Queen and Prince Philip vaccinated earlier today.
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So the example of the media over emphasising things at the moment consists of a woman on a radio phone in?Things can be serious and people (like Piers Morgan) can still be shamelessly fear mongering, the two ain't mutually exclusive.
For example that women that went on the radio and falsely claimed/implied children were starting to be admitted to hospital in serious numbers, if the president of the royal college of paediatrics and child health didn't quickly rebuff that they'd be parents in their thousands if not millions right now panicking on the strength of misinformation.
I'd expect the usual anti royal stuff to follow, but this is good for them, and if it sways just a few more of espcially the older generation to have then even better.Queen and Prince Philip vaccinated earlier today.
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Would be weird in fairness if there anti-royal stuff following this. Not like its William who's received it, they'd both be right in line to receive the vaccine now even if they were totally normal citizens.I'd expect the usual anti royal stuff to follow, but this is good for them, and if it sways just a few more of espcially the older generation to have then even better.
It was an example off the top of my head, I've also used an example of a presenter who's been systematically scaremongering the nation for the best part of a year.So the example of the media over emphasising things at the moment consists of a woman on a radio phone in?
I agree, and hope that is the case.Would be weird in fairness if there anti-royal stuff following this. Not like its William who's received it, they'd both be right in line to receive the vaccine now even if they were totally normal citizens.
1. From what I have read. It worries me that that the whole government covid strategy for the past year has been based off this PCR test when the test itself is ran to such a high cycle threshold that it can detect dead fragments of the virus. Thus, we don't know the true case numbers. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.1. What’s the concern about false positives?Who gives a shit? Seriously. Conspiracy muppets have been banging this drum for ages. Trying to pretend this epidemic isn’t as serious as it seems. Now we have hospitals literally on their knees and it still worries you that some people might have been inconvenienced by being asked to restrict their movements when it might not have been necessary. That’s what worries you?!
2. Pharma companies will post all the clinical study reports online. They’ve been doing it for the last several years. All the data has been submitted to the regulators already though. So what’s your concern here?
From what I have read, the PCR test can still detect fragments of the dead virus. Surely, if you mass test certain parts of the population, you will find healthy people in this situation?So with regards to the first point, do you feel that people are being misdiagnosed with Covid when they have another serious respiratory illness? Or that they don't have any serious illness at all?
Remember "kawasaki disease"? The BBC loved that for about a fortnight.Things can be serious and people (like Piers Morgan) can still be shamelessly fear mongering, the two ain't mutually exclusive.
For example that women that went on the radio and falsely claimed/implied children were starting to be admitted to hospital in serious numbers, if the president of the royal college of paediatrics and child health didn't quickly rebuff that they'd be parents in their thousands if not millions right now panicking on the strength of misinformation.
Bloody queue jumpersI'd expect the usual anti royal stuff to follow, but this is good for them, and if it sways just a few more of espcially the older generation to have then even better.
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It's a perfectly sensible thing to do if 0 is not relevant in the data range.Its clearly worse.. a lot worse.. but this is just to say I reserve a special amount of hatred for people who use charts that don't start at 0.
Agreed. I think a big failure has been the messaging from a public health point of view, the masses became massively tired of the situation by around June/July.If anything people aren't scared enough. There's so little respect or worry, more annoyance that we're in the situation.
Bigger than old Trafford,the 2nd largest stadium in the country, for reference.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55605173
80k deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the UK.
Didn't think it was that high at all. Had stopped following the death counts for a few months
People can test positive after they stop being infectious (not spreading live virus any more) if that's what you mean. That can go on for a week or two, or even longer in some individuals.From what I have read, the PCR test can still detect fragments of the dead virus. Surely, if you mass test certain parts of the population, you will find healthy people in this situation?
Again, I'm happy to be corrected.
It is when its comparing 2 sets of data. that graph is intended to highlight how much worse it is compared to previous years and not having it start at zero clearly skews the perspective.It's a perfectly sensible thing to do if 0 is not relevant in the data range.
It isn't as easy as turning on a tap and finding skilled ICU nurses. Staffing levels have been ignored consistently by the government over the past decade, you need to go back as far as 4-5 years ago to have an impact on staffing levels today.Why did the government not invest more into staff/beds in the summer rather than ploughing on with the vanity Nightingale project?
