Juventus? You meant PSG?
Btw, nobody is scared of liverpool. It's the fallout from the clasico that has us spooked
Zidane sack watch - 19/20
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Btw, nobody is scared of liverpool. It's the fallout from the clasico that has us spooked
Sure they have a long way to go, but that's very far from impossible for them to surpass SAF in the eyes of everybody but Manchester United fans and Scottish people I guess. How can you be objective and claim neither can ever get there when they're still really young coaches? Again, top red stuff.
Anyone can have their own opinions and perspective on the value of certain competitions, but what Zidane has done is historic on its own, and there's been a lot of great teams in the past that have failed to do what he has, he's got plenty of time to get to more titles depending on how long he decides to remain a manager. Pep managed the team that most people will consider the greatest club team of all time. I'm not talking about British fans, but the average fans across the globe aren't going to remember or care what SAF did in Scotland, people hardly even care of the circumstances, what stays through history is what was won, how many times, etc. Pep's got 8 league titles across three different leagues, with plenty more time to collect, and already just as many CLs as SAF. I'm not saying either are guaranteed to have a better career, far from it, but I'm fairly confident they will be likely remembered and spoken in the same sentence if they keep at it the way they have so far, only time will tell.
You said it was a matter of time, and I disagreed. How can you read my posts and come to the conclusion that I said they can never get there. And then add the top red nonsense. Your interpretation comes across as anti-red rather than mine being top-red.If you form your opinions based on the "average fans across the globe" then great. But I don't. For me, Sir Alex has nearly the perfect package - broke a dual dynasty, built dynasty in a top league, won CLs (the one blot is that he should have won 3 or 4), attacking football, promoted youth, elevated some no so great players through sheer winning mentality, trophy haul. I never said "nobody can ever surpass him". But as things stand, I don't see anyone expect to rate higher anytime soon. Maybe that will change.
Pep is brilliant and among the all time greats, but I think he is very specific in the kind of teams/players he suits. Funnily enough if he had a bit of Klopp (he's better than Klopp of course) in him, that ability to build and elevate something imperfect, then he'd be much higher for me. Zidane has a long way to go. As I said, just 2 titles in the league at an elite club like Madrid - long way to go. CLs achievements are brilliant but early days.
Find it hilarious how people present this nonsense with absolute certainty. Just because you choose to be ignorant, doesn't mean everyone else certainly will be.
You are absolutely right regarding Guardiola and I absolutely don't consider Guardiola to be amongst the best ever. If you have the most money in the league he can ensure that you dominate your league, that is everything Guardiola guarantees. Guardiola himself is following the general philosophy of Cruyff - who I consider to be amongst the best ever, as he was both successful and gave Barcelona an identity that still lasts until today, not only affecting the first team, but also by creating La Masia.
So for me Zidane is just below someone like Cruyff - but at least on the same level as Guardiola, might have the edge above him.
Are you really this daft? Know the official story. He was a at a party with rich folks, top gangsters, Ribery and what not. And she happened to be there. A 17 year old should not be there with adults of course so there's blame on the person(s) who were hosting that party. When a man sollicits for sexual services, I dont think he expects that he would be solliciting it from a 17 year old. Which is true in this case because if you saw the pictures of the girl she looked hella old. And I didn't she was ugly, just HELLA old looking. Of course it's stupid. But almost all single footballers pay women for sex. Some even when they are married.
I still have the uncomfortable feeling they're going to b00b it up against Liverpool.
He might very well retire as the most succesfull manager of all time, if he keeps going as long as he can. Like Pep, he had instant succes, so he can walk the biggest clubs from now on if he decides to leave Real again.
She didn't look old but she didn't look 17 either.
There is nothing wrong with a 21 year old sleeping with a 17 year old in France. Sexual majority is 15 years old.
It's the fact that it is illegal for a minor to be a prostitute that created a scandal in the first place but she lied about her age and none of them knew she was actually 17 as she was reputed in the business..
If you think that makes him an "horrible person", have a world with yourself as you say, cheating on your wife or being under rape accusations seems a lot worse, I could name you plenty of player who did the first one and the most popular player on the planet falls in the second category.
This Ribery stuff is a bit off-topic no?
Wasn’t really comparing the managers so much but the teams. Someone said that Zidane’s 3 peat team was better than Pep’s Barca, which I disagree with.
