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Inigo Montoya

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I don't think you can completely debar all protests due to the pandemic otherwise we're allowing human rights, free speech, rights of people etc to be trampled upon without any voice for the people/fans. So for me that post criticising our fans is a bit much. Maybe they care more about the club than getting the virus. Easier than siting here, doing feck all and criticising them.

On the other hand I also think your post is incorrect. In a pandemic, the science clearly says that large gatherings without social distancing being maintained hugely increases the chance of spread. There's no logical reasoning to suggest otherwise
There is enough evidence from the BMJ and even scientists on the Sage committee to suggest otherwise
 

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They are laughing dude. Get a grip ffs. Do you think this affects parasites like Glazers? Take them on financially if we can.
They'll soon stop laughing if we do this every week.

The worst thing is they will begin to arrest us like criminals whereas the real criminals are that lot for stealing our asset.
 

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I don't think you can completely debar all protests due to the pandemic otherwise we're allowing human rights, free speech, rights of people etc to be trampled upon without any voice for the people/fans. So for me that post criticising our fans is a bit much. Maybe they care more about the club than getting the virus. Easier than siting here, doing feck all and criticising them.

On the other hand I also think your post is incorrect. In a pandemic, the science clearly says that large gatherings without social distancing being maintained hugely increases the chance of spread. There's no logical reasoning to suggest otherwise
I don't totally agree with it, but this post, I think is a more reasonable statement.

For me, at the end of the day, this is just a game. Is it worth risking people's lives and livelihoods during a pandemic over?
 

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There is enough evidence from the BMJ and even scientists on the Sage committee to suggest otherwise
Yep, its a shame with the pandemic on, but we can't let them walk all over us. Blame the Glazers for launching the ESL during this time when the fans arent at the ground. The blood is on their hands.
 

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It's one game.

We're fighting for the future of our club.
Then why did the protesters move away? Don't let the game happen then. Ensure it. Don't let any games happen at OT further. I am sure if you ask any of our legends SAF included, they will agree that this only damages the football. Nothing else.
 

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This isn’t related to anything that’s going on but I was actually wondering…on a final day of the season where two teams can potentially win the title (so for example that day), where is the PL trophy kept??
 

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They'll soon stop laughing if we do this every week.

The worst thing is they will begin to arrest us like criminals whereas the real criminals are that lot for stealing our asset.
Yes they will. Then let's lay an all out seige on OT. Dont budge until the Glazers sell. But tell me one thing who is going to buy our multi billion club in the current economic climate?
 

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This isn’t related to anything that’s going on but I was actually wondering…on a final day of the season where two teams can potentially win the title (so for example that day), where is the PL trophy??
There would be two of them with different types of ribbons, one of them carefully brought back to HQ if not needed.
 

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Yep, its a shame with the pandemic on, but we can't let them walk all over us. Blame the Glazers for launching the ESL during this time when the fans arent at the ground. The blood is on their hands.
Agree with that. However I’m in favour of the protest and there have been larger gatherings of late.
It’s not the time to start criticising people for exercising what is a fundamental tenet of democracy
 

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And erm what have these so called fans achieved in doing to the Glazers? They are still here and will be here after the game. I am all for protests but not like this.
Your kind of spurs protests with one guy playing a banjo won't make any difference. If you're a Glazer apologist you should be banned.
 

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Then why did the protesters move away? Don't let the game happen then. Ensure it. Don't let any games happen at OT further. I am sure if you ask any of our legends SAF included, they will agree that this only damages the football. Nothing else.
There will have been a small percentage of the number that will have been genuine protestors and probably a majority were just ‘sheep’ or followers.
 

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Then why did the protesters move away? Don't let the game happen then. Ensure it. Don't let any games happen at OT further. I am sure if you ask any of our legends SAF included, they will agree that this only damages the football. Nothing else.
Why take it to the extreme to prove a point?

That they moved back out of the ground shows restraint. The fans don't want to stop football, they just need to be heard. We have been ignored by the club for too long. The debt isn't going away so the Glazers must go.
 

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That sounds like a better plan.


Not sure it will. Unless they stop every single game from now until the Glazers leave. Then it becomes a game of attrition. Not sure about the longevity of protestors to do that, though.


I thought FAs sometimes punish clubs for the misdeeds of their fans. E.g. calling off a match if the fans start spouting racist abuse, etc etc.
The FA will fine united for this match not starting at 4:30.
 

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Liverpool players might not feel safe to play :( bet they expected Madrid to play the other week when they had their bus windows to put through.
 

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They are laughing dude. Get a grip ffs. Do you think this affects parasites like Glazers? Take them on financially if we can.
You have to start somewhere and every little bit counts. If every fan did their bit I'm sure the leeched would feel it.
 

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There is enough evidence from the BMJ and even scientists on the Sage committee to suggest otherwise
What? That avoiding social distancing does not impact the spread of the pandemic. How does it spread btw? Pretty sure it's mostly through close contact.
 

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I don't think you can completely debar all protests due to the pandemic otherwise we're allowing human rights, free speech, rights of people etc to be trampled upon without any voice for the people/fans. So for me that post criticising our fans is a bit much. Maybe they care more about the club than getting the virus. Easier than siting here, doing feck all and criticising them.

On the other hand I also think your post is incorrect. In a pandemic, the science clearly says that large gatherings without social distancing being maintained hugely increases the chance of spread. There's no logical reasoning to suggest otherwise
We had to rely on logical deduction from very limited evidence this time last year. At that point the deductions that mass protests are likely super spreader events were indeed totally logical. That isn’t the position the experts take any more.

Here is an example from India at the back end of last year.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-become-covid-superspreader-events-2021-2?amp

Here is an example of the BLM protests midway through last year

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge

What Fauci says is that it increases the risk. No longer fears of super spreader events, no “massive increase in risk”, because the impact of spreading is so much higher indoors than outdoors.
 

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Fair play to Neville. Clearly he's been told to retract his supporting for 'storming' the stadium and he's stood his ground.
 

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No I think Fauci is brilliant, the WHO do vital work and it is not a particularly controversial statement that, contrary to early expectations, mass protests have generally had a very muted impact in the pandemic. It has an impact, but not one that’s proportionate to the original claims.

You started with anecdotal evidence and stopped there. If you don’t like the fact that be easily replicated in the opposite direction, maybe it’s better to use a holistic assessment of the evidence.
I didn't. You are contradicting Fauci and WHO advice on the basis of your "hundreds of anecdotal evidence". I am advocating for listening to the experts who have advised against this kind of behavior.

And now you're backtracking shifting the goal posts of the argument.
 

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I don't totally agree with it, but this post, I think is a more reasonable statement.

For me, at the end of the day, this is just a game. Is it worth risking people's lives and livelihoods during a pandemic over?
It depends. Was the racist assault of a black man worth it? For some people their football club is everything. I'm wary of big gatherings right now. But in a sense that's a convenient excuse to silence the common man. Ideally social distancing should obviously be followed.
 

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By violence? Good luck. Smashing cameras helps a lot.
A camera tripod was thrown. That was stupid. But when people are pushed to anger, you can't be surprised when some take it too far.

It does not invalidate the anger or the rest of the mainly peaceful protest.
 

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That sounds like a better plan.


Not sure it will. Unless they stop every single game from now until the Glazers leave. Then it becomes a game of attrition. Not sure about the longevity of protestors to do that, though.


I thought FAs sometimes punish clubs for the misdeeds of their fans. E.g. calling off a match if the fans start spouting racist abuse, etc etc.
Yeah, but it's a start.
 
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