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I have my wording wrong there and I apologies for that. English is not my first language.
But if you want to understand the issue find some channel or source who are not in news business.
There are number of channel's and source who give you deep understanding of these laws without any bias.
 

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I never said believe any media outlet, We all know they are bias. Both channel had shown past bias before and that's why I say they are bias.
If you want to have unbias news or understanding about topic find source who are not in news business. I have it and you can find it too.
I don't know there is any foreign conspiracy or not in farmer protest, but if you think there are never foreign conspiracy in Indian history then you are bigger fool then those media outlets.
Which channel is unbiased btw? Every news outlet has its biases and will always have them.

Unlike Republic and the mainstream news outlets, Newslaundry, Hindu, etc. do report things on the other side as well - things like there was violence from the farmers side, few policemen got injured/died, etc.

And when the feck did I say there never has been foreign conspiracy in our history, but I find it ridiculous that foreigners calling the government out on Human Rights issues is a conspiracy.
 

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Which channel is unbiased btw? Every news outlet has its biases and will always have them.

Unlike Republic and the mainstream news outlets, Newslaundry, Hindu, etc. do report things on the other side as well - things like there was violence from the farmers side, few policemen got injured/died, etc.

And when the feck did I say there never has been foreign conspiracy in our history, but I find it ridiculous that foreigners calling the government out on Human Rights issues is a conspiracy.
None of media outlet are unbias and that's the issue.
I call Republic TV are extremes bias in my previous post, and I don't make my judgement on any media outlet. They only show one side of story.
As for foreign conspiracy we really don't know.
We have long list of foreign conspiracy in our history, so I would not rule out any thing but government call it they need to prove it.
 

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Unless you have been sitting under the rock for the past 6 months, I would be a bit surprised that you have missed the entire point. The protesters have always had a single demand: full repeal of all farm laws, after they were passed illegally. In response to that:

- Central govt blocked trains carrying supplies to Punjab
- Central govt tear gassed and water cannoned protesters coming from Punjab
- Central govt dug trenches and erected barricades on borders
- Central govt lathi charged protesters at multiple instances
- Central govt has taken no initiative to resolve the situation

The rest is just deflection and noise, which is typical of the current govt.
 

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None, do I need to say more? there is no unbias media outlet in India we all know that.
If you want to have deep understanding of topic please find some source which are not in news business, they might gives you unbias observation.


First of all I am not government advocate, but what is fact is fact, there where banner so government call them Terrorist and Khalistanis. What you expect? government was on backfoot they will going to say that.
Now that Hunditva thing is interesting, didn't police arrest those persons who put that atrocities in name or cow and religion? If government has done that to farmer imaging what would had happen.
I don't know what you have with government but I suggest try to have some fact check.

Isn't it true they come with some 10-20 points demand when these protest started?
Isn't it In the end government agree half of those demand and suddenly they demanded to revert back all the laws?
Isn't it government also agree to postpone these laws for 18 months?

Now I am not saying new laws are great and everything is correct in that laws, I also believe MSP should be given to all, and more protection should be given to farmer.
But its not like farmer were richer in pervious laws and by applying this new laws they are suddenly becoming poor.
Thanks for this post. This has cleared a lot of things up.


Now that Hunditva thing is interesting, didn't police arrest those persons who put that atrocities in name or cow and religion? If government has done that to farmer imaging what would had happen.
I don't need to imagine, the govt did arrest about 115 odd people after Jan 26 and it was only yesterday that the names were shared, that too by Kejriwal,


I don't know what you have with government but I suggest try to have some fact check.
I have given you sources for every argument I've made. Care to share some with respect to your points?

But its not like farmer were richer in pervious laws and by applying this new laws they are suddenly becoming poor.
It is not for you and me to make that call. If farmers believe that these laws are against them, then they do need to be heard. There's a reason why we have a proper parliamentary process in place where bills are sent to select committees for closer verification before they become laws. That process was not only surpassed this time but in every bill passed since 2019. So essentially, no farmer voices were considered before passing this beill.

