Ole's coaching was strong enough to disband Martial F.C.
Not even Jose could achieve that.
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Not even Jose could achieve that.
He had a nice patch. Does he now look remotely like that player?
Playing purely as a striker and won feck all.
First season he was close to that in goals, looked better than ever and won us the FA Cup.
Unbeaten run: Ole is at the wheel. Ole doubters shall meet a thousand Amaterasu flames in hell
Horrible run: the players. no investment.
Horrible run: the players. no investment.
It's fair enough that we had a few players injured.
Pogba was an 80-90m player, VDB 40m etc.
But generally we can't claim poverty really.
Also, Rashford would be at least a 50m player if he came onto the market, same with Greenwood. So that's 100m of attacking value we've been lucky enough to have up through the ranks.
Pogba was an 80-90m player, VDB 40m etc.
But generally we can't claim poverty really.
Also, Rashford would be at least a 50m player if he came onto the market, same with Greenwood. So that's 100m of attacking value we've been lucky enough to have up through the ranks.
Reality is kicking on now I think though.
All but the most deluded knew we hadn't done anything to improve the team in the summer. Fair enough there was a pandemic, and 100m for Sancho would have been horrible.
But we all knew the squad weaknesses.
It does make you wonder what the real story was with VDB, shelling 40m out on him then barely giving him a look in.
He barely starts when Pogba is out, so the "he's Pogba's replacement" talk doesn't wash either.
There have been several months when both VDB and Mata were fit, and Bruno was still playing 3 games a week without a rest. Good timing to wait for VDB and Mata both to be unavailable to make this point.
Whilst it's obvious we don't have the depth City do - nobody does - we still have had some depth which Ole has very often chosen not to use.
Whilst it's obvious we don't have the depth City do - nobody does - we still have had some depth which Ole has very often chosen not to use.
Can’t get every transfer right and this was clearly a player put forward by VdS and decided upon by the transfer board.
Ole didn’t veto especially as the price was so good and he was highly rated, but Ole has clearly been disappointed with what he sees in training and games.
It happens, Keita’s a great example at Liverpool.
You cant possibly mean that.Of course he does, Manchester United fans, especially ones with Ole in their username have been telling us for ages now that a manager is pretty pointless.
Manchester United fans.... it’s mind blowing.
I am usually wary of usernames composed of 'ole' and 'boii' or some variation of that, but that poster seemed reasonable in the CE forum.
In his defense, I did kind of provoke him.
Is that really the case though? I remember at the time of the signing that there was news that Ole had personally called VDB several times to convince him to join. Either way, it looks like something is not right and more money potentially wasted.
I don’t think it’s at all weird if a highly rated player is offered to you and you call him to say you want him to join, only to be disappointed in the reality of it.
As I say, Klopp was jizzing in his pants until he saw Keita play. It happens.
I’m all for hypothetical debate, but Guardiola has to be considered miles ahead of Olè until there’s any evidence to suggest otherwise. Swap the two managers and fast forward a couple of years and the outcome would be predictable.
Edit: It doesn’t mean Olè is a bad coach either, he’s just being compared to the best of the lot in this scenario.
Edit: It doesn’t mean Olè is a bad coach either, he’s just being compared to the best of the lot in this scenario.
the lengths people are willing to go to excuse Ole. Mon Dieu
Tongue in cheek obviously, but I do believe any manager in the PL could win the title with this City team.
Could everyone do it as convincingly as Pep? And 3 times in 4 years on top of this? No. That is what separates the best from the rest.
But it all starts with the players. The worst manager with the best team is always gonna outperform the best manager with the worst team over the course of 38 rounds. Players are way more important than managers when you look at seasons in isolation. Over 5-10 year periods(or longer) I'd agree that it's primarily down to the manager.
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It made sense it my head...
I Should have said ‘he’s moaning saying that we shouldn’t spend. Then moans that we don’t spend.’
It made sense it my head...
