Same for me. I don't get the outrage from wumminator tbh.
Zlatan tells Lukaku "‘Go do your voodoo s***, you little donkey"
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‘Go to your wooden shed’ is the most bizarre thing I’ve heard during fighting talk 
For some reason it’s made me laugh, a lot.
For some reason it’s made me laugh, a lot.
I always had a feeling, that for the majority of people at least, voodoo is associated with “dark magic”, “mysterious practices” and “evil”, not with ethnic origin of any kind...
Eh? we don’t get the same result ffs. That’s what we’re telling you, have you no fecking idea how google works?
My voodoo history is thinking it was an Indian thing, until I was like 14, cause you know...
Monkey Island taught me the black side of it.
My google search is fancy dress in New Orleans and a shit load of dolls.
Is it not the kind of insult you could throw at say a white woman that thinks they can speak to dead people for example?
The first 12 of images in my search 25% are either pictures of black people or referencing Africa in some way.
Yeah not gonna lie "voodoo shit" is kinda racist.
But there is the real life incidence too so maybe Zlatan's intent was to mock him about that.
Irresponsible and dumb comment regardless.
Why is there so much bad blood between Lukaku and Zlatan? I remember him calling Lukaku's first touch shite a few months ago.
But there is the real life incidence too so maybe Zlatan's intent was to mock him about that.
Irresponsible and dumb comment regardless.
Why is there so much bad blood between Lukaku and Zlatan? I remember him calling Lukaku's first touch shite a few months ago.
Well, both have extremely huge egos so thats no surprise to see them going at it. Man, our squad must have been hanging on by a thread when these two were here at the same time.
You can’t fool us Zlatan
Why do so many members on here like like to be deliberately obtuse when it comes to racism?
Of course telling a black person to do"voodoo sh*t" is racist. What planet are you guys living on? If Ibrahimovic was referencing a untrue racist rumour started by an idiot it is still racist. I know a lot of you don't like Lukaku but this is a new low.
Of course telling a black person to do"voodoo sh*t" is racist. What planet are you guys living on? If Ibrahimovic was referencing a untrue racist rumour started by an idiot it is still racist. I know a lot of you don't like Lukaku but this is a new low.
Ok, I see. What do you think Zlatan is saying by "go do your voodoo shit", then, do you think he's using it to make the specific point the original racist one did? I.e. that Lukaku is a hypocrite, not trustworthy or something?
I said it in the other thread but I genuinely wouldn't have made the connection, its something I know nothing about so I'm struggling to see the racism but I'll defer to people who have more knowledge.
Lukaku never looked like someone with a huge ego, no more than your average footballer. Guess I was wrong there.
Add Mourinho and Mino to the mix and its no wonder it ended up like it did.
For feck sake.. this is infuriating! Really hate to see theese pictures!
This should not be allowed on a football pitch!!
Ponytail!?!?!?
This should not be allowed on a football pitch!!
Ponytail!?!?!?
Impossible to say what he's referring to. Only Lukaku and Zlatan can answer that.
Reckon if Lukaku felt it was racially motivated he would have said something so might be the latter.
Zlatan is clearly referencing the voodoo story started by Farhad Moshiri, but that is also problematic, because that story was obviously racist. Ask yourself if a white player would have been accused of a handing in a transfer request because a voodoo message told him to.
I don't believe donkey is racist, though. That is used for all footballers with a certain clumsiness and lack of technique.
I don't believe donkey is racist, though. That is used for all footballers with a certain clumsiness and lack of technique.
I’m certain an entire generation of us in the 80’s grew up thinking it was an Indian thing cause of Indiana Jones. Wummy though, he thinks everyone lived the exact same life as his shit 90’s child one, he probably thinks the Crystal Skull is the best Indy movie.
The problem I'd have with deferring here is we're just gonna end up asking the people who spend their days looking for racist things.
No one is talking about Lukaku being a male chauvinist pig. To say that you will “f..ck someones wife” is basically threatening to rape her. It also somewhat implies that he will punish people using his d..ck. If people get upset about alleged racist comments they should also get upset by comments as the above.
It's probably 'call your mom and do voodoo shit in the wooden shed'. This way all lip readers are happy.
“People of all races can have epicanthic folds so actually the “Asian eyes” gesture isn’t racist.”
Everytime I watch it I change my mind. Now I'm convinced he says voodoo shit.
“Remember that time when someone made up a racist lie about you and you were really offended by it. I’ll repeat that lie to get under your skin.”I once again find myself in uncharted waters with racism nuances. A comment by Moshiri was surely racist (if it wasn't true, mind, but that's a bit hard to believe in) — as it was a generalisation based on Lukaku's heritage/ethnicity.
But when Ibra uses it, it's the opposite of a generalisation — it's a very direct dig at a situation that happened with Lukaku and no one else (unless you believe that Ibra has made a random racist comment that miraculously mirrored an actual scandalous situation that happened with Lukaku — again, that's highly unlikely); it doesn't allude to his race etc., but to a real story from Lukaku's life.