According to PRS Legislative Research data, “In the 16th Lok Sabha (during the first Modi regime), 25 per cent of the Bills introduced were referred to Committee, much lower than 71 per cent and 60 per cent in the 15th and the 14th Lok Sabha respectively.” As per news reports, no Bills have been sent to a parliamentary select committee by the present Modi regime.

Source for the above: https://thewire.in/government/nda-narendra-modi-parliament-functioning

Please feel free to reject this source as well.
 

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I never said believe any media outlet, We all know they are bias. Both channel had shown past bias before and that's why I say they are bias.
If you want to have unbias news or understanding about topic find source who are not in news business. I have it and you can find it too.
I don't know there is any foreign conspiracy or not in farmer protest, but if you think there are never foreign conspiracy in Indian history then you are bigger fool then those media outlets.
Newslaundry, NDTV (partly), the Wire and the likes can't be compared to pile of complete wank like Repubic and Times now. They for the most part rely on reason, logic and facts rather than propaganda. For example Ravish Kumar usually criticises the government but he does so using the above facets mentioned and because the government pretty much runs the rest of the media and there needs to be a voice speaking the truth. Arnab on the other hand is a disgrace to the word journalism as are the other Godi media puppets who you watch if you love being entertained by a piece of turd that makes you dumber by the second.
 

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Unless you have been sitting under the rock for the past 6 months, I would be a bit surprised that you have missed the entire point. The protesters have always had a single demand: full repeal of all farm laws. In response to that:

- Central govt blocked trains carrying supplies to Punjab
- Central govt tear gassed and water cannoned protesters coming from Punjab
- Central govt dug trenches and erected barricades on borders
- Central govt lathi charged protesters at multiple instances
- Central govt has taken no initiative to resolve the situation

The rest is just deflection and noise, which is typical of the current govt.
Isn't this whole thing happen after 26th Jan?

Here is some info to you the Punjab government already declare that, they will not going to implement new farm laws since beginning. So all the farmer who are from Punjab didn't need to worry about these new laws.
I would suggest you to get full information about this issue.
 

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Isn't this whole thing happen after 26th Jan?

Here is some info to you the Punjab government already declare that, they will not going to implement new farm laws since beginning. So all the farmer who are from Punjab didn't need to worry about these new laws.
I would suggest you to get full information about this issue.
:lol: way to miss the entire point.
 

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None of media outlet are unbias and that's the issue.
I call Republic TV are extremes bias in my previous post, and I don't make my judgement on any media outlet. They only show one side of story.
As for foreign conspiracy we really don't know.
We have long list of foreign conspiracy in our history, so I would not rule out any thing but government call it they need to prove it.
Just the only problem with your last line being Police beat farmers, arrested journalists and used water cannons and tear gas. Those are facts, and not propaganda. Everyone for the past week has been calling the government out on that. It would have been a conspiracy if say they were saying that this law should be taken back - which is an internal matter.

And let's just assume for a moment it's a foreign conspiracy - China and Congress are behind it obviously, right? So, China would be paying money to the farmers to protest and hold a tractor rally on 26th Jan and the judges to approve this request. In addition to this, they've asked Rihanna, who is worth $600m, Mia Khalifa - despite knowing that her tweet would be ignored because of her past, Greta Thunberg and also niece of Kamala Harris, among other people. Why exactly would these guys tweet? They have money - for more than a lifetime, they aren't under govt. pressure as these guys aren't Chinese citizens, so why the feck would people randomly come together and start tweeting this!
 

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I think the reaction of the government, media and the people to the Anna Hazare protests and the Nirbhaya protests, compared to the reaction to the Hathras rape case, the Anti CAA protests and the farm law protests tell us very well where we have traveled to as a country in the past 7 years.
 