I Should have said ‘he’s moaning saying that we shouldn’t spend. Then moans that we don’t spend.’
Absolute nonsense. We have our fair share of £40m+ players. Crazy how our fans who witnessed one of the greatest managers in history win title after title and the only conclusion they made after those 26 years is that any average Joe could have done it. You would think our fans like no others would appreciate what a good manager can achieve. But no, they instead believe that anybody can become great if he is given 5 years.
To be honest if not for those questionable penalties (at least to me, but since arsenal is not challenging top 4 so i don't care), thing may look a bit different.
The space as the second character in the title is killing me
yes we’d be evenhigher if VAR was half decent which is also missed by a lot of people.
If it’s just about money spent on the squad and wages, then there should also be a clear distance between United and 17 of the other teams (i.e. minus City and Chelsea). Instead we are bunched up with a bunch of other teams like West Ham and Everton.
Let's not kid ourselves. We are lucky to be 2nd (not for long though).
Why? Which other teams have been better than us and deserve to be there?
Honestly with current form you are in top 4 fight with the rest of the pack after sunday.
I don't really get how that's relevant, unless when we play city. By the same logic, we should be beating palace, west brom, sheffield, everton amd istanbul basaksehir.
We definitely haven't done the best recruitment, but we are also not coached as well as i think we should be.
We definitely haven't done the best recruitment, but we are also not coached as well as i think we should be.
No team deserve to be 2nd. All teams have been very inconsistent. However I think we have been pretty lucky with some comeback wins (or wins like against Wolves) and according to stats, we are 4th best which is probably about right. I think Chelsea will finish above us for sure. I can definitely see us dropping to 5th as our wheels completely fell off. But whether we finish 4th, 3rd or even maintain 2nd - that's not the point. Point is, we are absolutely least likely out of City, Liverpool and Chelsea to mount a serious title challenge next season. City will no doubt be a machine yet again, Liverpool have been extremely unlucky with injuries this season and will be better next season for sure and then we have Chelsea, who have a history of doing the unexpected (+ they got a decent manager). I think it's quite clear that 70 pts is Ole's ceiling and it's not gonna take us very far.
This would make sense if people were disappointed in Ole because of purely results.
You need great players to win titles, you don't need great players to build an identity or improve the collective of a team. This has been proven time and time again.
If we didn't look so fecking clueless, slow and predictable in our play even with our best players im sure more people would have time for him
You need great players to win titles, you don't need great players to build an identity or improve the collective of a team. This has been proven time and time again.
If we didn't look so fecking clueless, slow and predictable in our play even with our best players im sure more people would have time for him
Can you tell me when this has been proven please?
Honestly mate, after the weekend we’re likely to be behind Leicester, better we wait and see how the season pans out.
Leicester showed last season, being in a good position for most of the season means absolutely naff all.
Klopp completely changing Liverpool's style and implementing his style on the team even when they had a fecking rubbish squad. Pep doing the same to City with a 80 year old defence and midfield. Nagelsmann at Leipzig. Hassenhuttl at Southampton. Potter at Brighton. Marco Rose. The list goes on.
Even if all those styles weren't followed with consistent results due to the quality of personnel, you can identify their style and there is evidence of coached patterns of play and movement.
So of your examples (of which there are apparently plenty) of teams building an identity whilst not having good players.
a) Man City aka the most expensive squad ever assembled
b) a Liverpool team that are currently below us playing much worse football.
c) a team that is going to be relegated
d) a Southampton team that I have absolutely no idea how they play because who the feck watches Southampton.
What a fecking terrible post.
