India politics thread

coolredwine

lameredboots
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
17,065
Location
Je m'en fous!
TheGame said:
Seems you can’t even raise an issue as it’s classed as an ‘internal’ matter :rolleyes:. So assume that means you can ignore all other abuses across the world if they are classed as an ‘internal’ matter.

Click to expand...
Somebody on twitter made a good analogy for this: “this is like a domestic abuse matter termed as internal issue”.

It’s funny to see the govt spinning top to bottom on one tweet though.
 

Suv666

Full Member
Joined
Feb 11, 2016
Messages
8,773
Goes to show how much power celebrities wield. One tweet and its all over international media. I hope some world leaders comment on the matter as well.
 

RedDevil@84

Full Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
21,719
Location
USA
Suv666 said:
Goes to show how much power celebrities wield. One tweet and its all over international media. I hope some world leaders comment on the matter as well.
Click to expand...
Indian embassies maybe working overtime to ensure that the respective countries do not make a statement.
 

RedDevil@84

Full Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
21,719
Location
USA
Even Sachin has jumped into the "foreigners are attacking India" thingy

 

RedDevil@84

Full Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
21,719
Location
USA
Suv666 said:
What a fecking idiot.
Finding out your childhood heroes are closet Sanghis is the worst
Click to expand...
I wouldn't call him a Sanghi yet. I don't remember him tweeting on anything else.
Maybe he believes that there is an unfair criticism of India and his "patriotic" feelings got hurt.
 

pratyush_utd

Can't tell DeGea and Onana apart.
Joined
Aug 30, 2017
Messages
8,431
coolredwine said:
:lol:
Click to expand...
May I ask what's so funny? You don't think Union leaders are using it for political gains? You don't see why farmers in two states are up in arms while rest of India is not bothered?

I have always maintained they should be listened to but even after the proposal to delay it by 18 months, union leaders didn't budge. This after getting Stubble burning exemption and repeal of electricity ammendment act. I mentioned Tikait because he was on camera daring Delhi to stop him before 26th Jan and then fiasco happened. Now threat is of 40lac tractor all over India. In between he did the classical crying act. Infact his own brother had called off protest just before his drama. Naresh Tikait is his brother name I beleive.

I mentioned livelihood because I know someone who can't acquire raw material at the cost which would make sense and Delhi buyers are out of question at the moment. This after last year of bloodbath in which he almost committed suicide due to pressure from lenders. I am sure there are other countless people suffering the same fate. It would make sense for protest to continue if Government didn't offer anything to these union leaders. But we both know that isn't true. The situation could easily be avoided.

I have always maintained that farmers have a right to protest. But at this moment, every single one of their demand has been accepted. These laws would benefit farmers is my opinion for which I have quoted people who know far more than I do but still if by delaying by 18 months, if it would mean farmers get the assurance,then so be it.

Rest of the things is just pure noise. Why should I worry what a pop singer in America is saying? It's quite childish that MEA decided to respond. Also farmers are not Khalistani but due to union leaders inaction and Government fault, they were able to wreak chaos. That's not farmer's fault. But as far as sympathy is concerned, my sympathy is with farmers, not with their political masters.

Also for people rejoicing and asking for foreign powers to interfere, US and Canada regularly blast us in WTO for providing concessions to farmers. They don't want India to provide MSP benefit, exactly what the farmers are fighting for.
 
Last edited:

pratyush_utd

Can't tell DeGea and Onana apart.
Joined
Aug 30, 2017
Messages
8,431
https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...re-support-practices-at-wto/story/417599.html

US, EU, Canada question India's agriculture support practices at WTO


The volley of questions at Committee on Agriculture of the World Trade Organisation has come at a time when India has amended its laws to further liberalise its agricultural trade.

USA, European Union and Canada have questioned India's agriculture trade practices and farmer friendly policies at a recent meeting of the Committee on Agriculture (CoA) of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). The volley of questions has come at a time when India has amended its laws to further liberalise its agricultural trade and allow farmers and agri-businesses the freedom to produce, procure, store and sell agri-produce anywhere in the country and outside without government regulation.

The developed country members complain that India's trade practices are not transparent enough and seek more data on the trade of agricultural goods.