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I think the reaction of the government, media and the people to the Anna Hazare protests and the Nirbhaya protests, compared to the reaction to the Hathras rape case, the Anti CAA protests and the farm law protests tell us very well where we have traveled to as a country in the past 7 years.
Maybe the country was always like this?
 

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Classic right wing extremist rule book. Create an enemy/fear and use that to stoke nationalist feeling to win support and deviate from real issues.

Apparently Arnab is starting a nationalist committee or some shit. :lol:
 

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It is not for you and me to make that call. If farmers believe that these laws are against them, then they do need to be heard. There's a reason why we have a proper parliamentary process in place where bills are sent to select committees for closer verification before they become laws. That process was not only surpassed this time but in every bill passed since 2019. So essentially, no farmer voices were considered before passing this beill.

According to PRS Legislative Research data, “In the 16th Lok Sabha (during the first Modi regime), 25 per cent of the Bills introduced were referred to Committee, much lower than 71 per cent and 60 per cent in the 15th and the 14th Lok Sabha respectively.” As per news reports, no Bills have been sent to a parliamentary select committee by the present Modi regime.

Source for the above: https://thewire.in/government/nda-narendra-modi-parliament-functioning

Please feel free to reject this source as well.
The Bolded part I totally agree and also have problem with government, they should gone through whole process.
But thing is mate, our parliamentary system is joke to frank, lots of bill get Stoll for years for no reason then politics.
This government just impose those bills and some people like it and some are not.
For example see GST Bill both BJP and Congress at one stage oppose it.
Same for Farm bill even if roles are resaves then BJP would had oppose it if Congress has produce this bill on Parliament.
 

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Just the only problem with your last line being Police beat farmers, arrested journalists and used water cannons and tear gas. Those are facts, and not propaganda. Everyone for the past week has been calling the government out on that. It would have been a conspiracy if say they were saying that this law should be taken back - which is an internal matter.

And let's just assume for a moment it's a foreign conspiracy - China and Congress are behind it obviously, right? So, China would be paying money to the farmers to protest and hold a tractor rally on 26th Jan and the judges to approve this request. In addition to this, they've asked Rihanna, who is worth $600m, Mia Khalifa - despite knowing that her tweet would be ignored because of her past, Greta Thunberg and also niece of Kamala Harris, among other people. Why exactly would these guys tweet? They have money - for more than a lifetime, they aren't under govt. pressure as these guys aren't Chinese citizens, so why the feck would people randomly come together and start tweeting this!
Mate I don't know who is behind this or even there is some one behind this.
I just don't rule out anything right now, it could be anything, from China to some political party using it for their own advantage.

As for police beating did it new thing in India, remember Baba Ramdev protest? You also have to remember that what happen 26 Jan as well.
 

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I think the reaction of the government, media and the people to the Anna Hazare protests and the Nirbhaya protests, compared to the reaction to the Hathras rape case, the Anti CAA protests and the farm law protests tell us very well where we have traveled to as a country in the past 7 years.
Its always like this mate.
Only thing change are, both parties now forgot word compromise and greeter good for people.
 

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I just don't rule out anything right now, it could be anything, from China to some political party using it for their own advantage.
True. They should send all farmers to Canada, Sweden and other countries and let BJP ministers, IT Cell and cheerleaders go do farming under the new laws. Problem solved.
 

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True. They should send all farmers to Canada, Sweden and other countries and let BJP ministers, IT Cell and cheerleaders go do farming under the new laws. Problem solved.
Not only BJP but all party's, India would be better place for sure.
 

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Mate I don't know who is behind this or even there is some one behind this.
I just don't rule out anything right now, it could be anything, from China to some political party using it for their own advantage.