The Liverpool and Man city squads I gave examples of were when those two first came in. Yet you're comparing them currently.That Liverpool team are currently terrible, but are coming off two seasons winning the CL and EPL - something which looks like an afterthought with our current 'coach'
Glad you admitted you know feck all about Southampton and Brighton, I weep for you, you must not be aware of any fast, exciting football. Should try giving teams with lesser players who play better football than us a try sometime - refreshing break from the fecking drab 0-0 games we have to endure everytime we don't get a penalty or rely on a moment of brilliance
Also just for a little topping - one of the aforementioned coaches knocked us out of the CL with far inferior players. Funnily enough, you seemed to have missed him
Continue with the straw man arguments though, seems to be the only thing people who want to keep Ole have to try and justify their continued support for him
Obviously we deserve to be second, we're second. Numbers don't lie, you play the games on the schedule, etc.
Whether or not this gormless lump Tim Long has a point about us spending less than City, I mean, what does that say about the rest of the league? If that's all it comes down to, fold the league already. There's always going to be teams that spend more, and there are going to be teams that literally have no chance of competing for the Top 4, let alone a league title. What do we play the games for then? Run a FIFA sim in August and crown a champion then.
Southampton and Brighton have scored four goals in their last eight league games.What a fecking terrible post.
That Liverpool team are currently terrible, but are coming off two seasons winning the CL and EPL - something which looks like an afterthought with our current 'coach'
Glad you admitted you know feck all about Southampton and Brighton, I weep for you, you must not be aware of any fast, exciting football. Should try giving teams with lesser players who play better football than us a try sometime - refreshing break from the fecking drab 0-0 games we have to endure everytime we don't get a penalty or rely on a moment of brilliance
Also just for a little topping - one of the aforementioned coaches knocked us out of the CL with far inferior players. Funnily enough, you seemed to have missed him
Continue with the straw man arguments though, seems to be the only thing people who want to keep Ole have to try and justify their continued support for him
Of course it's true. I've tried to pick the core squad players from each team.
City
60m in 2 GKs (plus those that have come and gone since)
170m in 4 LB/RBs
200m in 4 CBs
220m in 5 CMs
200m in 5 FWs
= c. 850m for core squad.
United
20m in 2 GKs (DDG, Henderson)
95m in 4 LB/RBs (Telles, Shaw, AWB, Williams)
140m in 4 CBs (Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe)
220m in 5 CMs (Pogba, Matic, Fred, Fernandes, McTominay)
50m in 5 FWs (Rashford, Martial, Cavani, Greenwood, James)
= c. 550m for core squad.
We could add 7 or 8 £40m players to our squad before parity. Imagine being able to bring on Joao Cancelo instead of Brandon Williams, Mahrez instead of James, Laporte instead of Tuanzebe, Aguero instead of Martial. We'd be a lot less likely to see performances like last night.
The depth in quality for Manchester City vs the rest of the PL teams is a huge factor for this season's PL, absolutely no coincidence that every other team is suffering too.
We're doing very well under the circumstances, IMO. (Squad strength, pre-season prep, fixture burnout etc.)
City
60m in 2 GKs (plus those that have come and gone since)
170m in 4 LB/RBs
200m in 4 CBs
220m in 5 CMs
200m in 5 FWs
= c. 850m for core squad.
United
20m in 2 GKs (DDG, Henderson)
95m in 4 LB/RBs (Telles, Shaw, AWB, Williams)
140m in 4 CBs (Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe)
220m in 5 CMs (Pogba, Matic, Fred, Fernandes, McTominay)
50m in 5 FWs (Rashford, Martial, Cavani, Greenwood, James)
= c. 550m for core squad.
We could add 7 or 8 £40m players to our squad before parity. Imagine being able to bring on Joao Cancelo instead of Brandon Williams, Mahrez instead of James, Laporte instead of Tuanzebe, Aguero instead of Martial. We'd be a lot less likely to see performances like last night.
The depth in quality for Manchester City vs the rest of the PL teams is a huge factor for this season's PL, absolutely no coincidence that every other team is suffering too.
We're doing very well under the circumstances, IMO. (Squad strength, pre-season prep, fixture burnout etc.)
Don’t even bring the most plastic team ever into the equation