A lot of this boils down to the pent up rage that there was a black man who was President.
So do your protections only extend to politicians in the federal government or to local government or state government? Do judges get the right to have non-threatening invaders shot dead?Still confused I see?
If BLM protestors, liberals, or hell, my own brother tried violently storming the US Capitol, full to the brim with the US senate, ignored a barricade and warnings from armed secret service officers and police with their weapons out to stand down.... yes they'd deserve to be shot ffs.
You keep James O'Brien-ing it and trying to make it out as us v. them, when it's actually not at all about that. It's about people putting themselves in a situation where they are asking, no, demanding to be shot.
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Shit just got real.
Whataboutism again?So do your protections only extend to politicians in the federal government or to local government or state government? Do judges get the right to have non-threatening invaders shot dead?
What's this about?
When you type certain keywords in twitch chat, you get certain emotes. In this case, PogChamp is a goofy lookin dude. Unfortunately that dude turned out to be full on Qanon MAGA the whole lot, and showed his true colours today on twitter during the riot.What is a PogChamp emote?
Stood trespassing, but arms clearly visible stood on the barricade. What a threat. Obviously deserved to die because other people were committing more serious crimes.As for "non threatening", being in the US capitol with the senate in session and ignoring a barricade and armed police and secret service isn't threatening? with report of pipes bombs? yeah sure.
Graeme Souness blaming Pogba for yesterday's attack.I thought this was about Pogba at first.
Wow,
Sounds about white. . .
With the VP in the building at that.Whataboutism again?
Yes, the US senate in session in the US capitol is absolutely more important than a US judge. Sad but true.
Donald Trump is also way more important than me, it's why a mob attacking me, can get away with it. A mob attacking Trump will rightly be shot.
As for "non threatening", being in the US capitol with the senate in session and ignoring a barricade and armed police and secret service isn't threatening? with report of pipes bombs? yeah sure.
A lot of this boils down to the pent up rage that there was a black man who was President.
Honestly even then I struggle to follow you. In many countries, European countries, the police would clatter everything in sight if a mob tries to forcibly enter parliament. I totally disagree with your sentiment here, the level of violence is fairly low when you consider the context even at an early stage. There is a reason why this kind of things rarely happen, it's because most people have the common sense to forsee the consequences and risks involved. Some of you are trivialising it by calling these people protesters.I’ve subsequently clarified my point. There was a serious delay in dealing with this. They left them unchallenged for far too long. Once they belatedly got the go ahead to start cracking heads they seemed to do this no less enthusiastically than usual. As per the video shared by @Eboue above.
Non-threatening?So do your protections only extend to politicians in the federal government or to local government or state government? Do judges get the right to have non-threatening invaders shot dead?
Was she a threat to anyone at the moment she was shot? Could she have been removed without being shot?With the VP in the building at that.
She wasn't at that moment was she?Non-threatening?
How do you know that though?Was she a threat to anyone at the moment she was shot? Could she have been removed without being shot?
If you know that she wasn't a real threat and a lesser amount of force could be used ask yourself why is it acceptable to use deadly force and why would people cheer for it?
She was part of a mob storming the senate to overturn an election. Yes she was. So were the rest of the criminal band.She wasn't at that moment was she?
Because her hands were clearly visible on the video.How do you know that though?
Listen to this woman.I don’t agree with this at all. What this boils down to is that America has reached peak capitalism which is as flawed as peak communism. An oligarchy has emerged where billionaires not only own the politicians but also the media. The politicians keep the money flowing upwards and ensure the wealth is concentrated in an ever decreasing circle and the number of people outside that circle that are living in poverty is growing exponentially. This naturally results in a lot of anger, anger which the media have become very effective channelling not towards the real perpetrators but towards marginal groups and straw men, immigrants, Antifa, hollywood elites, Muslims, Soros ect ect. People who are painted to be enemies of America and against American exceptionalism. This brand of “patriotism“ is painted as somehow virtuous.
All of that before you even get on to religion and how that’s being used to radicalise rural and suburban America right now.
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She could have been carrying anything on her. A gun isn't the only way to cause carnageBecause her hands were clearly visible on the video.
My theory on this is that feet on the floor was left intentionally light and was probably a selection of Trump sycophants who knew what was coming. It was only when the security were deployed by external actors the force increased.I’ve subsequently clarified my point. There was a serious delay in dealing with this. They left them unchallenged for far too long. Once they belatedly got the go ahead to start cracking heads they seemed to do this no less enthusiastically than usual. As per the video shared by @Eboue above.
Some of the protests that took place in the last 12 months compared with a literal march on Capitol Hill? The difference is maddening, honestly.I don't get this. Where are the people being led out in handcuffs? Why is no one being arrested?
Imagine this was a far left demonstration. There would be hundreds of arrests, tear gas, rubber bullets and armored vehicles all over the place. Trump or no Trump, American law enforcement is absolutely rotten to the core.
I'm sure they genuinely believe that too50 something but they’re all suspected Antifa spies who infiltrated a peaceful demonstration.
The police officer wasn't watching the video, you don't know what he sees and you don't know what she had in her bag. And again it's worth remembering that pipe bombs were found in the Capitol.Because her hands were clearly visible on the video.
I certainly hope this taints all members of his "clan" or anyone even loosely associated with him beyond any chance of a significant political career. Let them all go down with him. I wouldn't hold my breath though, anything is possible over there.The amazing thing about all of this is that straight after the election both the Republicans and Trump were actually in quite a good position (annoyingly). They had won more votes than expected and increased their votes with women and minorities. The election was in no manner a total rejection of Trump and if he had left fairly graciously than ‘Trumpism’ might have made a return to politics very time soon. Now that is completely gone (I hope) , I can’t see a situation where the name Trump is taken seriously in politics anymore and almost certainly rules out his son or daughter ever becoming President.
I don't see what the problem is either - she was no doubt warned but didn't listen. I'm just surprised and thankful more people didn't end up shot.The police officer wasn't watching the video, you don't know what he sees and you don't know what she had in her bag. And again it's worth remembering that pipe bombs were found in the Capitol.
So at a barricaded door, in which the police and secret service with guns drawn had clearly drawn a "no-one passes" line, they should in fact just let anyone in if they can see their hands and show the angry mob that it's just an empty threat?Stood trespassing, but arms clearly visible stood on the barricade. What a threat. Obviously deserved to die because other people were committing more serious crimes.
She wasn't at that moment was she?
“Non threading invaders.” Wit?So do your protections only extend to politicians in the federal government or to local government or state government? Do judges get the right to have non-threatening invaders shot dead?
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The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).
You need to follow my posts back to see the specific video I’m discussing. It was footage shot much later at night, on the streets, presumably enforcing curfew? This was separate to the extremely light touch policing in/around the Capitol earlier in the day.Honestly even then I struggle to follow you. In many countries, European countries, the police would clatter everything in sight if a mob tries to forcibly enter parliament. I totally disagree with your sentiment here, the level of violence is fairly low when you consider the context even at an early stage. There is a reason why this kind of things rarely happen, it's because most people have the common sense to forsee the consequences and risks involved. Some of you are trivialising it by calling these people protesters.
At what point would she be classed as a threat in your eyes?Was she a threat to anyone at the moment she was shot? Could she have been removed without being shot?
If you know that she wasn't a real threat and a lesser amount of force could be used ask yourself why is it acceptable to use deadly force and why would people cheer for it?
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