The CoA meeting, held on September 22-23 saw USA seeking response from India over the disclosure made by Food Corporation of India (FCI) that India had exported rice to Egypt commercially in 2016-17 and for humanitarian purposes in 2017-18. The USA saw this as an apparent contradiction to India's stand that the government does not undertake exports on a commercial basis from public stockholdings. The USA wanted India to explain how the country enforces the 'prohibition' of exports on a commercial basis from public stockholdings. India was also asked to provide details of the pricing methodology that is being followed while food grains from public stockholding is offloaded in the open market for domestic sales.

Quoting India's position that 'open market sales of food grains from public stockholding are made provided the buyer gives an undertaking of not exporting from such purchases', the US wanted the country to explain how the buyer gives the undertaking and how it is enforced.

The meeting also saw European Union (EU) seeking details of India's agricultural loan waivers. Noting that India has allocated $18 billion for distribution and buffer stock of food grains, EU wanted to know how much of this amount is used for distribution and how much on operating the buffer stocks. EU also sought a breakup of India's $24.18 billion input subsidies to understand how much of this amount is going towards irrigation, fertilisers, electricity and fuel, mainly, diesel. Quoting India's official figures of total milled rice production of 116 million tonnes in 2018/19, EU asked why was 44.33 million tonnes of this was used by the country in its calculation of the market price support. "Can India please explain in detail why the remaining 72 million tonnes did not benefit from the administered price? Did this rice not fulfil the same quality criteria as the 44.33 million tonnes bought in? Which are the criteria?" the EU questioned.

Meanwhile, Canada sought details of the Pradhan Mantri Kisan Samman Nidhi (PM-KISAN) programme. "Could India clarify who is eligible for this programme and what are the criteria that determined eligibility for a payment? Could India indicate if payment levels are determined by income of producers and if so, what is the defined and fixed base period used to define eligibility?" the country asked. Canada also expressed doubt over the eligibility of India's Pradhan Mantri Fasal Bima Yojana (PMFBY) to be qualified for a "Green Box" or permitted subsidy treatment under WTO.
 

pratyush_utd

Can't tell DeGea and Onana apart.
Joined
Aug 30, 2017
Messages
8,431
https://m.economictimes.com/news/ec...es-in-wto-in-3-years/articleshow/79580976.cms

Canada raised 65 questions against India’s farm policies in WTO in 3 years

NEW DELHI: Canada raised 65 questions against India’s agricultural policies between 2017 and 2020 pertaining to New Delhi’s minimum support price-based market price support policies for agriculture products, public stockholding programmes for food security especially since March when India invoked the Bali Peace Clause for the first time, its trade policies on pulses, and input subsidies that are available to low-income and resource poor farmers.

Ottawa raised these questions at 14 meetings of the Committee on Agriculture at the World Trade Organization (WTO). The committee comprises all WTO members and meets three or four times a year.

“In a worrying development, there has been a narrative-push by some members including Canada, the US and EU to pin the blame for the growth in global levels of trade-distorting subsidies in agriculture on large developing countries such as China, India and Indonesia,” said an official.

Some key questions included the potential impact on the global market of India’s high volume of food stocks, and whether India is breaching its support limit for other farm goods, given it recently notified exceeding its de minimis support for rice in 2018-2019.


This assumes significance in the wake of Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau backing the ongoing farmers’ agitation in India, saying his country will always be there to defend the rights of peaceful protests and expressing concern over the situation.

Trade distorting subsidies
The official added that Canada, which is a member of the Cairns Group, along with other agriculture exporters seeks to further restrict the policy space available to countries like India to support their domestic farmers, in the interest of boosting their own potential exports to India.

On the other hand, India is proponent of a sequential approach where developed countries’ maximum permissible level of trade distorting farm subsidies (called final bound total AMS) entitlements are capped, reduced and eliminated first.
The AMS subsidies or Aggregate Measurement of Support are available to only 32 out of 164 WTO members including Canada.

The US, EU and Canada give $160 billion of trade-distorting form of farm subsidies to products including cotton, wool and tobacco, according to a submission by India and China.

India gave $22.5 billion as input subsidy including support for irrigation, fertilizers and electricity in the marketing year 2017-18. As per the Agricultural Census for year 2015-16, 99.43% of farm holdings are of low-income or resource poor farmers.