As for police beating did it new thing in India, remember Baba Ramdev protest? You also have to remember that what happen 26 Jan as well.
Who is behind what? You sound like a Q follower. Hollywood celebrities regularly comment on international political issues, that is not a rare occurrence. Why the feck would China recruit Rihanna, Greata and VP of the US's niece to tweet? That doesn't make any sense does it?
What is more likely she saw a CNN article and tweeted about it because BJP's hard right agenda is disgusting and the world is taking notice or some deep conspiracy theory to overthrow India by the Chinese? Surely they can think of better methods.

I'm more surprised why no one is talking about the coordinated tweets by cricketers and celebrities at the same time with the same wording. BJP owns every person of influence in this country. Now that is a conspiracy you should be thinking more about.
 

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Never thought Congress could bag Rihanna. Just need to hire Beyonce and Taylor Swift next and they're ready to win the elections.
 

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Who is behind what? You sound like a Q follower. Hollywood celebrities regularly comment on international political issues, that is not a rare occurrence. Why the feck would China recruit Rihanna, Greata and VP of the US's niece to tweet? That doesn't make any sense does it?
What is more likely she saw a CNN article and tweeted about it because BJP's hard right agenda is disgusting and the world is taking notice or some deep conspiracy theory to overthrow India by the Chinese? Surely they can think of better methods.

I'm more surprised why no one is talking about the coordinated tweets by cricketers and celebrities at the same time with the same wording. BJP owns every person of influence in this country. Now that is a conspiracy you should be thinking more about.
I'm just amazed by this. The way they all waded with BJP fed tweets was both hilarious and sad at the same time.
 

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"internal matter" isn't something sanghis have started. obviously it was the line used for kashmir forever but also during indira gandhi's time, for example, satyajit ray was told his films "export poverty."



Don't you find it odd that even our 22$billion support is under scrutiny from Canada,US,UK and EU? Our stockpile are under scrutiny which comprises a large part our support for agricultural industry.

We need to improve our agriculture subsidy but there is nothing in that bill which says otherwise.

Essential commodities act is removed in first bill. It's time for it to go considering it was conceptualized in 1960's when we were food deficit country. Now it just has an opposite reaction. Onion prices is great example for this. Whenever there is a bumper harvest, onion prices crashes and we have seen farmers throwing them away on roads because there is a limit on how much you can store. During off season, prices sky rocket and then Government is forced to stop it's export. So it's the farmer who get screwed over both time. Every single farmer organization have mentioned this as an issue at some point. No private investment has occurred for cold storage facility because nobody wants to go to jail for storing these products.

APMC act is the second one which only mentions private buyers can buy outside mandis and can avoid mandi tax. Mandis are so corrupt that traders levy tax on both farmers and buyers. Although it's not relevant but opposition parties have advocated for providing choice to farmer to sell outside mandi. Even now 90% of agricultural products are bought by private players. Having a system in which cold storage facility and farmer cooperative pooling their resources together would do wonders for farmers who don't get MSP support.

Contract farming is 3rd bill and here I had some reservations about grievance redressal system which can be ironed out. Contract farming has existed for some time now and Captain Amrinder Singh wanted this way back in 2005 with Reliance.


If you look at Dairy industry, returns are higher than products sold under MSP. And it is entirely run by private players and cooperation. Punjab and Haryana water table is going down and they are producing products which we have an excess of. Diversification of crops is the need of the hour and with options other than Government, this will be achieved much earlier.

As far as MSP is concerned, PDS system is the only reason why Government procure agricultural products. This will always continue. Unless there is a fine print and it has fooled veteran agricultural experts, I don't see any reason to doubt it. Plus I don't believe Government of India can procure entire agricultural products as this will be entire financial budget for the government. Also I don't think it's Government job to sell wheat and rice.


As far as subsidy is concerned, it's a valid subject and we should increase it but it's entirely different issue.

Below is great interview by Karan Thapar with Ashok Gulati who is one of India's most respected Agricultural expert.


Print also has his interviews up on YouTube if anyone is interested.
 

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Mate I don't know who is behind this or even there is some one behind this.
I just don't rule out anything right now, it could be anything, from China to some political party using it for their own advantage.

