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Sat, 30 January 2021

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this is possibly even worse than the last game. we used to come back strong from defeats, but now it's 'okay it safe and try not to lose'. but let's be honest, we've been dreadful for a while now.

We're looking now and more like the back end of last season when we were tired and scraping through games until we weren't.

Just like then, there's no rotation, no subs no changes and no ideas. we're trying the same stuff with the same people and running players into the ground.

at some point, Ole needs to give others a run out - even if we don't win, we're not winning at the moment, and giving Rashford, Fernandes etc a couple of games off might give us a long term boost.
 

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As much as I despise our board, am I ever glad OGS has not been given a new contract. I hope it stays that way.
 

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Never start rashford on the right. Why do that? He’s half the left winger! Unlucky with some chances especially cavani. But arsenal played well too. Fair result
 

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When Rashford was scoring consistently people wouldn't hear it. They were willing to wilfully cover their eyes and and their ears with their heads buried in the sand. It was impossible to tell them that a player can be very good at scoring goals regularly and at the same time demonstrate glaring weaknesses in every single one of those games.......

But now that Rashford isn't scoring, somehow only now is it possible to take on that kind of criticism? I've been saying it for ages. Where's the evidence of an improvement in his decision making? "Oh but you can't expect that, he's still developing.". Of course no one was asking him to be the final product, but just that his general game shows obvious signs of improvement outside of an increase of goals.

- Where's the improvement of headed goals? He's just as ineffective with his head than three years ago.

- How about final third decision making? We all know the answer to that one. There's one pass in every game breaking down a great counter.

- Passing? Still the same passes blocked, intercepted and leaving us vulnerable on the counter.

- Off-the-ball runs? That goal Salah scored against us the other game? The one slipping between defenders for a through-ball? Not a chance you'll see that run from him for the pass.

Wants it to feet just like Martial. Static. But he's capable of the sublime at any moment so it's all good.......right?
 

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Cavani cannot miss that first chance, it's an absolute sitter. Also, it's not a coincidence that Bruno has lost its park and all of a sudden we don't look like world beaters anymore. He carried us on his back for a year but he's been poor the whole of January other than that beautiful free kick against Liverpool.

Also, we look tired. I'm really worried for the game against Southampton because the players don't seem to have a lot left in the tank.
 

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Ole needs to swap it around. Playing with the same players upfront aint working.
I would try 3-5-2 as 4-2-3-1 isnt working.
Play Lindelof Bailley and Maguire, AWB and Shaw the width and further up the pitch. Pogba Bruno and VDB middle, with Greenwood and Cavani upfront.
Give VDB licence to get into and around the box every attack, like he did for Ajax.
3 CD should negate the need for a DM. This also doesnt leave us relying on Martial/Rashford to usually not score every week.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
 

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Decent performance, but we can`t score at the moment.

A big blow to lose Scott so early, thought he looked good at the start and Pogba can do more damage further up the pitch. Think we looked better before that happened.

Arsenal are in good form but thought we were better and were closer to win. Can`t be too upset after all.
Agreed. Certainly not as bad as some people here are saying.
 

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Cavani cannot miss that first chance, it's an absolute sitter. Also, it's not a coincidence that Bruno has lost its park and all of a sudden we don't look like world beaters anymore. He carried us on his back for a year but he's been poor the whole of January other than that beautiful free kick against Liverpool.

Also, we look tired. I'm really worried for the game against Southampton because the players don't seem to have a lot left in the tank.
We've never looked like world beaters.
 

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What a disappointing interview from Ole. He seems to be happy with that - such crap!

What's his problem saying that this was 2 points dropped. Maybe his attitude is setting in the malaise on not going for the jugular in these games.
 

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Disappointing but not as bad as all that.

