DavidDeSchmikes
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Are you insinuating this is a lot?his budget curry cost 22quid apparently.
I’m not sure how people manage to live in Brisbane. I was there last year (I actually posted on pg 1 of this thread expressing reservations at flying through Taiwan on the way there) and it just the most brutally humid place I have ever been. The city doesn’t really compare with other Aussie cities eitherCentral Brisbane yesterday.
I didn't find it skewed. What benefit would a wee gap at the bottom make? Each data set runs against the same axis (if we're talking about the same graph) and all years remain visible. I don't see the issue.It is when its comparing 2 sets of data. that graph is intended to highlight how much worse it is compared to previous years and not having it start at zero clearly skews the perspective.
Brisbane isn't anywhere near as hot or humid as further North on average. I lived in Townsville for nearly a decade and there are only a couple of months where it is too hot/humidity and 4 then you live in air-conditioning and a pool is great to have.I’m not sure how people manage to live in Brisbane. I was there last year (I actually posted on pg 1 of this thread expressing reservations at flying through Taiwan on the way there) and it just the most brutally humid place I have ever been. The city doesn’t really compare with other Aussie cities either
Starting at 0 can make the data much harder to read.I didn't find it skewed. What benefit would a wee gap at the bottom make? Each data set runs against the same axis (if we're talking about the same graph) and all years remain visible. I don't see the issue.
As an aside, I'm a professional analyst and often compare data sets on axes that don't start at 0, so I imagine I'd do your head in.
Ha!!Something vaguely covid related that made me smile this morning. My son is at Uni in the US and his sports team are about to start a shortened and delayed season. As part of that they have to live within a team bubble and get a covid test weekly. He sent us the results this morning which were "mostly good news" the cheeky fecker.
Your son testing HIV positive made you smile?Something vaguely covid related that made me smile this morning. My son is at Uni in the US and his sports team are about to start a shortened and delayed season. As part of that they have to live within a team bubble and get a covid test weekly. He sent us the results this morning which were "mostly good news" the cheeky fecker.
Was that a joke from him? Or is he actually HIV positive?Something vaguely covid related that made me smile this morning. My son is at Uni in the US and his sports team are about to start a shortened and delayed season. As part of that they have to live within a team bubble and get a covid test weekly. He sent us the results this morning which were "mostly good news" the cheeky fecker.
So, one of my work colleagues had the virus. Had symptoms, took a test, self isolated. Stopped having symptoms after a week. All is good.1. From what I have read. It worries me that that the whole government covid strategy for the past year has been based off this PCR test when the test itself is ran to such a high cycle threshold that it can detect dead fragments of the virus. Thus, we don't know the true case numbers. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
Yes - a crap jokeWas that a joke from him? Or is he actually HIV positive?
It was a joke. Rather obviously.Your son testing HIV positive made you smile?
I do think the symptoms list needs updating. The number of people who now report - headache, and then headcold, loss of appetite/gastric upset as their main symptoms is increasing.So...
I ask the caf.
I it not time the UK Government update their symptoms list
Should not anyone who has a cough/cold/snotty nose/gastric issue have to stay home and book a test now?
It seems ridiculous that they are only looking for a "new continuous cough," a "loss of taste and smell," or a high temperature.
Someone at work had a "head cold" and tested positive on an asymptomatic test
But we have these rapid tests! Rapid tests that work on people with symptoms but basically do not work on the asymptomaticI do think the symptoms list needs updating. The number of people who now report - headache, and then headcold, loss of appetite/gastric upset as their main symptoms is increasing.
I do wonder how much of this new mutation's extra spreading capability might come down to the symptoms changing rather than its transmissibility as such.
That said - the testing system is already under massive strain so I doubt it can handle everyone who has a cold as well.
Arguably though - that's the point of a lockdown. You're not just walking about.But we have these rapid tests! Rapid tests that work on people with symptoms but basically do not work on the asymptomatic
One can come up with one's own system of using PCR and lateral flow but I don't think there is anyway we should be letting people with symptoms other than the"three" walk about at this point
Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental condition?Your son testing HIV positive made you smile?
There's data for England hereHas anyone got any statistics on how many total fatalities per age group in the UK.
Thanks.There's data for England here
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
No but my wife thinks that I might be on the spectrumHave you ever been diagnosed with a mental condition?
Your reasoning may be confusing for some because you raise two very different points:The question is to what level you're willing to impinge of people's liberties and how much safer would that make them. On the one extreme you have people that would be happy for the government to pass laws preventing people from leaving their house, enforcing it with the military and imprisoning people for failing to comply (China effectively). On the other extreme you have people who don't believe the virus exists at all. As is often the case both extremes scare the shit out of me.
