Do you acknowledge that the 3 bolded words in your statement can be disputed? Or are you the type of Dictator, (sorry, Prime Minister) that doesn’t accept differing points of view?
Sure they can be disputed. The same way some people dispute that slavery caused the Civil War.
That’s your response?
They’ve not made a microscope powerful enough to find the fecks I give about your opinion of my teaching.That’s your response?
Damn, I hope you don't teach Debate as an elective in your South Carolina corner of the world!
Take your time, teacher, and give an educated response as to why your position is infallible and in any way comparable to Civil War arguments about slavery and reasons for war.
All those things can only be done at government level or by hamas. How should the average palestinian being expelled from his home behave? How should a random palestinian having his ass kicked while praying react? How should a parent who saw his kid die because of a bomb that maybe was targeting an hamas target the building next to where they live? How are these people suppose to react to all of this?
Your insecurities are showing
I see! You are a dictator, and any differing view on the Caf is grounds for “trouble” from the moderator! We all know that you’ve wielded that sword against me in the past and threatened a ban, instead of constructively debating. Carry on, my Totalitarian leader!
The UN Security Council, the Charter of the United Nations, the International Court of Justice, the International Criminal Court, the Geneva Convention...
Okay, well, you’re wrong. I literally said I’d withdraw the military occupation the first time.
Yeah, that’s 2% that could still have been offered.
So land taken through conquest. Yeah, I’d propose giving those back. If Israel exists, it should be what the UN mandated it to be when it was established, not what it has expanded itself to be.
Godwin's Law fail.
The key phrase being “occupied”. In 1967, Israel, through a war they didn’t start, won this land. I understand this can be disputed, but my stance is that Israel isn’t occupying this land; they are governing this land (just like the US after WW2 with many lands across the globe.) Occupy is a word used by the defeated
And give up your power? Ok. Maybe you aren’t a dictator! You’re just a coward.
oh, so total capitulation! Again, see above
Israel exists! Get over it
Absolutely. And yes, the average Palestinian suffers. But the anti-Israel, anti-zionist movements should really channel their efforts on fighting and freeing the Palestinian civilians from Hamas, a radical terrorist organization who holds millions of civilians captive and brainwashes them to hate Israel more than to love their own children. Israel, on the other hand, will not lay down and submit to those that believe that their struggle will not be over as long as there are living Jews in Israel. Israel, like every other sovereign nation, has every right to defend itself from any aggressors that call for its destruction. The more damage they can inflict on Hamas, the better. And unlike Hamas, Israel notifies residents to evacuate before bombing and they do their best to strike only militants and terrorists. From the other side, missiles are purposefully aimed at civilian targets.
You trust Hamas to govern?
Why are you talking about the word occupied under my answer to “who says they’re illegal”?
Okay...?
Yet in Northern Ireland the vast majority of British troops could say the same because that was their experience, but it doesn't mean a small minority (or at least a minority) committed terrible acts. The other factor is that even the soldiers who "did nothing wrong" were still part of what a large portion of the population considered an occupying force. Yet that view didn't make them part of the IRA.
Sorry but that argument went out of the window when Israel was attacked time after time by 2-4 different aggressors at a time, decade after decade. They rejected the UN proposal to which Israel agreed, they attacked Israel with the intention of total destruction and annihilation of Israel, and they lost. They went to war knowing the risks and they lost. Why should Israel give them those lands back? And a better question would be, give the lands to whom exactly? Jordan? Egypt? Syria?
And that's enough internet for me.
This is not relevant to today and there was worldwide movement as such. For centuries they lived in harmony.
I probably missed those classes in school in which they taught how Jewish terrorists fired missiles on German civilians, performed suicide attacks in German buses and called for a total destruction and annihilation of Germany.
WW2 was a war.
you sure did buddy. There are full documented accounts of Jewish armed resistance against germans. Not surprised. You've been brainwashed enough to defend child murderer IDF troopsThey lived in harmony for centuries and they still live in harmony in many parts of the world. I don't know how any of this relevant, I just reacted to your post which was incorrect. The majority of those Jewish communities in Arab/Middle Eastern/African countries were chased out after what happened in 1948, that's a fact.
1) Hold on now... Firstly, Gaza, Golan, Sinai, and the West Bank became occupied when Israel started the Six Day War in 1967. Secondly, the last time an Arab Coalition launched a full scale war on Israel was 48 years ago, a war launched to regain territory taken by Israel in 1967.
I don't think I'll take my history lessons from someone who doesn't know the basis history of Jewish armed resistance.
Please don't tell me you're comparing ghetto uprisings to the current conflict
I can clearly see where you're taking your history lessons from, no more input is needed.
Shift goalposts now. You don't know your own history and I am not surprised.Please don't tell me you're comparing ghetto uprisings to the current conflict
Talking about brainwashed, that takes the cake. If you step out of you anti-Israeli bubble you'd see that Hamas is killing those kids, not IDF.
Not from the Zionist school of how to twist crimes against humanity and child murders into logical arguments 101.
source?
Well said.
1. Nope. Gaza, Golan, Sinai and the West Bank got occupied when Israel won the Six Day War in 1967.
That would be the school of Hamas buddy.
I mention IDF and you reply with Hamas. At least you agree to equate IDF to a recognized terrorist organization. As opposed to anti-Zionists who do argue rationally? Everyone sticks with his side in that conflict, nobody tries to change anyone's mind on a football forum.
I mean... duh. I didn’t say they lost the war. But they also started the war. They were the aggressor.
And you don’t think returning to the 1948 borders might just help the process? Cause I do.
See my response to point #2.
In case you didn't watch the news it is IDF on one side and Hamas on the other side. Who do you think shoots those missiles from Gaza? The Vatican?
(Completely ignoring that I've said nothing pro Hamas. Old Zionist tactic to project anti Israel crime as pro terrorism )
You realize that you can respect Israeli sovereignty and still also think Israel should follow international law, yes?
Most sane folk who don't have an obvious connection to Israel (blinded by Zionism/nationalism) do not take the side of illegal occupier and children murderers.
