The bad (typically gun related) things happening in America thread

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As paradoxical as this sounds, I bet you'd have less brain and other injuries if Gridiron banned helmets and protective padding.
probably, but the draw of gridirion to most people is the violence, cuz America.
 

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probably, but the draw of gridirion to most people is the violence, cuz America.

It is weird how sickening violence is celebrated as sport. Trying to seriously hurt an opponent so that they can't continue to play is part of the game.
 

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It is weird how sickening violence is celebrated as sport. Trying to seriously hurt an opponent so that they can't continue to play is part of the game.
As a species we revelled in watching people fight to the death in our past and executions were a form of entertainment. So honestly it doesn't surprise me.
 

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I don't know bro, padding and helmets give people an unrealistic sense of safety which might induce people to do even more stupid shit that they wouldn't do otherwise.
Due to dozens of deaths on football fields in the early 1900s, there was congressional legislation enacted to curb the violence. Helmets still were slow to become totally vogue until the 40s. They do allow for many to play beyond their fear threshold, but the physicality of today’s game coupled with the enhanced physiques of the modern players would spell disaster if they didn’t have protection. There would be game altering changes mandated due to the resultant carnage.
 

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I don't know bro, padding and helmets give people an unrealistic sense of safety which might induce people to do even more stupid shit that they wouldn't do otherwise.
The irony comes in to play in the fact that adding helmets is what saved the game from being banned by President Theodore Roosevelt.
 

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The irony comes in to play in the fact that adding helmets is what saved the game from being banned by President Theodore Roosevelt.
Makes sense Teddy did it, but it's a shame all of the painting omit the helmet and pads from him charging up San Juan hill.

 

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The irony comes in to play in the fact that adding helmets is what saved the game from being banned by President Theodore Roosevelt.

I remember reading that they used to sew suitcase handles onto their uniforms and run in a flying V formation holding onto each other, smashing defenders.
 

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Not quite.
Take away the pads, the helmets, eliminate blocking, use a scrum(mage) instead of scrimmage, take away the forward pass and eliminate unlimited substitutions. That will change the game and reduce concussions immediately.
Change the name of the game to, idk, rugby?
 

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CTE??

If it is it will be yet another in a long list of items that has drastically limited my football watching. I am just having a hard time reconciling my enjoyment of a game that is quite literally destroying the brains of others.

Not saying we should ban football, just that I can't really enjoy it anymore.
In the local newspaper today there’s an article where his sister is saying his behavior and mental health took “a dramatic turn” in the last couple of years... so quite possibly.

Pretty chilling, as me and him were the same age.
 

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thoughts and prayers
teachers should have guns
good guys should have guns
guns don't kill people

did I miss any of the right wing talking points?

edit: can't believe I forgot "now is not the time to talk about gun legislation"
 

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thoughts and prayers
teachers should have guns
good guys should have guns
guns don't kill people

did I miss any of the right wing talking points?

edit: can't believe I forgot "now is not the time to talk about gun legislation"
Too soon.
 

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We are in the grey information zone right now where just ‘victims’ are discussed, not the severity.

This could come out being 11 dead, 7 injured & no one would bat an eye. I surely wouldn’t.

But cnuts like Marsha Blackburn probably have a ‘tots & pears’ platitude tweet ready to copy & paste & fire off.
 

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Can’t forget the ‘well, are you just going to ban all weapons now’ justification.
 

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We are in the grey information zone right now where just ‘victims’ are discussed, not the severity.

This could come out being 11 dead, 7 injured & no one would bat an eye. I surely wouldn’t.

But cnuts like Marsha Blackburn probably have a ‘tots & pears’ platitude tweet ready to copy & paste & fire off.
This shooting, no matter the outcome, proves their "we need the good guys with guns" argument to be a fallacy. The reports say a resource officer responded immediately and he/she got shot as well.
 

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This shooting, no matter the outcome, proves their "we need the good guys with guns" argument to be a fallacy. The reports say a resource officer responded immediately and he/she got shot as well.
Listening to Knoxville live news right now. They are saying that first responders needed police officers to hold shields up, etc. to safely escort them into the carnage.
 

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This sums up how typical these are in our lives...

A traffic reporter in a helicopter is circling above the hospital right now, discussing the number of mediflight helicopters on the roof & how many police vehicles are on scene / police officers killing about, not looking too frenetic.

This has become a cottage industry in our country.
 

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And, here’s the skinny...

One dead, potentially the gunman. Another victim was shot along with the cop.

So, this could actually fall under a ‘mass shooting’ event, further obfuscating the true issue. It could fall under ‘officer involved shooting.’

As if that makes it any better.
 

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And, here’s the skinny...

One dead, potentially the gunman. Another victim was shot along with the cop.

So, this could actually fall under a ‘mass shooting’ event, further obfuscating the true issue. It could fall under ‘officer involved shooting.’

As if that makes it any better.
I’ll take “summarize America in one sentence” for $500
 

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Is it just me, or is this a particularly bad streak of mass shootings recently? Or is it more a question of media coverage?
 

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Is it just me, or is this a particularly bad streak of mass shootings recently? Or is it more a question of media coverage?
Probably the latter, incidents seem slightly higher but probably more getting coverage too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019
 

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Feels like it’s because everything has opened up and gotten back to normal over there and then you realise normal is a mass shooting at least every other day.

feck America, seriously
 

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Feels like it’s because everything has opened up and gotten back to normal over there and then you realise normal is a mass shooting at least every other day.

feck America, seriously
I’ll never understand comments like this.

The overwhelming majority of the US population wants changes to be made and support tighter gun control. The problem comes from money in politics and the spineless corporate shills running the country.

To have the reaction of “feck the whole country” is bizarre to say the least.
 

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I’ll never understand comments like this.

The overwhelming majority of the US population wants changes to be made and support tighter gun control. The problem comes from money in politics and the spineless corporate shills running the country.

To have the reaction of “feck the whole country” is bizarre to say the least.
Until that overwhelming majority stands up to those in power and does something about it then feck America.

If they keep voting for those that don’t want to change anything then they’re their own worst enemies.

The whole country is complicit in the way things are, ergo feck them.
 

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Until that overwhelming majority stands up to those in power and does something about it then feck America.

If they keep voting for those that don’t want to change anything then they’re their own worst enemies.

The whole country is complicit in the way things are, ergo feck them.
How would you propose that they do this?

Hypothetically, you’re American, what would you be doing to change the broken two party system and improve the situation?
 

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How would you propose that they do this?

Hypothetically, you’re American, what would you be doing to change the broken two party system and improve the situation?
If the overwhelming majority wants gun reform laws then they do non stop protesting and they don’t let up until the politicians that are gun lobbyists are out. Make it completely toxic not to want gun reform and don’t stop until it’s done. Don’t let them have a minutes’ peace, protest in every city and every town.

Or more extreme and ultimately more likely to effect change, civil war. When Americans see full scale bloodshed on their doorstep it might actually wake him up, as it is they comfortable with what they’ve got.