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The bad "V"
Good shout thisWe ain't second mate. And it's likely we'll be very close to 4th and 5th once the games play out this weekend
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Good shout thisWe ain't second mate. And it's likely we'll be very close to 4th and 5th once the games play out this weekend
That's a very fair and reasonable post.I'm firmly Ole in, but failure to get top 4 should result in him losing his job. If he wins the EL then it can be reconsidered.
Every manager in the post Fergie era has been fired after failing to get CL football after a full season. Ole should have the same demands. What's interesting is that he is likely to be the first manager to get top 4 two times in a row. If we strengthen the team further this summer then I have a hard time seeing him falling out of the top 4 next season as well. The question then becomes: how long is a manager allowed to stay without winning major trophies? What's the limit there? 3 years? 5? Even longer?
6th..... Now we know your just having a laugh.
Do tell me what would be acceptable about becoming sixth or even fifth?
What would be the extenuating circumstances that would make it reasonable?
Would that still show progress?
If we win Europa he can come 6th. Ole should be given the same rules as our previous managers.
Football has changed mate and Ole doesn't have the credentials that Fergie had. Also the club made a clear plan to hire Fergie and if we are honest we fell into having Ole as manager as Jose was sacked.
Was wrong on the near 4th or 5th and as I always said am glad to be wrong.Good shout this
Has Klopp ruled out ever managing Man Utd due to his Liverpool stint?1. I think Kloop is done at Liverpool, will either leave or get sack this season.
2. Laporta want Pep back to Barca to revive the team.
3. Maybe worth to keep Ole for another season to see what he can do?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...Man-United-job-turned-never-crossed-mind.htmlHas Klopp ruled out ever managing Man Utd due to his Liverpool stint?
Yeah I hear ya. I don't think we'll drop out of the top 4 but never say never.Was wrong on the near 4th or 5th and as I always said am glad to be wrong.
Still was likely though.
You underestimate us. We lack the consistency of a title winning team but we've shown we can beat anybody. Gone are the days when we looked like sure victims in some games.Was wrong on the near 4th or 5th and as I always said am glad to be wrong.
Still was likely though.
Why would anyone hate Ole and why would anyone be jealous?
Ole is a lovely bloke and a United legend. People expressing concerns about his coaching ability and tactics doesn’t mean they hate him. I personally never wanted him as full time United coach, I don’t think he has the ability to turn us into serial winners. We just have become a team that has a purple patch every now and then, then reverts back to an overly cautious team that looks like the coaching team have zero game plan. I’d say there are a few coaches out there who’d get better performances out of our players, all United fans simply want good football and a team that seriously challenges for major honours. That does not make them haters nor jealous of Ole. They’re simply fans who want to best for their team..
He was an amazing teenage player at Southampton and did very very well under Van Gaal.Except for Luke Shaw who is having the best season of his career: https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/luke-shaw-credits-two-men-for-his-brilliant-man-utd-form#
What.
The.
feck?
Really need to read that book of yours.Wow.
Talk about not getting it.
It. Is. Not. About. This. Season.
If he could get us 4th every year he would stay as manager until the owners sold up. That barrier to getting in the champions league and the riches it brings is all they are after. They would take last season's finish every year if they could.I'm firmly Ole in, but failure to get top 4 should result in him losing his job. If he wins the EL then it can be reconsidered.
Every manager in the post Fergie era has been fired after failing to get CL football after a full season. Ole should have the same demands. What's interesting is that he is likely to be the first manager to get top 4 two times in a row. If we strengthen the team further this summer then I have a hard time seeing him falling out of the top 4 next season as well. The question then becomes: how long is a manager allowed to stay without winning major trophies? What's the limit there? 3 years? 5? Even longer?
That's just pure conjecture and I would rather say nonsense . The kind of money we have spent albeit poorly since Sir Alex's retirement clearly suggest otherwise.If he could get us 4th every year he would stay as manager until the owners sold up. That barrier to getting in the champions league and the riches it brings is all they are after. They would take last season's finish every year if they could.
At that time you would have said who the feck is Beckham scholes etc. If we had the same owners as we have now and the same commitments Fergie would have been sacked without anyone having a say in itWow.
Talk about not getting it.
It. Is. Not. About. This. Season.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has signed the best young teen talent around the world; from Real Madrid's academy, from Barcelona's academy, from south America, from Italy... robbed some off Man City.
Pretty much everything Solskjaer has been putting in place since he came in is only about 30% of the way through fruition.
Amad Diallo
Matej Kovar
Marc Jurado
Willy Kambwala
Alvaro Fernandez Isak
Hansen-Aaroen
Hannibal Mejbri
Charlie McNeill
Joe Hugill
Shola Shoretire
Facundo Pellistri
This is what Ole is building... all for the future.
It doesn't matter one jot if we are 2nd this year or 8th...
Same goes for next season.
Of course we would all like to finish as high as we can while we are in transition.. But the result of the transition is most important, not how many turns we take on the way to our destination. How can you not understand that?
Some fans don't have an ability to see past the "now!", the "this season". It's scandalous. They've chosen the wrong club to support.
Imagine sacking Alex in 1989 because he finished 13th and somebody saying, but hold on... have you seen what Alex is building in the background? And then they gave you a list like I have above, but in it were names like David Beckham, PaulScholes, Ryan Giggs, Nicky Butt etc... would you just have said "But we finished 13th!! I couldn't give a feck about the future. I only care about the now!" Just imagine how stupid it would have been to have said something like that...
