Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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He's played so many games on the RW for Dortmund, I'm going to cry if I have to read people saying any different to that again. I just presume this myth is from people who read stats and have barely watched him, but even the stats prove he's played on both wings plenty. Yes he might end up being better on the left, but its just a lie to make it out like he's a left sided player who we could potentially be shunting out to a position he's not totally and utterly capable of playing in.
 
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This is the one thing that bothers me about this transfer too.

People can argue that he's also good on the right and that Rashford needs competition all they like. At the end of the day it's still a situation where our record signing won't be playing in his best position if we play our first choice 11, because Rashford is absolutely part of that.

After all these years crying out for a RW, the RW we sign actually being a LW is very us.
Greenwood is better than Rashford anyway so I wouldn’t be too worried.
 

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just checked the numbers on Transfermarkt. "He primarily plays LW for Dortmund" is a complete myth.

18/19:
28 games on the right (10 goals, 14 assists)
6 games on the left (2 goals, 4 assists)

19/20:
14 games on the right (7 goals, 9 assists)
11 games in the middle (4 goals, 2 assists)
7 games on the left (6 goals, 6 assists)

20/21:
10 games on the right (2 goals, 6 assists)
5 games in the middle (2 assists)
11 games on the left (6 goals, 4 assists)

so in total, that's:

52 games on the right (19 goals, 29 assists)
16 games in the middle (4 goals, 4 assists)
24 games on the left (14 goals, 14 assists)
 

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Chelsea are again being linked with him again this lunchtime, lets see who operates their transfer policy better
 

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Greenwood finished the season better than Rashford and may go on to be the better player, but he hasn't come close to reaching the same heights that Rashford has yet.
He’s considerably younger but he’s operating on a different level of talent compared to Rashford. I think Greenwood will have moved clear of Rashford next season, unless Rashford gets fit and comes back in top form.
 

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just checked the numbers on Transfermarkt. "He primarily plays LW for Dortmund" is a complete myth.

18/19:
28 games on the right (10 goals, 14 assists)
6 games on the left (2 goals, 4 assists)

19/20:
14 games on the right (7 goals, 9 assists)
11 games in the middle (4 goals, 2 assists)
7 games on the left (6 goals, 6 assists)

20/21:
10 games on the right (2 goals, 6 assists)
5 games in the middle (2 assists)
11 games on the left (6 goals, 4 assists)

so in total, that's:

52 games on the right (19 goals, 29 assists)
16 games in the middle (4 goals, 4 assists)
24 games on the left (14 goals, 14 assists)
None of our forwards are as versatile as Sancho and the numbers here don’t lie. This is another Bruno like signing in the immediate impact he could make for us
 

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Greenwood's finishing is better than most so that's to be expected, his overall game is still got a way to go to reach Rashford's impact. But he's got time on his side to eclipse Rashford eventually.
 

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The holding midfielder for sure would be needed. Trippier is more for rotation and competition for Wan Bissaka that would help far more in the league than in the CL, where it's 1 or 2 big games per round IMO. Unfortunately there is no 1 signing solution to get us there, but the quickest and closest thing would without a doubt in my mind be getting Sancho in attack for his creativity, versatility and overall class of player, and then someone like Rice to be the defensive midfielder as we don't have one now and it'd make a world of difference. We can live without a CB and go far, and Lindelof/Tuanzebe/Bailly would look far better behind Rice than they currently do (just look at Stones looking competent behind Fernandinho).

To really have a squad that can challenge the league next year, we need something like Sancho, Rice, Varane and Trippier. Cavani is good enough to cover that for 1 year with Martial and Greenwood providing competition and rotation to the front 3, but next summer striker would be a thing too.
I think so too. This is both a brilliant summer and the minimum we need really.
 

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Greenwood is the bigger talent, while Rashford is older and is more developed atm. In a couple of years im sure Greenwood is a class or two over Rashford.
 
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He's played so many games on the RW for Dortmund, I'm going to cry if I have to read people saying any different to that again. I just presume this myth is from people who read stats and have barely watched him, but even the stats prove he's played on both weeks plenty. Yes he might end up being better on the left, but its just a lie to make it out like he's a left sided player who we could potentially be shunting out to a position he's not totally and utterly capable of playing in.
It's mainly a comment made from someone who's only seen him play once or twice in the CL and made their mind up.
 