As for police beating did it new thing in India, remember Baba Ramdev protest? You also have to remember that what happen 26 Jan as well.
Exactly. They play on that curiosity and lack of understanding by dumping garbage in its place and use it in their favour.

"They're out to get us. Let's Unite. For BJ.. I mean India!"
 

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I agree with some of the things here but I'd just like to point out that BJP has been quite brazen in passing this law.

In an agarian country like us, they should have had proper parliamentary discussions before passing the law and should have held talks with various farmer committee.

What they instead did is held no discussions, when farmer protest started, they didn't had any conversations with the farmers and left them to protest on roads whilst constantly calling them Khalistani by proxy.

This has been a masterclass in handling things badly.
This is the most unfortunate part. It could have been handled better but after 18 months suspension offer, I see no need for protest to continue. And I strongly believe, this bill is better for farmers than how it is being presented.
 

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What's wrong with the document?
Not sure about that. Screen grabs are there on twitter but since the original document was deleted, not sure of its validity. So no point in breaking head over it. But from screen grabs it does look like some elements have been trying to take advantage of this which anyway isn't suprising.



What's funny is if every product is under MSP, the price will rise for consumer. It's not the other way around
 
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As for police beating did it new thing in India, remember Baba Ramdev protest? You also have to remember that what happen 26 Jan as well.
The Baba Ramdev protests were different these protests. The Baba followers were initiating violence and vandalism and on top of that were threatening attacks on the establishment if Baba wasn't released.
 

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I find it odd that its so easy for people to believe Rihanna and then countless others posted it because of their conscience but Indians not wanting foreign influence is BJP backed movement. Maybe it's better to give benefit of doubt to both sides otherwise it will just feel like biased point of view. Calling Sachin and Lata Mangeshkar bought is quite low even for Left standards
 

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Not sure about that. Screen grabs are there on twitter but since the original document was deleted, not sure of its validity. So no point in breaking head over it. But from screen grabs it does look like some elements have been trying to take advantage of this which anyway isn't suprising.
Take advantage how? You should be specific if you're giving this government's FIRs credence given how they throw them around at anybody who challenges them.

I find it odd that its so easy for people to believe Rihanna and then countless others posted it because of their conscience but Indians not wanting foreign influence is BJP backed movement. Maybe it's better to give benefit of doubt to both sides otherwise it will just feel like biased point of view. Calling Sachin and Lata Mangeshkar bought is quite low even for Left standards
Laughable. Have you actually seen the tweets? They're (Indian celebrities) all tweeting in unison like bots using the same bloody language. Saina Nehwal and Akshay Kumar used the exact same words :lol:

And no, it's not low. It's called being honest. I've grown up worshipping Sachin. Caftards know this, he was always my hero and still is. But you have to call out bullshit when you see it. Like the others he's sung from the same hymn sheet and it's very obvious that there's nothing organic about it. My idol growing up or not, that's fecked up, even though one can understand the pressure that would have been applied by the authorities to tow the line.
 

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I find it odd that its so easy for people to believe Rihanna and then countless others posted it because of their conscience but Indians not wanting foreign influence is BJP backed movement. Maybe it's better to give benefit of doubt to both sides otherwise it will just feel like biased point of view. Calling Sachin and Lata Mangeshkar bought is quite low even for Left standards
Rihanna: “why aren’t we talking about this” linking an article which says internet was cut and farmers clashed with the police.

A day later, puppets: tweet while marking their attendance with a hashtag which was started by the MEA and cited lies in their statement.

which one is easier to believe?
 

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Take advantage how? You should be specific if you're giving this government's FIRs credence given how they throw them around at anybody who challenges them.