I still don't really know what freedoms people were "given" in the run up to Christmas (apart from two thirds of the country on Christmas day, by which point we were already up a creek without a paddle). Restrictions have been getting continuously more onerous since the November lockdown ended. Over that period and despite progressively strong measures, cases have only increased.The question was whether you believe that people being afforded more freedom in the build-up to and during Christmas was a major contributor to this spread, and whether that tells you anything about individuals' ability to make these risk assessments?
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What on earth is a good day?what am I missing ?
Surely the Queen getting vaccinated is big news..
UK hit 80k total deaths today....and another almost 60k cases - nothing great on the covid front todaywhat am I missing ?
Surely the Queen getting vaccinated is big news..
The Queen is 94 and Phil the Greek is 99, so I'm surprised they haven't been vaccinated before now to be honest. They have minds of their own though, maybe they took a bit of convincing, like a lot of others. Or maybe the docs kept going to the wrong address and they were always in a different palace.what am I missing ?
Surely the Queen getting vaccinated is big news..
What on earth is a good day?
Oh. ok. I saw the twitter bio -UK hit 80k total deaths today....and another almost 60k cases - nothing great on the covid front today
Assumed the good day was in relation to some ramping up in vaccine deployment .Minister for Business & Industry and COVID Vaccine Deployment
Waited for their own doctor to bring round the vaccine (probably AZ), rather than queuing up outside a hospital where they're using Pfizer. Same as most other oldies living in state run carehomes.The Queen is 94 and Phil the Greek is 99, so I'm surprised they haven't been vaccinated before now to be honest. They have minds of their own though, maybe they took a bit of convincing, like a lot of others. Or maybe the docs kept going to the wrong address and they were always in a different palace.
Aye, that's a fair point. I guess the chronic under funding of key sectors in the NHS over many years has resulted in this mess. You could probably go back further than ten years to see cuts in staffs/beds numbers. Also I remember SEN and SNR nursing positions being abolished which surely had an impact.It isn't as easy as turning on a tap and finding skilled ICU nurses. Staffing levels have been ignored consistently by the government over the past decade, you need to go back as far as 4-5 years ago to have an impact on staffing levels today.
We all know these types. Luckily for most of us we can just hide their nonsense on social media or not deal with them.Ive just fallen out with my brother.
I have finally snapped with his Covid denial - lockdown protest bullshit. Repeating twitter bullshit as gospel but criticises anyone else that may you know listen to a doctor or someone that actually knows what they are talking about. Not feckin Karen from Facebook.
I havent been so fecking angry in years. I feel like driving to his house to punch his lights out the complete imbecile.
The world is fecked and he becomes the type of prick that is exacerbating the problem. Posting videos of the English police going into someones house claiming its in Ireland and that our right are being trod on as we are in lock down. Refuses to read any sort of credibly sources news or medical professionals opinions, wont look at the videos of health care staff on their knees. A selfish prick and I am so disgusted with him. I am ashamed of him. Livid. I have left the family whatsapp now as its making me want to smash him the arsehole.
I hope he gets a fecking horrible dose of it
Needed extra time to see of it was compatibile with lizard DNAThe Queen is 94 and Phil the Greek is 99, so I'm surprised they haven't been vaccinated before now to be honest. They have minds of their own though, maybe they took a bit of convincing, like a lot of others. Or maybe the docs kept going to the wrong address and they were always in a different palace.
Isn't the data more promising from the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines? Surely the queen would be getting the best available.. I'm sure transporting a small amount for the queen wouldnt be that hard even with the temperature requirements.Waited for their own doctor to bring round the vaccine (probably AZ), rather than queuing up outside a hospital where they're using Pfizer. Same as most other oldies living in state run carehomes.
People seem to think that the main stream media can't be trusted to present the actual truth rather than some agenda. Some agenda that somehow tows the party line of the government/other conspirators even though the media are constantly moaning about how the same government are dealing with things!Yeah I don’t think there has been much fearmongering. People seem to think that actually reporting news and estimates is fearmongering when it’s actually... news.
More to do with the fact he is saying today is a great day with the news coming a hour or so again that the death toll is over 80,000what am I missing ?
Surely the Queen getting vaccinated is big news..
