Pogba on the differences between Ole & Mourinho
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Sometimes I feel everyone at United would just shut the feck up and help us actually win something meaningful like PL/CL.
I don't think I've ever seen a positive post from you.“I sink I am very disappointed with Pogba. ‘E was what we call in Portugal a bad egg. There are good eggs and bad eggs, and bad eggs give you food poisoning. Pogba was so bad ‘e made me shit out a lung. Good eggs give you omelettes and Paul gave me salmonella. But there are other farmers that will say “eggs is eggs” yet still refuse to feed their children. Sank you.”
Leaves press conference leaving journalists bewildered and and shouting out half questions in his wake.
Then you haven't looked.
To my original point, win something and then talk all you want. It doesn't help when you are also rans.
Very measured and reasonable comments from Paul.
Don't understand how a single Fan ever sided with Jose.
Man was so toxic.
Don't understand how a single Fan ever sided with Jose.
Man was so toxic.
He's won the World Cup, does that count?
Haha - desperate much?
He's spent much of his time at United leaving fans bewildered how to "unlock" Pogba. Meanwhile his lapdog tells us how we're not good enough for his client.
Exactly. I couldn't have said it better.
What I slightly disagree upon (and I stress on slightly) is regarding the ability to find specialists in everything. Don't take me wrong you're technically right especially at a top club level. However in practice, the first team coaching staff is still regarded as a very close knit environment. That makes it very difficult for people from the outside to enter such bubble irrespective of how talented these new people may be. I applaud the likes of Sir Alex who always kept his door open for new people to come in and swiftly come up the ranks, despite the risk of muddy the waters. Its said that Keane's relationship with Sir Alex started to nosedive when the manager stuck with Carlos. However as we both agree, I still prefer a top man manager over a tactical manager. I dare to say that a modern manager can't really succeed at top level without being a top man manager. There's simply too much ego around players these days to just ignore such key aspect of the game.
This reminds me what my older cousin used to say about managers. Before managers become totally obsolete they tend to go mad first. I found that comment to be a tad too dramatic but he's sort of right. Top Managers tend to be sore losers especially those who rely on their own strengths (ie tactical type of managers) rather then that of the collective. It must be quite frustrating for a former A Rank manager such as Mourinho to see his once successful tactics not working as they used to do. Thus shifting the blame on others becomes easy for them. Sacchi used to do the same.
Well, he seems to have done the same at Spurs with Alli and Winks, its fine alienating players but then not letting them leave in the transfer window either is silly.
It is a very well timed interview post the spurs game, perhaps even putting more pressure on Jose until the rest of the season.
I wonder how players these days feel about working under Jose now given all the negative media around his style.
It is a very well timed interview post the spurs game, perhaps even putting more pressure on Jose until the rest of the season.
I wonder how players these days feel about working under Jose now given all the negative media around his style.
Jose has been slandering his players in public for so long that some day some player is bound to pay with interest. Although pogba has delivered a civilized criticism, yet damning enough.
The way Jose called out Shaw was very disgusting and unprofessional. I lost lot of respect about him after that.
The way Jose called out Shaw was very disgusting and unprofessional. I lost lot of respect about him after that.
I'm sorry, but you're going to have to explain to me what you mean by "desperate much?".
Jeez.
Who gives a rats you know what what he's won with France? I am neither french nor a PP fanboi. I only care about his ability to win PL/CL with United. Thats what we paid world class fee for, remember?
He won as many trophies as Jose with/for ManUtd. If Jose can talk, Pogba can too.
Jose said nothing to Pogba. Anything he said was while they were together. Are you deliberately being obtuse?
kind of feel the same way. We know Jose was toxic, but so has Pogba's agent. What next Jose comes comes out and bashes Pogba.... keep that stuff behind the scenes.
It's almost like Jose wants all the credit when it's good, but when it's bad none of it is his fault
Yep, I remember that one. It was Brighton away in the league towards the end of the season. Something along the lines of now you know why Lukaku and Matic must always play.
Think it was in the 2017-18 season after he dropped Lukaku to start with Rashford and Martial upfront. Might have been West Ham away but not sure which game it was. But yeah I do remember him going on about how now you know why I always play Lukaku and insinuating that Martial and Rashford weren't good enough to play upfront.
Edit- As @rotherham_red says it was Brighton, not West Ham.