And then there's a bit that confuses me though. If Moshiri's comment was racist, did Ibra made a second-hand racist comment? Or, since it wasn't officially disputed in court (like Lukaku threatened to) and Moshiri hasn't apologised for it, is it a fair game for Ibra to use it?
Personally, I'd probably go with intent and I'm pretty sure that Ibra was going for a direct hit to Lukaku's personal history rather than on his race (if only for a simple reason that real situations tend to hurt more), but I'm open to people trying to argue otherwise.
P.S. none of that wooden shed lunacy, please
P.P.S. I'd also argue that the voodoo story in itself isn't trying to offend Lukaku on the base of his race, it's meant to highlight his hypocrisy (as in... wanted to go to Chelsea, but chose United's money); what makes it racist is that Moshiri uses voodoo instead of any other possible reason for the original decision to join Chelsea
I’m not sure how this interpretation makes it not racist.
My first thought is people that think they talk to the dead etc. Absolutely zero to do with any skin colour or religion.
That's what I'd associate voodoo with and if I heard lulaku had some voodoo experience to leave Everton I'd be thinking he's sitting a round table with 5 or 6 people holding hands with some woman leading the way telling him what he wants hear and charging a complete fortune for it and I would have had no issue throwing it in his face for an insult.
I would never ever have made the jump to racism.
Maybe replace huge ego with fragile ego/thin skinned?
He basically shared the club's confidential player data to show us that he's not slow on social media. That just screams that he's greatly affected by the words of others.
Just glad these two aren't our problem anymore. Our squad harmony is the best its been since Fergie's days.
For context, in Africa the vast majority of people generally declare one monotheist religion(Islam or catholicism) but they also have a traditional/local belief fetishism/animism and it's part of normal life, people see these marabous for council or protection.
How about just google the definition?
"a religion practised in parts of the Caribbean and the southern US, combining elements of Roman Catholic ritual with traditional African magical and religious rites, and characterized by sorcery and spirit possession."
It's not a matter of opinion just because a few people seem to be wildly or wilfully misinformed. I'd say it's convenient given the posters though.
“Haha! Look at “Wummy” he actually knows what he is talking about and understands that voodoo is intrinsically linked with stereotypes about black culture - what a fool” isn’t the win you seem to think it is.
I just plotted in Voodoo and shared my first image result. It's not until the 14th image that there is image of a black man in a vodoo ceremony. Before that it's all dolls and white people dressed up in Voodoo attire. However I know it originated in Africa, but it's been subject to so much cultural appropriration that when I hear about voodoo, I just think about someone practicing some sort witchcraft, I don't automatically link it to ethnicity/skin colour.
What if he said wooden shit?
Yes but Lukaku clearly said it was untrue and voodoo was not part has no part in his life or his beliefs. I think what your saying is the point though it is associated with African and Caribbean people , Moshiri only said voodoo because of the colour of his skin and Zlatan repeated that slur.
Considering they both had little money growing up it would have been a stupid comment.
Imagine what a bizarre closed life you must live to think everyone has the same thoughts about you, I mean Wummy thinks voodoo = black culture so everyone must think that.
That’s utterly bizarre to me.
As I say, my first thought is Indiana Jones (India) and Monkey Island (afro-Caribbean lady). I can absolutely understand if other people think of other things because they haven’t all lived the exact same fecking life as me.
This isn’t to say Zlatan repeating what might have been banter as teammates in a heated argument isn’t stupid as feck, it is.
Nah, it was a comment referring to Lukaku's weight issues.
I think it's completely wrong calling people racist just because they don't understand or know a certain phrase is racist. We can't expect every person in the world to know everything about every culture and know everything that would be offensive.
As I said, I didn't understand how it is racist, but I'm prepared to defer to someone better educated on this particular subject matter. That doesn't mean I'm racist like you infer I am
Hold me back, hold me back
Closed life innit.
I understand the connection, but understand if other don’t. You can never understand others, big difference.
Voodoo may refer to:
Religions
See also: Afro-American religion for a list of related religions which are sometimes called or mistaken for Vodou/Voodoo, such as Santería or Candomblé.
- Candomblé Jejé, also known as Brazilian Vodum, one of the major branches (nations) of Candomblé
- Tambor de Mina, a syncretic religion that developed in northern Brazil
- Cuban Vodú, a syncretic religion that developed in the Spanish Empire
- Dominican Vudú, a syncretic religion that developed in the Spanish Empire
- Haitian Vodou, a syncretic religion practiced chiefly in Haiti
- Louisiana Voodoo or New Orleans Voodoo, a set of African-based spiritual folkways
- West African Vodun, practiced by Gbe-speaking ethnic groups of Africa
voodoo is a religion? I just thought it was some crazy crap sticking pins in dolls. It's been laughed at ever since I was a kid, I'm not sure I'm going to suddenly start respecting it because it happens to come from a certain culture. Maybe popular tv took it and made it westernised or something, I never remember as a kid this being associated with Africa.
I can't believe people in here are so quick to jump on the racist bandwagon, what is racist about saying go back to your wooden shed, thats were donkeys live after all?