An assessment of the managers would have to factor in their whole careers, and Zidane’s has been very short so far so it’s hard to make a direct comparison
Facts. We need to stop this nonsense
If Madrid get through, I think Chelsea have a good chance against them (if they get through; can’t be counting any chickens)
That's nonsense. The Barca - Chelsea ref performance will go down as one of the worst of all time.
The Real Madrid - Bayern game was pretty standard before VAR was introduced.
I don't really understand this post. It took Ferguson quite a while to start winning PL titles at United, why would it be outrageous to suggest that managers who get better opportunities early on and manage teams in better positions can catch up to that number of titles? It's a completely harmless observation.
Of course they can. But I don't believe it's a matter of time for Zidane and Pep to surpass Sir Alex as far as being better managers. You could make an argument that Pep would do so, as far as trophy count but I definitely rate Sir Alex comfortably higher as a manager. Zidane has a very long way to go on every parameter. My view isn't 'outrageous' either. Nor is disagreeing with a view that feels so.
Pep and Zidane aren't going to achieve the things Ferguson achieved because they began at the top. Their career trajectories are just never going to look very similar. If the standard is "wake up a sleeping giant" then that's just never going to happen.
Nonsense. By the time pep and zidane are done they will end up with 5-6 european trophies under their belt. Just because they didn't start at the bottom should not mean they are automatically at tier below fergie.
I think Halftrack just wanted to have a dig at me at my own expense. Without bothering too check himself on this peculiar subject. You know scoring points for the caftards.
I think he's someone who's suited to managing Real, and Real only. I can't see him anywhere else, especially when what he's doing, by hook or by crook, just seems to work almost every time.
He's a Madrid fan who is definitely not implying that but making the case for Zidane.
Yeah, 2 or 3 offside goals for Madrid, a ridiculous red card for Vidal, failing to send off Casemiro was pretty “standard”.
The Chelsea game has been blown out of proportion by butthurt Roman’s paid scribes in the media. Barcelona got their fair share of unjust decisions in the tie
Agree 100%. Again, imo it’s not how many pots you win it’s about maximizing the potential output of your team/squad given resources at your disposal. SAF’s management record is unreal, to judge him basically on only how many European pots he won is shortsighted.
I see Madrid in the final, but that’s me. Injuries of course will play a part, but I don’t see anything special in this Chelsea side.
I think Madrid have the pedigree to win it all, although City or PSG wont be easy.
I don't think Pep will ever get 5 or 6 CLs.
It's been a decade since his 2nd one.
He's a very limited coach when it comes to big CL matches (relative to his resources), and struggled even when he had prime Messi, Xavi, Iniesta etc. at his disposal.
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And in a perfect world his 2009 CL victory wouldn't have stood.
Hugely depends on how long he plans to manage honestly.
Injuries will play a part and RM will be fighting on 2 fronts so it will be difficult for them. Chelsea have tightened up at the back (weird game against West Brom notwithstanding) so I give them a decent shot against Madrid.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what you said, that’s clearly the logical conclusion for Madrid to get to the final if they close out the Liverpool game (still a big ‘if’). I just have a hunch that Chelsea could spring a surprise if the two teams face eachother.
“supports Real Madrid”
Wasn’t Abidal wrongly sent off in that game?
He is a limited coach though! Imagine what Moyes would accomplish if he was made Uni...City's manager.
Well, while I can see why Bayern complained, Vidal deserved two red cards before that. First of which would have led Bayern to play with 10 men for almost the whole game, which is not the best scenario when you want to overcome a negative result.
He kicked Anelka's foot into the back of his leg. Looks like Anelka trips himself but only because of the initial contact. Abidal already should have been off anyway by the laws of 2009 for trying to remove Drogba's shirt when the latter was through on goal.
Sure but I think it's fair to argue that Guardiola and Zidane have maximized the potential output of their squad at various points given the resources at their disposal. It's just they have a lot of resources.
Zidane for sure, Guardiola I don't think so. He's come out blanks in Europe for a decade despite having billion dollar squads.
Bayern played against Real Madrid six times during the Ancelotti-Zidane run. They won 1 game in regular time (which they then lost in extra time), drew 1, and lost 4, including three consecutive losses at home with a goal difference of -6. Referees weren't responsible for that, they just had no moxie.
You're right, Roman's paid off myself and so many others. What a ridiculous comment to make.
You should rewatch both the Barca - Chelsea semi final and the Bayern - Real games to be honest.
You'd be hard pressed to say any top level manager in history, who's managed for a good amount of time, has come close to maximizing the resources available to them.
7 league titles in the past decade though so.......