Is it? That's just your thought on it. How come every manager has been sacked when top 4 hasn't or didn't look like been achieved? This was shown the day after VG won the FA cup, but finished 5th. Trophies don't come into the equationThat's just pure conjecture and I would rather say nonsense . The kind of money we have spent albeit poorly since Sir Alex's retirement clearly suggest otherwise.
That's the best idea. I think Fergie was even on that prior to the glazersSolskjaer should just get rolling contract renewals contingent on him meeting the club's objectives e.g. Champions League football. There's no need to hand out Moyes length six year deals. Just give Ole a year extension with the option of another year, and keep doing that unless Ole decides he wants to go or he doesn't make Champions League.
With his way of writing I won't hold my breath.Really need to read that book of yours.
But that's not the point you were making what it proves is that's the bare minimum a manager needs to do stay in the job but whether thats the extent of Club's ambition is not conclusive .Our spending actually suggest Glazers want to Challenge for trophies because you don't spend that kind of money just to be top 4 club unfortunately money haven't been spent well that's where the problem lies.Is it? That's just your thought on it. How come every manager has been sacked when top 4 hasn't or didn't look like been achieved? This was shown the day after VG won the FA cup, but finished 5th. Trophies don't come into the equation
I am all for being positive and I've preached so many times about the importance of patience and sustainability over immediate results but I don't agree that it doesn't matter at all.It doesn't matter one jot if we are 2nd this year or 8th...
Same goes for next season.
He did, but the difference is no one thought the club would ever refuse to give him the new one-year deal. Doing that with any other coach would be like keeping him on a permanent tight leash.That's the best idea. I think Fergie was even on that prior to the glazers
A very unique writing style indeed. It might start a new period in English literature.With his way of writing I won't hold my breath.
At that time you would have said who the feck is Beckham scholes etc. If we had the same owners as we have now and the same commitments Fergie would have been sacked without anyone having a say in it
Solskjaer should just get rolling contract renewals contingent on him meeting the club's objectives e.g. Champions League football. There's no need to hand out Moyes length six year deals. Just give Ole a year extension with the option of another year, and keep doing that unless Ole decides he wants to go or he doesn't make Champions League.
But Fergie used to have a rolling contract.That wouldn't play well in the dressing-room.
The players HAVE to know who the boss is; that it's his way or the High Way. If players have an inkling that the manager will get sacked in teh summer, then they have control of the dressing-room, not the manager.
It would be suicidal.
Also, it wouldn't play well for player transfers if they thought the manager who convinced them to sign may be leaving in the summer cos his contract may not be renewed.
Our football club, more than any other, needs to prove long-term investment in a manager. That's what helps sustain long-term success.
Ferguson was THE BOSS of Manchester United. He controlled everything. The players never had any control, cos they knew who the boss was. Ole has to be considered the boss by all of the players. He can't be considered, by the players, as somebody who may or may not get a contract renewal in the summer. That. very simply, wouldn't bring us long-term success.
Did very very well under van Gaal? First season unde LvG he was in and out of the team, LvG even critizised him about lack of comitment. He played 20 games inn all competitions that season. Second season under LvG Shaw started fatastic but was injured in mid september and played 8 games in all competitions that season. How could that be playing "very very well"?He was an amazing teenage player at Southampton and did very very well under Van Gaal.
But Fergie used to have a rolling contract.
I think the longest contract he ever signed was three of four years. After awhile it became pointless to put a number on it because everyone knew he wasn't going anywhere, so they just kept rolling it over til he said he was done.
I don't see any issues with Ole getting a rolling deal. They can just reference Fergie's deals.
We don't want that, though - do we?He controlled everything.
Mourinho was on £15 million. Ole between £7.5 - 9 million from various reports with most of them going with the former figure.Do we know - from reliable sources - what sort of money Ole is on?
My impression is that he's on far less than Maureen. Possibly less than LVG too.
agree with you. Only for me the all important question, does ole have the potential to develop the talent of the players? I do not think so. l am for ole dof.Wow.
Talk about not getting it.
It. Is. Not. About. This. Season.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has signed the best young teen talent around the world; from Real Madrid's academy, from Barcelona's academy, from south America, from Italy... robbed some off Man City.
Pretty much everything Solskjaer has been putting in place since he came in is only about 30% of the way through fruition.
Amad Diallo
Matej Kovar
Marc Jurado
Willy Kambwala
Alvaro Fernandez Isak
Hansen-Aaroen
Hannibal Mejbri
Charlie McNeill
Joe Hugill
Shola Shoretire
Facundo Pellistri
This is what Ole is building... all for the future.
It doesn't matter one jot if we are 2nd this year or 8th...
Same goes for next season.
Of course we would all like to finish as high as we can while we are in transition.. But the result of the transition is most important, not how many turns we take on the way to our destination. How can you not understand that?
Some fans don't have an ability to see past the "now!", the "this season". It's scandalous. They've chosen the wrong club to support.
Imagine sacking Alex in 1989 because he finished 13th and somebody saying, but hold on... have you seen what Alex is building in the background? And then they gave you a list like I have above, but in it were names like David Beckham, PaulScholes, Ryan Giggs, Nicky Butt etc... would you just have said "But we finished 13th!! I couldn't give a feck about the future. I only care about the now!" Just imagine how stupid it would have been to have said something like that...
GoldTrafford already prepped with his new account in case of a ban.So this is where all the eeeeeeediot Ole haters are. Good to see they are going to be quite for a few days at least!
Eeeeeeeeeediots!
Sounds about right.Probably has some bonuses included in terms of achieving CL and so on, but it is pretty much half of what Jose was earning.