Laughable. Have you actually seen the tweets? They're (Indian celebrities) all tweeting in unison like bots using the same bloody language. Saina Nehwal and Akshay Kumar used the exact same words :lol:

And no, it's not low. It's called being honest. I've grown up worshipping Sachin. Caftards know this, he was always my hero and still is. But you have to call out bullshit when you see it. Like the others he's sung from the same hymn sheet and it's very obvious that there's nothing organic about it. My idol growing up or not, that's fecked up, even though one can understand the pressure that would have been applied by the authorities to tow the line.
I saw Sachin tweet and it's not as bad as people are claiming it to be. I see sponsored accounts calling him "Dog of Ambani". Now that is low .

Anyway that supposed toolkit is just a distraction but I edited my original post with one tweet where same words are being copied. It seems document was in existence for sometime now and Greta accidentally tweeted it.
 

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Funny, BJP Ministers and IT Cell follow the same template and are now accusing others of following a toolkit.

and lo and behold, US had made a comment on the situation. Let’s see whether MEA wants to run hashtags now after the 2019 fiasco.
 

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Rihanna: “why aren’t we talking about this” linking an article which says internet was cut and farmers clashed with the police.

A day later, puppets: tweet while marking their attendance with a hashtag which was started by the MEA and cited lies in their statement.

which one is easier to believe?
The one which you have already beleive in so it won't matter whatever i say. It's MEA, ofcourse people are going to use it. Also it's not uncommon for people to copy paste it. Just like they did after Rihanna did it. People did the same with Black lives matter movement. People do copy paste, it's nothing new.

By the way it's just a waste of time to spend on trivial issue. It's a shame MEA took the bait and responded.

We have been providing world with vaccine and getting recognised everywhere. Suddenly world is awake with Farmer protest after 3 month. You want a conspiracy theory, why don't you check that?
 

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I saw Sachin tweet and it's not as bad as people are claiming it to be. I see sponsored accounts calling him "Dog of Ambani". Now that is low .

Anyway that supposed toolkit is just a distraction but I edited my original post with one tweet where same words are being copied. It seems document was in existence for sometime now and Greta accidentally tweeted it.
Come on, man. Did you read all the tweets? Just read all the Bollywood and cricketer tweets and tell me they're not obviously orchestrated by the government. Same day, use of similar words, it's clear as day. Gun to head.
 

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Who is behind what? You sound like a Q follower. Hollywood celebrities regularly comment on international political issues, that is not a rare occurrence. Why the feck would China recruit Rihanna, Greata and VP of the US's niece to tweet? That doesn't make any sense does it?
What is more likely she saw a CNN article and tweeted about it because BJP's hard right agenda is disgusting and the world is taking notice or some deep conspiracy theory to overthrow India by the Chinese? Surely they can think of better methods.

I'm more surprised why no one is talking about the coordinated tweets by cricketers and celebrities at the same time with the same wording. BJP owns every person of influence in this country. Now that is a conspiracy you should be thinking more about.
Here a thing,
I already told in my previous post I don't know if it is conspiracy or not, I am not ruling out any thing.
So I just don't understand this post. I already give my thought on this, what you are expecting me to say?
Is any one has different opinion than you are always wrong?
You sound like same BJP's leaders who are convince there is conspiracy in this matter.
 

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Come on, man. Did you read all the tweets? Just read all the Bollywood and cricketer tweets and tell me they're not obviously orchestrated by the government. Same day, use of similar words, it's clear as day. Gun to head.
I read Sachin and Lata Mangeshkar tweet. Calling for amicable solution and no interference from foreign influence is not out of ordinary thing to do. Calling him dog and not worthy of Bharat Ratna is quite low.

I have been saying that and I have voted NOTA in last 2 election. Trust me I don't get paid by BJP, my only benefit is that I want farmers to get their due which we have denied them even after 1991 liberalisation and believe there is an organised attempt to discredit farm bills which will help farmers all over the country. Anything else is a distraction.
 

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Another funnything about tweets, PR government was fist-shaking and shouting "freedom of expression" just weeks ago when Trump was booted off Twitter.