The murder of Sarah Everard | Couzens sentenced to a whole-life order

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Never ever trust a police officer. And for anyone who thinks that I have done nothing wrong so I have nothing to worry about, not everything is as you think....
 

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shes Been locked up for ‘assisting an offender’

Could be absolutely anything.
Yeah, I saw that - guess we don't know enough about the details just yet.

I went to the same school as Millie Dowler and she was 1 year above me, so this all hits home unfortunately.
 

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Never ever trust a police officer. And for anyone who thinks that I have done nothing wrong so I have nothing to worry about, not everything is as you think....
Couldn't agree more
 

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Never ever trust a police officer. And for anyone who thinks that I have done nothing wrong so I have nothing to worry about, not everything is as you think....
Unfortunately there is a lot of truth in this
 

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There seems to be reports of attacks around where Sarah was in the months up to this incident.

Also some mention of women disappearing etc around Margate, Broadstairs, walker etc.

Not sure of the geography so don't know if it's close or relevant myself
So is there an idea that he is a repeat offender?
 

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Can't speak for fingeredmouse (what a name) but I'd be hard-pressed to name a girl I know that hasn't been sexually harassed or assaulted. I know there's a difference between the two but they go hand in hand and one leads to another. My gf has been sexually harassed 3 times in the last year whilst out around the town centre in the day time.

One blocked her path (mid fecking pandemic but let's not even start that) and leered at her making kissy noises whilst staring her up and down. Another called her a slut because she took her jumper off (obviously a t-shirt underneath) in a Wilco because she was hot. It boils my blood.
Thankfully my girlfriend, even though stunning, has never dealt with this.

She is shocked how many girls seem to have been.
 

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Wait a second. So the police as an institution deserve our unyielding & unwavering respect & admiration?

Wow. That in & of itself is quite the delusion.

And please don’t use the ‘bad apples’ retort. We’re well past that.
 

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Wait a second. So the police as an institution deserve our unyielding & unwavering respect & admiration?

Wow. That in & of itself is quite the delusion.

And please don’t use the ‘bad apples’ retort. We’re well past that.
That idea is as stupid as 'never trust a police officer'. Ridiculous blanket statements.
 

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That idea is as stupid as 'never trust a police officer'. Ridiculous blanket statements.
Actions by police officers tend to have a bit more impact than blanket statements. The blanket statements have to start somewhere.

Sorry, but there is currently more truth in not trusting a police officer than holding the institution up as a paragon of virtue. Recent events around the globe can attest to that.
 

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Actions by police officers tend to have a bit more impact than blanket statements. The blanket statements have to start somewhere.

Sorry, but there is currently more truth in not trusting a police officer than holding the institution up as a paragon of virtue. Recent events around the globe can attest to that.
It's a ridiculous blanket statement. Doesn't mean you have to hold them up as a 'paragon of virtue'. What is with the extremes?

Let's not make out UK police are anything like US police either.
 

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sorry to barge in but what a load of bollox!!!

Utter tripe and I feel sorry for you if you have this belief
You have absolutely no knowledge of my experience and why I can say this.
But carry on believing in the tooth fairy.
 

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You have absolutely no knowledge of my experience and why I can say this.
But carry on believing in the tooth fairy.
I don’t. Correct. At least you’ve been right once today.

To spout the words ‘NEVER, EVER trust a Police officer’, is absolute crap.
 

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It's a ridiculous blanket statement. Doesn't mean you have to hold them up as a 'paragon of virtue'. What is with the extremes?

Let's not make out UK police are anything like US police either.
Didn’t reference a specific country, referenced the institution.

Negative police actions have more purchase than positive police actions, more impact. This ultimately isn’t fair on the entirety of the institution, but the institution allows these actions to continue through various errors.

Probably not the best thread in which to discuss this, but it’s pretty simple to see why many view the police in the negative extreme. It’s not like curtailing blanket statements from the anti-police side is going to make a difference one bit. That’s not going to change the institution.
 

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Didn’t reference a specific country, referenced the institution.

Negative police actions have more purchase than positive police actions, more impact. This ultimately isn’t fair on the entirety of the institution, but the institution allows these actions to continue through various errors.

Probably not the best thread in which to discuss this, but it’s pretty simple to see why many view the police in the negative extreme. It’s not like curtailing blanket statements from the anti-police side is going to make a difference one bit. That’s not going to change the institution.
Well now you really are getting into a big debate. The UK police do a great job. This scumbag didn't even carry out his 'crimes' as part of his policing as far as we know. He was just a scumbag.
 

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Well now you really are getting into a big debate. The UK police do a great job. This scumbag didn't even carry out his 'crimes' as part of his policing as far as we know. He was just a scumbag.
That’s one of the institutional errors, hiring scumbags.
 