Besides seeking a reduction in the domestic agriculture subsidies provided by members such as India to their domestic producers, even if such subsidies are subsistence-level, Canada and other Cairns Group members have also sought a reduction in the tariffs on imports of agricultural products.

“A close scrutiny of these questions would reveal that far from being concerned or interested about the well-being of Indian farmers, the Canadian delegation to the WTO never loses an opportunity to try and corner India for whatever support we provide to our farmers, and attempts to build a narrative that tries to define such support as trade-distorting,” the official said, adding that Canada had “scarce interest” in the genuine well-being of Indian farmers and agriculture producers.

Besides, Canada has criticised India’s quantitative restrictions on the imports of pulses. India is the chief export destination for pulses-exports from WTO members such as Canada, Russia and Australia.
 

coolredwine

lameredboots
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
17,065
Location
Je m'en fous!
pratyush_utd said:
May I ask what's so funny? You don't think Union leaders are using it for political gains? You don't see why farmers in two states are up in arms while rest of India is not bothered?

I have always maintained they should be listened to but even after the proposal to delay it by 18 months, union leaders didn't budge. This after getting Stubble burning exemption and repeal of electricity ammendment act. I mentioned Tikait because he was on camera daring Delhi to stop him before 26th Jan and then fiasco happened. Now threat is of 40lac tractor all over India. In between he did the classical crying act. Infact his own brother had called off protest just before his drama. Naresh Tikait is his brother name I beleive.

I mentioned livelihood because I know someone who can't acquire raw material at the cost which would make sense and Delhi buyers are out of question at the moment. This after last year of bloodbath in which he almost committed suicide due to pressure from lenders. I am sure there are other countless people suffering the same fate. It would make sense for protest to continue if Government didn't offer anything to these union leaders. But we both know that isn't true. The situation could easily be avoided.

I have always maintained that farmers have a right to protest. But at this moment, every single one of their demand has been accepted. These laws would benefit farmers is my opinion for which I have quoted people who know far more than I do but still if by delaying by 18 months, if it would mean farmers get the assurance,then so be it.

Rest of the things is just pure noise. Why should I worry what a pop singer in America is saying? It's quite childish that MEA decided to respond. Also farmers are not Khalistani but due to union leaders inaction and Government fault, they were able to wreak chaos. That's not farmer's fault. But as far as sympathy is concerned, my sympathy is with farmers, not with their political masters.

Also for people rejoicing and asking for foreign powers to interfere, US and Canada regularly blast us in WTO for providing concessions to farmers. They don't want India to provide MSP benefit, exactly what the farmers are fighting for.
Click to expand...
Your entire initial post was incorrect is what is funny.
 

coolredwine

lameredboots
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
17,065
Location
Je m'en fous!
RedDevil@84 said:
I wouldn't call him a Sanghi yet. I don't remember him tweeting on anything else.
Maybe he believes that there is an unfair criticism of India and his "patriotic" feelings got hurt.
Click to expand...
Sachin is the same guy who ‘participated’ in that video made after 2002 denouncing the riots. Look at him now. Sure he got an order from above, which makes it even worse.

Good thing I don’t follow cricket anymore. Easier to be disgusted against him and the likes.
 

MDFC Manager

Full Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2005
Messages
24,307
coolredwine said:
Sachin is the same guy who ‘participated’ in that video made after 2002 denouncing the riots. Look at him now. Sure he got an order from above, which makes it even worse.

Good thing I don’t follow cricket anymore. Easier to be disgusted against him and the likes.
Click to expand...
At least these days IT cell seem to be sending out customised tweets to the drones :D
 

RedDevil@84

Full Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
21,719
Location
USA
Celebrities trying to create an agenda as if farmers are engaging in large scale riots on everyday.



 

kps88

Full Member
Joined
Feb 12, 2008
Messages
22,513
They're all pro establishment; don't think it's worth the hassle to upset whoever is in power. I'm not even sure I blame them anymore. Our laws and courts don't back up anyone who does speak out. Kashyap got involved and currently has a rape case against him and the CBI are looking into his finances. The SSR case also showed just how easily the CBI can mess with Bollywood if they really wanted to. I've no doubt that's why Karan Johar put out a statement as well.
 

coolredwine

lameredboots
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
17,065
Location
Je m'en fous!
RedDevil@84 said:
Celebrities trying to create an agenda as if farmers are engaging in large scale riots on everyday.



