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We would certainly make a lot more fouls that's for sure.
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Agreed. Pep had always had jobs where he had the best squad and virtually an open cheque book. What Klopp did with Liverpool was much more impressiveNo I don’t think so. Klopp on the other hand? Absolutely no doubt we would have another title. We should have got him before Liverpool and boy have we lived to regret it.
But we didnt sign a 60m defender to keep him out in the same summer!We have a 40m midfielder who barely plays. And a 20m teenager with 10 minutes to his name.
United aren't paupers by any means.
Replace "Defending poor Ole" with "Defending poor Jose" and that would be your posts till Dec 2018Just to put something into perspective
Manchester City
- Premier League: 2017–18, 2018–19[229]
- FA Cup: 2018–19
- EFL Cup: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20
- FA Community Shield: 2018, 2019
Joined City
1 JULY 2016
I can't help but being amused at Pep haters that ridiculously claims:
1. He needs the team to his vision (well doh, that's what great manager does)
2. He needs expensive players (At least he bought big and deliver)
3. He needs to be backed 100% (He earnt it being the best active manager in the job)
Yet at the same time defending poor ole
1. He's hamstrung by Ed, he only got 300M to spend
2. He needs to be judged when we have Sancho, Halaand, and a new CB, which practically if realized made our total spending close to 1bn with nothing to show
3. Ole doesn't have 150M fto spend on fullback, he just have 130M, how can he compete.
I mean, you can support ole, but for the love of god be realistic, this is Pep Guardiola we're talking about. This same of bollocks we used to laugh on RAWK about SAF won't cut it if he joins Liverpool instead of United. It reeks jealousy and pettiness.
Also a 20m full back who we've sent out on loan.We have a 40m midfielder who barely plays. And a 20m teenager with 10 minutes to his name.
United aren't paupers by any means.
Pretty sure out net spend in the same time has been nearly as high if not more than City.Havent got the money. Thwy have a 41m defender signed in the summer that nobody talks about ffs
Not really true. We signed Pogba for 89 million, signed Matic for 40 million. We already had Herrera. Then we signed Fred for 50 million and De beek for 35-40 million.But we didnt sign a 60m defender to keep him out in the same summer!
And thats just one defender, he has hundreds of millions worthof players in the same boat.
At Utd we would never have been able to spend 100m on a position where we already had Laporte and bench him. Only an oil club can do that.
It's not a stick at all. My point is that those who suggest Guardiola would fail here because he needs extensive resources ignore the fact that United do have extensive resources. We like to pretend we're the poor but honest neighbour feeding on scraps when in reality we're one of football's biggest spenders.If we're gonna use diallo as a stick to beat with, I feel I have to mention the combine cost of our starting front three today is £15mil
Well, he spent 800m-900m, it is not surprising. It just means that even without Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany and Aguero, he still has very expensive investment of squad he brought into the squad.Fernandinho, silva, Kompany, De bruyne, augero, Sterling.
His best and most critical players, he actually inherited.
However I’m most impressed with him this season which is actually odd because he’s found another way to win.
His buys actually haven’t been all that great.
Pep's a much better coach than Klopp, why do you think Klopp would have done better here than Pep?No I don’t think so. Klopp on the other hand? Absolutely no doubt we would have another title. We should have got him before Liverpool and boy have we lived to regret it.
Pep is off course on of the best managers in the world, but NO MANAGER CAN DO MAGIC.Since he took over City they have spent 850m which is a insane amount but in that time we spend 700m and most here will agree we spent it awfully and gave it too the wrong managers etc. But if Pep came here instead and he spent 700m do you think we win the league ? Yes city had a better base when we started which helps aswell but I feel it is 100% a yes that he would of won the league with us.
This isn’t anything on Ole before anyone tries to say it is I actually feel LVG and Jose where the wrong people.
The reason I made the thread is in the Pep thread a lot are saying he should be winning the league etc with the money spent(which is true) but I feel he is that good of a manager.
Klopp is better at making teams punch above their weight without needing ridiculously heavy investment. With all due respect to Pep the teams he`s managed any half decent manager would win something. The Barca team he inherited was one of the best teams in the world that was on the cusp of greatness, Bayern is in a one horse title race(and he failed to win a CL there despite the level of talent he had and what he added whilst he was there) and he`s spent the type of money at City which if he didn`t win anything major would be a major major shockPep's a much better coach than Klopp, why do you think Klopp would have done better here than Pep?
Pep is the best coach in the world when he has all the pieces there. He can get a level out of a team that I’ve rarely seen, but he’s also only ever had jobs where it’s pretty easy for him.Pep's a much better coach than Klopp, why do you think Klopp would have done better here than Pep?