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If it turns out this guy is responsible, we're going to get wholesale changes at the Met. Led by the leading officer of the public execution of a Brazilian electrician, who has only been promoted in the years since.
 

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If it turns out this guy is responsible, we're going to get wholesale changes at the Met. Led by the leading officer of the public execution of a Brazilian electrician, who has only been promoted in the years since.
What's this about?
 

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There are only so many checks you can do. Thats a lazy argument to put against policing. Is there evidence he had any previous?
It’s policing the citizenry, it deserves far higher standards of hiring than the ‘typical’ job. As an institution, it does & has done poorly in that respect. But we’re getting into a discussion that is probably better had in another thread.
 

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I don’t. Correct. At least you’ve been right once today.

To spout the words ‘NEVER, EVER trust a Police officer’, is absolute crap.
The police claim to police by consent.
Nice words but totally inaccurate.
How can they make this claim when in the vast majority of instances, they have little or no contact with the public.
You say crap.
But I am talking from experience. And not a pleasant one at that.
 

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It’s really lame that people think someone losing their life is a trigger for them to start pushing agendas and rhetorics.

Not 24 hours have past and you’ve got a section of social media saying women shouldn’t walk alone, victim blaming and ‘notallmen’ trending ffs.

Youve got another section talking about how men should be curfewed and pushing the anti man agenda.
And of course the anti police agenda.

Do people think they’re being a good person when they do this stuff?
It literally just makes you look like a cnut when you use someone’s death to push your bs.
 

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It’s really lame that people think someone losing their life is a trigger for them to start pushing agendas and rhetorics.

Not 24 hours have past and you’ve got a section of social media saying women shouldn’t walk alone, victim blaming and ‘notallmen’ trending ffs.

Youve got another section talking about how men should be curfewed and pushing the anti man agenda.
And of course the anti police agenda.

Do people think they’re being a good person when they do this stuff?
It literally just makes you look like a cnut when you use someone’s death to push your bs.
This is right. It is the polorisaiton after any event like this. Victims are forgotten for agendas. Nothing achieved other than further divide. It is very easy to get caught up in too.
 

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The police claim to police by consent.
Nice words but totally inaccurate.
How can they make this claim when in the vast majority of instances, they have little or no contact with the public.
You say crap.
But I am talking from experience. And not a pleasant one at that.
That’s fine. I appreciate you’ve had bad experiences but to say NEVER, EVER is childish.

I apologise again, I don’t know how old you are so you might still be young but your comment is akin to saying NEVER, EVER eat seafood because you were poorly from it.

It’s stupid. Especially in the UK where it is fair to say the Police do more good than harm in most places
 

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That’s fine. I appreciate you’ve had bad experiences but to say NEVER, EVER is childish.

I apologise again, I don’t know how old you are so you might still be young but your comment is akin to saying NEVER, EVER eat seafood because you were poorly from it.

It’s stupid. Especially in the UK where it is fair to say the Police do more good than harm in most places
Ok. One last comment.
I am 70; not a child and not stupid and by the way, don't like sea food.
 

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It’s really lame that people think someone losing their life is a trigger for them to start pushing agendas and rhetorics.

Not 24 hours have past and you’ve got a section of social media saying women shouldn’t walk alone, victim blaming and ‘notallmen’ trending ffs.

Youve got another section talking about how men should be curfewed and pushing the anti man agenda.
And of course the anti police agenda.

Do people think they’re being a good person when they do this stuff?
It literally just makes you look like a cnut when you use someone’s death to push your bs.
Nailed it. I hate it too, utterly disrespectful.
 

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sorry to barge in but what a load of bollox!!!

Utter tripe and I feel sorry for you if you have this belief
Don't be sorry, you're free to disagree.

I worked with police forces for 15 years and I don't think it's a load of bollox.

Some of what goes on is unbelievable in my experience
 

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It’s really lame that people think someone losing their life is a trigger for them to start pushing agendas and rhetorics.

Not 24 hours have past and you’ve got a section of social media saying women shouldn’t walk alone, victim blaming and ‘notallmen’ trending ffs.

Youve got another section talking about how men should be curfewed and pushing the anti man agenda.
And of course the anti police agenda.

Do people think they’re being a good person when they do this stuff?
It literally just makes you look like a cnut when you use someone’s death to push your bs.
There's some really weirdly toned posts and comments going around sparked from this, literally trying to shame all men about it. There's no way to respond because it's all very 'not all men', obviously, which was originally meant to have a slightly different angle. It wouldn't be accepted for any other demographic though. It's odd.

We all do have to do more to help each other and shut down any shit we see, but it's weird to shame people who have done nothing wrong, and an unhelpful way to go about it.