Click to expand...
Can clearly identify the ones which are marking their attendances. Fair to say that the govt propagated violence will now fall on their shoulders.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,426
Location
Nnc
Suv666 said:
What a fecking idiot.
Finding out your childhood heroes are closet Sanghis is the worst
Click to expand...
Behave , all he said was to protect the sovereignty of the country. People just get agitated for no reason.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,426
Location
Nnc
RedDevil@84 said:
When there was not threat to sovereignty of the country. And it was something he made up.
Click to expand...
All of these are just pre-planned. The just got exposed. Sample below. If you don't see this as a threat to national sovereignty, I dont know what else would qualify.

 

berbatrick

Renaissance Man
Scout
Joined
Oct 22, 2010
Messages
21,691
"internal matter" isn't something sanghis have started. obviously it was the line used for kashmir forever but also during indira gandhi's time, for example, satyajit ray was told his films "export poverty."

pratyush_utd said:
https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...re-support-practices-at-wto/story/417599.html

US, EU, Canada question India's agriculture support practices at WTO


The volley of questions at Committee on Agriculture of the World Trade Organisation has come at a time when India has amended its laws to further liberalise its agricultural trade.

USA, European Union and Canada have questioned India's agriculture trade practices and farmer friendly policies at a recent meeting of the Committee on Agriculture (CoA) of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). The volley of questions has come at a time when India has amended its laws to further liberalise its agricultural trade and allow farmers and agri-businesses the freedom to produce, procure, store and sell agri-produce anywhere in the country and outside without government regulation.

The developed country members complain that India's trade practices are not transparent enough and seek more data on the trade of agricultural goods.

The CoA meeting, held on September 22-23 saw USA seeking response from India over the disclosure made by Food Corporation of India (FCI) that India had exported rice to Egypt commercially in 2016-17 and for humanitarian purposes in 2017-18. The USA saw this as an apparent contradiction to India's stand that the government does not undertake exports on a commercial basis from public stockholdings. The USA wanted India to explain how the country enforces the 'prohibition' of exports on a commercial basis from public stockholdings. India was also asked to provide details of the pricing methodology that is being followed while food grains from public stockholding is offloaded in the open market for domestic sales.

Quoting India's position that 'open market sales of food grains from public stockholding are made provided the buyer gives an undertaking of not exporting from such purchases', the US wanted the country to explain how the buyer gives the undertaking and how it is enforced.

The meeting also saw European Union (EU) seeking details of India's agricultural loan waivers. Noting that India has allocated $18 billion for distribution and buffer stock of food grains, EU wanted to know how much of this amount is used for distribution and how much on operating the buffer stocks. EU also sought a breakup of India's $24.18 billion input subsidies to understand how much of this amount is going towards irrigation, fertilisers, electricity and fuel, mainly, diesel. Quoting India's official figures of total milled rice production of 116 million tonnes in 2018/19, EU asked why was 44.33 million tonnes of this was used by the country in its calculation of the market price support. "Can India please explain in detail why the remaining 72 million tonnes did not benefit from the administered price? Did this rice not fulfil the same quality criteria as the 44.33 million tonnes bought in? Which are the criteria?" the EU questioned.

Meanwhile, Canada sought details of the Pradhan Mantri Kisan Samman Nidhi (PM-KISAN) programme. "Could India clarify who is eligible for this programme and what are the criteria that determined eligibility for a payment? Could India indicate if payment levels are determined by income of producers and if so, what is the defined and fixed base period used to define eligibility?" the country asked. Canada also expressed doubt over the eligibility of India's Pradhan Mantri Fasal Bima Yojana (PMFBY) to be qualified for a "Green Box" or permitted subsidy treatment under WTO.
Click to expand...
 

RedDevil@84

Full Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
21,719
Location
USA
bond19821982 said:
All of these are just pre-planned. The just got exposed. Sample below. If you don't see this as a threat to national sovereignty, I dont know what else would qualify.