Had a few chances to score but came close to conceding a few times. Draw seems fair and I would have taken that really as I couldn’t stand the thought of losing to these dicks again.
That's the kind of thing which said in our last game, against the worst team in league.
You can't keep having bad games.
We are now 3 pts behind MCFC and they have a game in hand, which in their current form, they are likely to win.
I can only see us dropping down the league, now.
The other issue is Bruno: if he plays badly, we play badly, so we can only hope that he starts creating and scoring goals again.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
I'm massively relieved and pleased we didn't lose. We certainly could have lost it with the chances we gave them. I think that's me being positive about it. I tried.
 

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We are not a gegenpressing team. If we were to win it would have been a 1-0 or 2-1.

I am still Ole in but i just think that if we had Guardiola or Flick, we would be much better.

We are relying on individual good play to score and not collective good play.

I still thought it was a much better performance than against SU.
In other news water is wet.
Ole is very limited and we wont win anything with him in charge. Loved him as a player, but hes a championship manager who got lucky last season with Bruno after he nearly fecked that up. When Bruno hasnt been firing Utd havent been firing.
 

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Its a mentality thing. If we were 1-0 down going into the last 10 minutes, I bet the players would try harder. So the players just dont seem to want it enough.
Even when they show more intent, most of our goals come down to outstanding individual plays, errors from the other side, or penalties. We are just not good enough at breaking down a well organized defense, we struggle to create and to take the few chances we create. To me, our troubles fall more under “we lack a system” category than “the players are not trying category”.
 

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In case there is anyone still in doubt ....GET HAALAND !!!

Don‘t care who we sell or what it costs
It would be great if we could, but he's almost nailed on for Madrid and with him being a Raiola player, Utd are out of the picture now.
 

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î dont get the "snorefest" remarks. first half in total control against an arsenal that is clearly on the up again. second half a quite open game with good chances on both sides. all in all we were the better side with more clearcut chances and should have won. sadly thre title charge is over for now but to be honest we were always the asolute outside bet. hope we go on a run now again and lets see where we can get
Taken in islotion, 1 point isn't too bad a result.
But when you consider that we have scored 1 point from 6, in our last 2 league games. And also I heard the commentator say that we have won only 1 game in the last 4 league games (since hitting top spot).
We also know that MCFC are hitting top gear, now.
LCFC could win against Leeds tomorrow and if they do, they'll overtake us in the league.
Take all of this into account and you can see how bad it's looking for us.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
It's actually not a bad result but, as with the game against Liverpool at Anfield, you kind of think 'well, we're at full strength, no injuries and they're missing a lot of key players....was this a missed opportunity or should we be happy we didn't lose?'.

A point isn't bad. Either team could have nicked it. I will say tiredness could really end up fecking this season over for us. Some of the players look knackered and we're only halfway through the campaign.
 

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Still dont think ive watched us play really well in a game this season other than Leeds.

Painful to watch players who are paid a fortune unable to string a few passes together

The coaching is bad, and the attitude and inconsistency of the players is equally bad.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
It's an OK result and a decent first half performance.

That second half though. It's kind of concerning how we fell apart after the break.
 

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That's the kind of thing which said in our last game, against the worst team in league.
You can't keep having bad games.
We are now 3 pts behind MCFC and they have a game in hand, which in their current form, they are likely to win.
I can only see us dropping down the league, now.
The other issue is Bruno: if he plays badly, we play badly, so we can only hope that he starts creating and scoring goals again.
Not sure who would have taken a draw against Sheff U. And yes if we always play that way we won’t win many games. Results over the last year suggest we will often play better and will often win.
 

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We aren’t title contenders. Top 4 while bettering our points total of last year with a trophy is the goal.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
I’m in the same boat. I didn’t think we played that badly. Outside a few hairy moments i thought we controlled that game vs a inform team. We’ve been on a crazy run with some good results it was not sustainable to carry that pace for the whole season with this team. The form of our strikers is worrying as there were a few chances we should have buried. That first Cavani chance is awful to watch in replays. We really need to give Greenwood a run of games and bench rashford. Maybe even give VdB a run to rest some players. A lot have played week in week out with no rest. You can see our energy levels appear to have fallen off a cliff compared to the games a month ago.

still this place will over react as we should bewinning every game 3 nil regardless of the opposition or form. Also gives the ole out brigade a chance to stretch their legs. After all when we win it’s only down to the players but they can only do so much...
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
I will take it. I thought it would be a draw. They usually have our number in london.
 