It would be interesting to see what level of safety differing people would be willing to give up their freedoms to achieve. Would some people accept annual restrictions to reduce the yearly NHS crises? Whilst not comparable to covid excess deaths in England/Wales in the Winter of 2017/2018 were estimated at 50,100. Should we have locked down back then in hindsight? Should we have to wear masks every Winter?
My view in that scenario would be no. I would not "give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety". Although my response was the same to the swath of restrictions brought under the guise of protecting us from terrorism.
In terms of the Covid response I think it's been all over the place. I think restrictions have been made based on zero data that are likely to have actually worsened the problem (e.g. 10pm curfew). I think that restrictions have been brought in without thought as to compliance which again would have worsened the problem, meaning a lighter restriction would counter-intuitively see greater compliance and reduced spread (e.g. plunging London into tier four on 19th, causing thousands of people to flee, spreading the new strain across the country). I think that some restrictions have been placed where the social/economic cost is far worse than the benefit (e.g. closing Covid secure hospitality venues and forcing people to drink together in their homes). We're also applying the same rules to differing categories of risk which to me is inane. My risk profile (having not been within 2 metres of anyone 70+ since March) is completely different to a care home worker and yet we're treated equally. For me that means cracking a pistachio with a sledge hammer; for them the rules may well have been too lax throughout.
I have been grouped here into the "people who don't respect the healthcare system and the deaths".Its the transparency of the whole saga which has been most worrying for me. People with legitimate concerns over the the flaws in the PCR test, the constant lockdowns or the efficacy of the vaccine seemed to be have been grouped into the "Covidiots" total hoax/anti vax group without a fair hearing. The government response to the crisis has been shameful and their lack of communication to people with valid questions is pathetic. The media doesn't seem to be much better with a constant focus on creating the "scariest/most fear mongering" headline they can devise.
Yeah I don’t think there has been much fearmongering. People seem to think that actually reporting news and estimates is fearmongering when it’s actually... news.
The population can be divided into different categories in terms of the way they absorb information about Covid.If anything people aren't scared enough. There's so little respect or worry, more annoyance that we're in the situation.
Democracy is based on the trust citizens place on politicians and the political system. Individuals are free to distrust politicians or be sceptical about some topics for good or bad reasons, and they are not always "Conspiracy theorists".1. What’s the concern about false positives?Who gives a shit? Seriously. Conspiracy muppets have been banging this drum for ages. Trying to pretend this epidemic isn’t as serious as it seems. Now we have hospitals literally on their knees and it still worries you that some people might have been inconvenienced by being asked to restrict their movements when it might not have been necessary. That’s what worries you?!
Your question is legitimate about the efficiency of a test but more critical aspects are:1. I was just giving my general view of the whole thing so far. I suppose concern was the wrong word. I was interested in the effectiveness and accuracy of the PCR test during 2020. I wasn't trying to link the issues of PCR test to the situation we have now. I was just skeptical over the PCR test numbers that occurred throughout 2020. I just wanted to make sure that the data was correct and hear other opinions on it. Obviously the position we are in now shows that Covid is once again rising.
In France, a test is mandatory for somebody identified as a contact of person tested positive.I think you are worrying over nothing Wilford.you are only meant to take a test *when you have symptoms* (or in other specific situations).
Not when you come into contact with someone with the virus.
Not when a family member gets the virus. Not when you want to go back to work. If you have symptoms and you test positive that's two pieces of evidence you have the virus, not just one. The far far far bigger problem is no one understands the rules
When?In France, a test is mandatory for somebody identified as a contact of person tested positive.
That’s correct. Close contacts should ideally be tested twice. Asap and then again, a week later.When?
I read that before 4-5 days of contact/infection the virus may not show up, even using PCR
Re-reading the first page. This was eerily prophetic. He did survive, didn’t he?!?if i was infected by this virus i would simply fight it off using my immune system
Dying with the vaccine, dying without the vaccine. Options are limited indeedThe new bollocks around Facebook is people are dying of the vaccine.
How does Berlin look in comparison to say London?Germany has hit 40k deaths today...their population is roughly 25% larger than ours.
We have double the death count.
Todays figures:
508 deaths
55k new cases
Or is itIt’s obviously a joke!
No.The question is to what level you're willing to impinge of people's liberties and how much safer would that make them.
On the one extreme you have people that would be happy for the government to pass laws preventing people from leaving their house, enforcing it with the military and imprisoning people for failing to comply (China effectively).
On the other extreme you have people who don't believe the virus exists at all.
As is often the case both extremes scare the shit out of me.
Just saw reports where some people reacted badly days after taking the shot. Are they false reports?The new bollocks around Facebook is people are dying of the vaccine.