Click to expand...
All it seems to show is that Greta did not get up from bed one day and decide to just start tweeting on it. She had a team (or was approached by some team) that went through the details and came up with a plan to coordinate the online and other protests to maximize the exposure of the issue to the world.
I still don't see it as an attack on India's sovereignty.
 

coolredwine

lameredboots
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
17,065
Location
Je m'en fous!
RedDevil@84 said:
All it seems to show is that Greta did not get up from bed one day and decide to just start tweeting on it. She had a team (or was approached by some team) that went through the details and came up with a plan to coordinate the online and other protests to maximize the exposure of the issue to the world.
I still don't see it as an attack on India's sovereignty.
Click to expand...
Imagine the thinking process:

“labelling them Khalistani and terrorists every day is okay but we take offense at someone organising a hashtag under the garb of NaTiOnAL sOvErEiNgTy”

funny these are the same guys who couldn’t even utter a single word when China has camped within the border for months.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,426
Location
Nnc
RedDevil@84 said:
All it seems to show is that Greta did not get up from bed one day and decide to just start tweeting on it. She had a team (or was approached by some team) that went through the details and came up with a plan to coordinate the online and other protests to maximize the exposure of the issue to the world.
I still don't see it as an attack on India's sovereignty.
Click to expand...
Exactly my point. She is under influence of someone else (she has no reason to create a tool kit and her tweet matches with what's mentioned in the tool kit). The concerning part is about the statement to be ready for physical actions on Jan 26. So this sudden outrage is not actually "sudden " including what happened at red fort. All for the peaceful protest. Sigh !!!
 

Nickelodeon

Full Member
Joined
Apr 20, 2015
Messages
2,330
bond19821982 said:
Exactly my point. She is under influence of someone else (she has no reason to create a tool kit and her tweet matches with what's mentioned in the tool kit). The concerning part is about the statement to be ready for physical actions on Jan 26. So this sudden outrage is not actually "sudden " including what happened at red fort. All for the peaceful protest. Sigh !!!
Click to expand...
What do you think is the motivation for Rihanna or Greta Thunberg to tweet about farmer protest?

Do you genuinely believe they think that Modi will make India a superpower and they have taken it upon themselves to put an end to it?

Who's influence are they under? Congress led by Rahul the Pappu? Or does Rihanna want a Khalistan of her own?

There are human rights violations that are happening regardless of the intent of the protestors and that is what these people are flagging. The same happened last year during Shaheen Bagh and Delhi riots but they didn't have the strength in numbers the farmers have and hence never got the traction.

It isn't a coincidence that the protestors before 2014, including some of the current cabinet ministers, were able to have a (sort of) peaceful protest without being labelled as foreign sponsored.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,426
Location
Nnc
Nickelodeon said:
What do you think is the motivation for Rihanna or Greta Thunberg to tweet about farmer protest?

Do you genuinely believe they think that Modi will make India a superpower and they have taken it upon themselves to put an end to it?

Who's influence are they under? Congress led by Rahul the Pappu? Or does Rihanna want a Khalistan of her own?

There are human rights violations that are happening regardless of the intent of the protestors and that is what these people are flagging. The same happened last year during Shaheen Bagh and Delhi riots but they didn't have the strength in numbers the farmers have and hence never got the traction.

It isn't a coincidence that the protestors before 2014, including some of the current cabinet ministers, were able to have a (sort of) peaceful protest without being labelled as foreign sponsored.
Click to expand...
I have nothing to say in terms of politics simply because it's politics and in politics Its always black and white. You are always right if you are doing it and you are wrong if you are opposing it, regardless of your political alignment l.

I was only disagreeing with the poster on calling Sachin a Sangh sympathizer just because he tweeted that. All he said was protect the sovereignty of the country and I agree. When you have calls to take physical actions on Jan 26 , that too originating from a foreign account what else do you expect?
 

MDFC Manager

Full Member
Joined
Dec 26, 2005
Messages
24,307
RedTiger said:
This isn't about India, but did any of you catch the al jazeera investigation about Bangladesh's top general and his gangster brothers?
Click to expand...
No but if #BangladeshAgainstPropaganda isn't trending, then I'm afraid your people don't care about your sovereignty :wenger:


Will read up about it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.