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It's actually not a bad result but, as with the game against Liverpool at Anfield, you kind of think 'well, we're at full strength, no injuries and they're missing a lot of key players....was this a missed opportunity or should we be happy we didn't lose?'.

A point isn't bad. Either team could have nicked it. I will say tiredness could really end up fecking this season over for us. Some of the players look knackered and we're only halfway through the campaign.
I think the result probably is a little disappointing but the performance was ok. Big improvement from the absolute shite in our last game. If I’m honest I was expecting us to get pumped. But we more than matched them.

I kind of feel like we missed an opportunity vs Liverpool but Arsenal missed an opportunity today. So that works for me.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
I'm dissapointed. They played some utter crap teams lately and that made people think they are actually good at football again. They aren't though. They were there for the taking today but I feel we didn't make the most of it. But when your wide forwards are that badly out of form like ours are every game is tough. Watching Rashford today was pure pain.
 

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When it comes to these "Big games" we just wait for football to happen... We very rarely try and make football happen.
 

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This performance was much better than v.s. Sheffield. Some perspective is needed.
I wouldn't say the performance was much better. We had our chances and so did Arsenal. We have won just 8 of 15 possible points in our last matches and our starting wide forwards can't do one thing right between them, which is the part that worries me.
 

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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
Not quite ok but I was worried about losing so.
 

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Absolutely rubbish for a team considering being involved with a title charge. Perfectly acceptable for a team battling to finish 4th. You decide.

I can only assume VDB is showing nothing in training to barely get a kick in the league. What a luxury signing that was.....
 

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Within a week we have gone from being on top to now being in a top 4 battle, liverpool will eventually leap frog us into second with them being only 4 points behind us with a game in hand and we better hope we dont go on one of them lengthy bad run of games like we have done so in the last 2 seasons under ole otherwise we will find ourselves outside the top 4 at some point in February.
 

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These last two games have stung from the performance perspective more than the results themselves, we look so flat in the front 4 it's unreal, fullbacks and CM's were the only players that were good today.
 

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They looked tired today i thought.

Plus Fred needs to sort his passing out. So many games he is just so sloppy on the ball
 

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Christ. All this negativity is getting on my nerves :boring:

Yes, I know, it’s really disappointing that we did not get the much needed three points. We were definitely not amazing, but we were the better team. Against a very organised opponent (who would’ve thought), we created enough chances to win the game. But unfortunately our strike force is just not on it this year.

What it comes down to is that we will have a huge fight in front of us to stay in the top four. We’re not going to fight for the title this year, but we never were.

This team has real potential though, but it needs a couple of “world class” additions to really compete with the top teams. One in defence and one in attack especially, because we’re never going to win anything of importance with Martial or Cavani as our strikers.

The sooner all you guys come to terms with that, the sooner you can just enjoy the ride seeing this team grow into something special (hopefully).
 
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Can’t be arsed reading the inevitable hysteria but is anyone else ok with that result?

Arsenal have finally hit some form and got some decent results. Think they’re technically most in form team in the league? I think we just about shaded the game and generally played fairly well. Which was good to see after dire midweek display. Not a bad point at the end of the day. I’ll take it.
The result is ok but given we've come off a pisspoor display and result last time I hoped for a better performance. Poor finishing was to blame for us not having a goal or two, but we were also lucky not to concede ourselves. Losing the ball softly in the final third led us to get a little beat up on the counter, which brought fouls on the edge of the box and Arsenal chances. That aspect was poor for me, and I think there was a general lack of intensity in our play (fatigue is probably an issue here) which I didn't like.
 

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