I think you're going a little over the top there (though I wouldn't rule out that there are posts further back in this thread that justifies that).Just to put something into perspective
Manchester City
- Premier League: 2017–18, 2018–19[229]
- FA Cup: 2018–19
- EFL Cup: 2017–18, 2018–19, 2019–20
- FA Community Shield: 2018, 2019
Joined City
1 JULY 2016
I can't help but being amused at Pep haters that ridiculously claims:
1. He needs the team to his vision (well doh, that's what great manager does)
2. He needs expensive players (At least he bought big and deliver)
3. He needs to be backed 100% (He earnt it being the best active manager in the job)
Yet at the same time defending poor ole
1. He's hamstrung by Ed, he only got 300M to spend
2. He needs to be judged when we have Sancho, Halaand, and a new CB, which practically if realized made our total spending close to 1bn with nothing to show
3. Ole doesn't have 150M fto spend on fullback, he just have 130M, how can he compete.
I mean, you can support ole, but for the love of god be realistic, this is Pep Guardiola we're talking about. This same of bollocks we used to laugh on RAWK about SAF won't cut it if he joins Liverpool instead of United. It reeks jealousy and pettiness.
Naive. Moyes got Fellaini, then Mata. With 3-4 correct, immediate buys and outgoings, the whole squad looks different. Pep would of course win the league here, a superior manager. Not only that, we would play excellent football everyone would love.There’s no evidence that Pep could drag a team up. And dragging is exactly what we’ve needed since SAF. I’m going to go with “no”. There are deeper issues than the manager here.
Our midfield was neglected for 7 to 8 years. Even when we signed Pogba we had to cheap out with a free transfer up top in Ibra and a he could be good wide man from Dortmund.Not really true. We signed Pogba for 89 million, signed Matic for 40 million. We already had Herrera. Then we signed Fred for 50 million and De beek for 35-40 million.
Yeah but you should go with the fancy method where you arbitrarily choose only defenders, so your point strenghtens. Oh and please include goalkeepers, too.Not really true. We signed Pogba for 89 million, signed Matic for 40 million. We already had Herrera. Then we signed Fred for 50 million and De beek for 35-40 million.
No I don’t think so. Klopp on the other hand? Absolutely no doubt we would have another title. We should have got him before Liverpool and boy have we lived to regret it.
Even if you believe that Pep and Klopp have intensive styles that take a lot out of the players , its reasonable to suggest that they would have firstly, seen success already and secondly, leave behind a far better team than before. I personally believe Klopp might have peaked with this Liverpool side, but he's rebuilt that team into world class players, when he leaves he will no doubt leave behind a better team than he inherited. Its similar at City but i refuse to give that oil club any credit.And by this stage, even if we won a title under Klopp, we would ned to start all over again and would be behind where we are now. Klopp's teams perform at maximum for 2.5 seasons... we know this... we have two precedents.
This is why why Fergie didn't opt for Pep or Jose or Klopp... they're seasonal managers... their teams only work and are run into the ground for 3 seasons max. Alex wanted - as he is his football philosophy - to maintain a dominance over many years, not just three. It's why he went for Moyes.. but our stupid new CEO didn't gahve the patience to wait for Moyes to take control... now we've got some fans who can't even wait for Ole.... some folk just never learn, I guess.
Sure, if you ignore all the many reports and quotes by other manager that suggest Moyes wasn't our first choice, as well as quotes from SAF himself:And by this stage, even if we won a title under Klopp, we would ned to start all over again and would be behind where we are now. Klopp's teams perform at maximum for 2.5 seasons... we know this... we have two precedents.
This is why why Fergie didn't opt for Pep or Jose or Klopp... they're seasonal managers... their teams only work and are run into the ground for 3 seasons max. Alex wanted - as he is his football philosophy - to maintain a dominance over many years, not just three. It's why he went for Moyes.. but our stupid new CEO didn't gahve the patience to wait for Moyes to take control... now we've got some fans who can't even wait for Ole.... some folk just never learn, I guess.
No, it wasn't neglected.Our midfield was neglected for 7 to 8 years. Even when we signed Pogba we had to cheap out with a free transfer up top in Ibra and a he could be good wide man from Dortmund.
He also won league title with KdB missing whole season, he won league title with players like Otamendi and Stones as CBs.Those transfers that spanned years is 12 months of transfers for Pep.
Im not saying we dont spend money but Pep spent over half a billion on a squad that already had KDB, Silva, Fernandinho, Aguero and Sterling playing. If he didnt have those and came into a side that had EL and finished 5th and had to spend money on positions that cost the biiig money then God knows what the budget would be.
Imagine what he would have had to spend to fix our midfield, defence and replace Rooney, Lingard, Mata etc. He wouldnt be playing Martial and Rashford at such a young age ala Foden so add in players in those positions as well and then he would need a massive squad behind the starting 11.
Theres no way we could budget for that. We would never have spent 50m on another LB if we spent so much on Mendy, for example. Impossible.
You didn't hear a lot of players of Barcelona saying that they were desperate to work under Pep, considering he was promoted from Barcelona B to first team manager during the actual career peak of the best group of players that football has ever seen. Pep could not have picked a more fortunate time to take over a club if he got to spend 100 years picking and choosing his moment to get it just right.Probably. No offence to Ole but I don’t remember hearing many players that have signed for you talk about how much they wanted to work with him etc. It’s mostly down to wanting to play for United. With Pep you’d have both draws.