I thought the raw data has literally been released?1. The lack of clarity over the operational false positive of the PCR tests. The government doesn't seem to have released this data. I want to know whether the test is fit for purpose.
2. Concerning vaccines, the media went into a frenzy over "95%" efficacy rates. However, the lack of raw data from the vaccine companies is very worrying and the fact it won't be released anytime soon.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/0...ccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/
Not sure what the concern is?From what I have read, the PCR test can still detect fragments of the dead virus. Surely, if you mass test certain parts of the population, you will find healthy people in this situation?
Again, I'm happy to be corrected.
1. Even if PCR testing gives an appallingly vague indicator of the real number of cases* it still acts as a canary in the coal mine. As I said, the false positive issue was something that covid denialists bored on about all year. Trying to imply the epidemic is much less serious than it seems. So I can’t really understand why this would bother you right now, with hospitals completely in the shit and absolutely no doubt that this virus can quickly overwhelm the health service. We can all see that the massive surge in cases over the last several weeks - as detected by PCR - has translated into thousands of people dead and dying in ITUs up and down the country. Explain to me again why the possibility that a proportion of the surge in cases that warned us this catastrophe was coming might have been false positives is something that worries you? Because to me - as worries go - that one seems completely redundant.1. From what I have read. It worries me that that the whole government covid strategy for the past year has been based off this PCR test when the test itself is ran to such a high cycle threshold that it can detect dead fragments of the virus. Thus, we don't know the true case numbers. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
Of course the situation is now very serious with hospitals, I'm not denying that. I'm questioning the lack of transparency shown by this government. To put it bluntly I don't trust them.
2. The concern over the vaccine is how effective it will be. The linked article raises concerns over this. I don't believe there is any harm in being skeptical over a newly produced vaccine.
Kawasaki disease is the closest thing to what SARS-CoV-2 does to your body. The cell walls of the blood vessel break down and the Von Willebrand factor dumps into the blood and causes clotting. The tiny capillaries in the lungs that bring in oxygen are especially susceptible. This video gets into what’s going on inside the cell that leads to oxidization in the blood stream.Remember "kawasaki disease"? The BBC loved that for about a fortnight.
1. Even if PCR testing gives an appallingly vague indicator of the real number of cases* it still acts as a canary in the coal mine. As I said, the false positive issue was something that covid denialists bored on about all year. Trying to imply the epidemic is much less serious than it seems. So I can’t really understand why this would bother you right now, with hospitals completely in the shit and absolutely no doubt that this virus can quickly overwhelm the health service. We can all see that the massive surge in cases over the last several weeks - as detected by PCR - has translated into thousands of people dead and dying in ITUs up and down the country. Explain to me again why the possibility that a proportion of the surge in cases that warned us this catastrophe was coming might have been false positives is something that worries you? Because to me - as worries go - that one seems completely redundant.
2. People who are way smarter than you or me have gone through the data with a fine tooth comb and are happy that the benefit outweighs the risk. The results of every clinical trial on every intervention ever can be criticised. There is no such thing as flawless clinical data. It is also very rare to see efficacy as clearly demonstrated as we’ve seen with the mRNA vaccines so far. Assuming you’re willing to take any other medicine, to treat any other condition, I wouldn’t be too worried about taking these vaccines. Especially if you’re in the high risk groups who will be getting vaccinated early. The risk from getting the virus are so high it’s as close as you’ll ever get to a no-brainer in medicine. Hence physicians - who make a career out of interpreting data like this - are literally queuing up to get injected.
*it isn’t
Well the brief response to your concerns about PCR false positives is that it’s an extremely accurate test and false positives will only ever cause issues if/when we get the viral load in the community considerably lower than it has been for the last several months.1. I was just giving my general view of the whole thing so far. I suppose concern was the wrong word. I was interested in the effectiveness and accuracy of the PCR test during 2020. I wasn't trying to link the issues of PCR test to the situation we have now. I was just skeptical over the PCR test numbers that occurred throughout 2020. I just wanted to make sure that the data was correct and hear other opinions on it. Obviously the position we are in now shows that Covid is once again rising.
Love it.Waited for their own doctor to bring round the vaccine (probably AZ), rather than queuing up outside a hospital where they're using Pfizer. Same as most other oldies living in state run carehomes.