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:lol: That was funny. Greenwood has never impacted a game the way Rashford has, multiple times.
Rashford has also not impacted the game the way Greenwood has, many times.

Not sure what's so laughable about comparing the two - both are superb talents yet to reach their peak. Rashford is ahead because he's older and been a mainstay for a few seasons now. In Greenwood's first year he was phased into the team, and had 17 goals compared to Rashford's 22 goals. The two are very similar by way of tangible impact in front of goal - but their style is different. Rashford is more pacey and explosive in his dribbling whereas Greenwood is more lethal on finishing and more polished in his build up play.
 

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I think so too. This is both a brilliant summer and the minimum we need really.
Thing is, even if we swap Rice for Bissouma, it's not a far reach on our transfer spend and will still have a huge impact. Rice I feel is overpriced, no way any club is going to pay £80m for him, or whatever the fee is. Chelsea I guess would if they felt it's a big hole in their team, but they have Kovacic, Kante and Jorginho floating around. £80m to add more to that is probably toppy, even for them.
 

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Rashford has also not impacted the game the way Greenwood has, many times.

Not sure what's so laughable about comparing the two - both are superb talents yet to reach their peak. Rashford is ahead because he's older and been a mainstay for a few seasons now. In Greenwood's first year he was phased into the team, and had 17 goals compared to Rashford's 22 goals. The two are very similar by way of tangible impact in front of goal - but their style is different. Rashford is more pacey and explosive in his dribbling whereas Greenwood is more lethal on finishing and more polished in his build up play.
Good post. There’s a good few posters in here who won’t give Greenwood as much credit as he deserves. There’s a reason why he’s smashing all of our records while still a teenager. He’s a more talented player than Rashford, I think in the next couple of seasons that will become clear.
 

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Greenwoods been our best and most consistent player for the final two months of the season, when Bruno and rashfords form dipped, greenwood stepped up.

Love watching him, fast becoming a favourite, rarely wastes the ball, uses it well and amazing with both feet, some of his long range passing has been brilliant, the lads what 19 and looks quality.

He's a level above Rashford in decision making.
 

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Greenwoods been our best and most consistent player for the final two months of the season, when Bruno and rashfords form dipped, greenwood stepped up.

Love watching him, fast becoming a favourite, rarely wastes the ball, uses it well and amazing with both feet, some of his long range passing has been brilliant, the lads what 19 and looks quality.

He's a level above Rashford in decision making.
In fairness - most players in our team are above Rashford in decision making. That is what separates Rashford from a world-class player
 

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just checked the numbers on Transfermarkt. "He primarily plays LW for Dortmund" is a complete myth.

18/19:
28 games on the right (10 goals, 14 assists)
6 games on the left (2 goals, 4 assists)

19/20:
14 games on the right (7 goals, 9 assists)
11 games in the middle (4 goals, 2 assists)
7 games on the left (6 goals, 6 assists)

20/21:
10 games on the right (2 goals, 6 assists)
5 games in the middle (2 assists)
11 games on the left (6 goals, 4 assists)

so in total, that's:

52 games on the right (19 goals, 29 assists)
16 games in the middle (4 goals, 4 assists)
24 games on the left (14 goals, 14 assists)
Sticky this
 

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Apparently he starts today, let’s see if he takes a sip of water in the game
 

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:lol: That was funny. Greenwood has never impacted a game the way Rashford has, multiple times.
One has been playing for 6 seasons, the other has just finished his 2nd season. It's not rocket science that Rashford has impacted more games. He has far more experience at this point.
 

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just checked the numbers on Transfermarkt. "He primarily plays LW for Dortmund" is a complete myth.