He said it quite seriously with a straight face, and then kind of awkward giggle at the end.
Can't call it "hit back" as such, but the tone was surely negative.
Okay. So you don't want to explain what "desperate much?" is supposed to mean in your own personal version of the English language, and you don't actually mean that Pogba has to win something to earn the right to talk about a manager. You mean instead something you didn't bother to write, namely that Pogba has to win some specific competitions for a specific club, before he can talk about a manager who hasn't won either of those competitions for the same club.
Yes, exactly. @sugar_kane posted the link to it before. It was a league game, not a cup game, I'd remembered it wrongly.
A professional player will not lay down everything in an interview. We need to read between the lines. Of course what he said is kind of known to everyone. Nothing revealing as such but good that some player finally calling out Jose publicly. Long time overdue.
Those were some dark days on the caf and in the United fandom when his acolytes were roaming around and blaming everything but the sun and the moon to defend him and his cult of personality.
Arguably the most toxic period I've witnessed as a United fan as there was a basically a civil war raging within the fanbase for months on end.
Thank feck that most of that lot have moved on to supporting Spuds now
It could be the complete opposite as well. He has been captain in the last game ahead of Bruno, and he's playing well. I think this interview is Ole allowing him to represent United a bit more.
I think he knows he won't be facing him next season or in the Champions League so he doesn't feel like he has to hold his tongue.
I'm thinking the same thing. He's being put in a position where he shines, on the left flank, even moving Rashford sometimes to the right to accommodate him. He got the captaincy for yesterday's match over Bruno, which is a clear signal he's being acknowledged as a team leader. Ole never has anything bad to say about him. This fits right in. It now seems to make sense that he should stay. That was not the case not too long ago.
Yeah, so Pogba should have come it swinging while Jose was still here. Is that what you want?
So they can only talk if they win PL/CL, are together
It's ok for Jose to talk shit about player, feed the press with all negative stories but it's not ok for player to talk about manager. You would have moaned about player if he spoke against Jose when Jose was ManUtd manager (how can player talk against manager, back in my days bla bla bla nonsense)Jose spoke shit about all his players, Pogba was asked about how different Jose was from Ole and also about Jose's post match comments.
Jose also spoke about Pogba after his sacking (his excellency nonsense he came out with)
Always nice to hear two sides of the story. Its obvious Mourinho is a prick and always will be.
Luke Shaw has said pretty much the same but people still continue to try and find something to criticise Pogba with.
My stance is the same anyway. Regardless of what he does next season, whilst he's here, if he's putting in the performances he has for most of the season, then I'm happy.
Luke Shaw has said pretty much the same but people still continue to try and find something to criticise Pogba with.
My stance is the same anyway. Regardless of what he does next season, whilst he's here, if he's putting in the performances he has for most of the season, then I'm happy.
People lost their shit when Pogba just said we should attack more, but apparently they should only talk about each other when they are together.
fecking hell, people just make up nonsense just to moan about anything
Luke Shaw, too?
He did talk about the player not wanting to go home with team bus but in his Ferrari or some other car like that. Maybe he was talking about eeer, Mata?
You are underestimating Ole as a tactical manager. His general record against top managers is good. That doesn't come from "good feels" but by understanding and exploiting tactical weaknesses in the opposition. Our problem comes mostly against very defensive teams where player quality in the final 3ed is the deciding factor along with some experience.
The mind boggles.
The bit where the reporter asks him about the fact that we only had 4 shots on target across both games and if this is a concern was hilarious. He dismisses the question because 'That's stats, that's statistics'
Agree on the bolded however I do think Ole is tactically better than many give him credit for.
You can bring experienced tactical coaches in.
You can’t teach somebody man management, it’s pretty much a trait you have or you don’t.
It tends to come from being a decent person first and foremost, you rarely get a persons respect without that, then knowing what you want and what each player needs (an arm around them, a kick up the backside etc) to get you there.
How will not speaking help? What sort of strange policy is that? How about you stop speaking until you earn a six figure salary?
I actually love the “what I have with Ole” quote. Sounds like they are pretty close with mutual respect.
I have no problem with Pogba giving his opinion to the media, but he has to accept that Mourinho will respond and when he does I hope Paul can take it like a man and let the issue go.
Nobody wants a back and forth in the media especially between 2 teams that have won nowt.
Nobody wants a back and forth in the media especially between 2 teams that have won nowt.