive gatherings that are out of the normal.Gradually worse when schools reopened in September. Dramatically worse when they closed in December. The connection isn’t that obvious. Although I agree it makes sense to defer opening while things are as crazy as they are now. Definitely colleges and secondary schools anyway.
You’d think so, right? Hence it makes sense to push out their start until tomorrow week (which is the plan in Ireland) There’s such an insane upwards curve right now it would be great if they take the edge off things in the next few days. I’m not too hopeful though.But schools have only been closed two weeks. Surely that would only begin to be seen in data now?
Will do bud!Look after yourself CR.
Onward and upward my manHope you both get well soon mate, chin up
I’m just speculating like you. To me, the surge looks to be more related to non-school stuff like crowded shops, bars, restaurants and people drinking and hanging out together. That’s what the timing fits best of all. In Ireland we got cases under control before half term by closing hospitality etc. As soon as that decision was reversed cases went bonkers again.Which has very unusual circumstances, Xmas day, ny etc. Massive gatherings that are out of the normal.
A Xmas rise was inevitable wasn't it? I don't think it argues against the quite obvious rise since schools went back.
But I would defer to your knowledge of the subject
At a minimum. I would say any benefit to schools being closed the last two weeks will be outweighed by mixing at Christmas in all likelihood when we start to see those cases being reflected.You’d think so, right? Hence it makes sense to push out their start until tomorrow week (which is the plan in Ireland) There’s such an insane upwards curve right now it would be great if they take the edge off things in the next few days. I’m not too hopeful though.
I’d attribute that to panic buying and knowing very little about the transmission of the virus.On top of that back in April I had to cue for an hour to get into supermarkets. Now they just let you straight in.
Depends on the criteria for national lockdown. Tier 4 is pretty much shut down except essential shops and schools. Maybe national lockdown would close schools too.What's the difference between Tier 4 and national lockdown for a same area?
It is starting to look that way.I suspect you’re right - he’s repeatedly said that another National Lockdown would be devastating for the economy so, instead, he can have a local (honest) approach but with everyone except the Isle of Nowhere in Tier 5
Yes, I think we agree that the reason is desperation and the UK government not "following the science" yet again.I'm just saying there is a reason they are doing it.
They're trying to get as many people as possible immunised NOW
Hope you recover well. Liposomal vitamin C and Zinc supplements may help.Well. It got me. Tested positive.
Isn't he more likely to test positive because he had the vaccine?My uncle who is a doctor in the UK just tested positive after being vaccinated one week ago. Major bad luck with the timing.