18/19:
28 games on the right (10 goals, 14 assists)
6 games on the left (2 goals, 4 assists)

19/20:
14 games on the right (7 goals, 9 assists)
11 games in the middle (4 goals, 2 assists)
7 games on the left (6 goals, 6 assists)

20/21:
10 games on the right (2 goals, 6 assists)
5 games in the middle (2 assists)
11 games on the left (6 goals, 4 assists)

so in total, that's:

52 games on the right (19 goals, 29 assists)
16 games in the middle (4 goals, 4 assists)
24 games on the left (14 goals, 14 assists)
The numbers don't lie, however I never really heard that he plays primarily on the left, just that he seemed to be most effective from the left, which the numbers seem to show as well. His versatility would be an incredible addition, and while he might be more efficient from the left, it shouldn't come at the cost of binning Rashford who may find more efficiency himself playing along side Sancho.
 

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So how much are they asking? 77m or around 89m?
That's one of the frustrating things about this transfer. Everybody is talking around 90million, the problem is some people are saying that's in Euros others are saying it's in Pounds. Who knows which is right?
 

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He was right about us not being close to signing Sancho last year when others were reporting the contrary
 

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That's one of the frustrating things about this transfer. Everybody is talking around 90million, the problem is some people are saying that's in Euros others are saying it's in Pounds. Who knows which is right?
Why is that frustrating? It doesn't make one jot of difference to you which it is.
 

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In terms of fit, he is the ideal signing. A front 3 with all 3 of them shooters/scorers just doesn't work and isn't balanced even if you think Greenwoods long term future is on the right wing. You need one of the wingers to be a creator. Sancho is a creator. Have him on one of the wings opposite to Rashford or Greenwood, and now you have both the top class quality and depth to rotate however you want between these players where we'll have excellent balance in the attack. Sancho creating on the right will help out Rashford on the left, and Greenwood on the right if Sancho is on the left. Greenwood isn't good enough as a right winger to make that position his own yet, and our right wing has been a constant problem this season as we've been so heavily reliant on the left wing for all build up play, so Sancho would finally give us that right wing balance for most games anyway.

Right wing has been IMO our biggest need for ages now. Multiple years of having no threat on the right. You can't have a balanced attack like that, and we have way too many games where we don't create enough (hence the amount of games we finished with 0 or 1 goals), that attack just has to be fixed. And it's not down to striker. Cavani is a very good striker, but he'll be able to do that much more when fit if we have a creator in the attack as well. Takes away some creative burden from Bruno, and gives Bruno more space as now we have a legitimate threat on both wings, stretching the pitch.

In terms of signings that would make the most instant and long term impact, there's nobody more than Sancho and Declan Rice IMO. Both of them are types of players we need in positions of need. Sancho though is a proven borderline world class player for a 3 years now in that exact position. He's a creator who will help all those around him, share some creative burden from both Bruno and what Wan Bissaka currently has (as he tends to be alone on the right, even though he has absolutely no creativity). It just balances out that right wing really nicely and compliments the players around him, so it's one of the most straightforward fits into the team and the profile of player being English and having lived in Manchester already and being 21, combined with playing naturally in a recurring problem position for ~5 years now, makes him literally the ideal signing.
This is precisely it.

And many of the same people saying this signing is unnecessary are the same people who complain that we can't figure out the low blocks.

Signing a Sancho goes a long way to solving this issue. Instead of focusing all their efforts on our left hand side, they will have to devote as much time to Sancho on the other side.

Just like Bruno coming in instantly gave the rest of the attackers that little bit extra space to manoeuvre, so too would Sancho. It's a no brainer of a signing, and the sort of signing (along with a DM) that would go a long way to allowing Ole to finally put his stamp on the team he's building.
 

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Why is that frustrating? It doesn't make one jot of difference to you which it is.
No your right, its not my money. But I can't help feeling it is, I am OK with €90m, but feel at £90 I am being over charged. I know it isn't rational to think like that, but that's just how I feel.
 

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We couldn't break them down because we tried to play it safe with our substitution to get to penalty shootout, to be honest. We didn't try to up the tempo and break their defence down enough. It's more an issue with our approach that game rather than our personnel.
You just gonna ignore most of the second half?
 

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I wish people would stop pushing this narrative.

AML- 15 games, 9 goals, 8 assists

AMR- 14 games, 5 goals, 9 assists

Similar numbers on both sides, he can play both very well!
I’m not ‘pushing’ anything, I was simply responding to a post where it was claimed Sancho had played his best football on the left for Dortmund.

There is no narrative, just discussion.
 
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