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I'm fairly certain TV4 and whomever the Danish broadcaster is don't have the ability to switch between camera feeds, as they're not the ones in control of the production. If they kept broadcasting from cameras at the stadium, I'm pretty sure they showed the same things that the BBC did. Only way for them to have avoided doing so would have been to cut the feed entirely.
I'm not sure what route you're taking but they've literally just told you what they watched, which is completely different from the BBC coverage as it was happening.
 

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I'm fairly certain TV4 and whomever the Danish broadcaster is don't have the ability to switch between camera feeds, as they're not the ones in control of the production. If they kept broadcasting from cameras at the stadium, I'm pretty sure they showed the same things that the BBC did. Only way for them to have avoided doing so would have been to cut the feed entirely.
The helicopter footage shown on DR may have been their own and therefore not available to other broadcasters.
 

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I'm fairly certain TV4 and whomever the Danish broadcaster is don't have the ability to switch between camera feeds, as they're not the ones in control of the production. If they kept broadcasting from cameras at the stadium, I'm pretty sure they showed the same things that the BBC did. Only way for them to have avoided doing so would have been to cut the feed entirely.
Why are you disagreeing with people that were actually watching the Swedish/Danish footage?
 

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FECK UEFA for making Denmark play the game only two hours after the hell on earth players had to go through. It was not just insensitive, it was cruel.
 

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FECK UEFA for making Denmark play the game only two hours after the hell on earth players had to go through. It was not just insensitive, it was cruel.
They didn't quite. According to Kasper Hjulmand (Denmark's coach), the players were given two options after being informed that Eriksen was okay: Play the game tonight or noontime tomorrow. They preferred to get it out of the way.
 

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I am an ICU physician and have supervised plenty of code blue situations (doing CPR, using AEDs, etc)

It is absolutely remarkable that he is alive and speaking. The medics (and referee who stopped the game instantly) are absolute heroes. The survival rate after CPR is low, and survival with good neurological outcomes (like speaking and talking) is even lower. This happened with Eriksen because of the immediate action of the medics in administering early CPR and defibrillation.

He went into SCD (Sudden Cardiac Death) from VT/VF (Ventricular Tachycardia/Fibrillation). Typically in an otherwise healthy young person, it's due to structural heart disease (like Hypertrophic Obstructive Cardiomyopathy - HOCM). I'm not sure if players routinely get echocardiograms when signing for clubs, which would have identified this beforehand. It's not cost-effective in the general population but I am not sure about big clubs. It could also be due to genetic arrhythymia syndromes or less likely due to electrolyte abnormalities. In any case, he is going to get a battery of tests in the hospital and leave with an implanted defibrillator (ie, pacemaker).
 
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I am an ICU physician and have supervised plenty of code blue situations (doing CPR, using AEDs, etc)

It is absolutely remarkable that he is alive and speaking. The medics (and referee who stopped the game instantly) are absolute heroes. The survival rate after CPR is low, and survival with good neurological outcomes (like speaking and talking) is even lower. This happened with Eriksen because of the immediate action of the medics in administering early CPR and defibrillation.

He went into SCD (Sudden Cardiac Death) from VT/VF (Ventricular Tachycardia/Fibrillation). Typically in an otherwise healthy young person, it's due to structural heart disease (like Hypertrophic Obstructive Cardiomyopathy - HOCM). I'm not sure if players routinely get echocardiograms when signing for clubs, which would have identified this beforehand. It's not cost-effective in the general population but I am not sure about big clubs. It could also be due to genetic arrhythymia syndromes or less likely due to electrolyte abnormalities. In any case, he is going to get a battery of tests in the hospital and leave with an implanted defibrillator (ie, pacemaker).
Players have ECGs as standard during medicals and have for years
 

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This one is spot on
I am an ICU physician and have supervised plenty of code blue situations (doing CPR, using AEDs, etc)

In any case, he is going to get a battery of tests in the hospital and leave with an implanted defibrillator (ie, pacemaker).
This would mean the end of his career I assume?
Important thing is he is alive, thankful for that.
 

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How do you know it was UEFA 'making' them play?
This tournament is run by UEFA, they decide what to do.

They didn't quite. According to Kasper Hjulmand (Denmark's coach), the players were given two options after being informed that Eriksen was okay: Play the game tonight or noontime tomorrow. They preferred to get it out of the way.
Honestly, under the circumstances that makes little difference. Players have certain mentality - they often overestimate their ability to cope with things. Even if they "chose" between two bad options - it's obvious that they were in no mental condition to do it. True leaders make decisions in the best interest of players, weak leaders wrap their insensitivity in false choice.
 

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That's quite simplistic. In normal circumstances you'd think so, however what happened today was anything but normal.
I don't disagree with that. It is very hard being a leader in extraordinary circumstances, but responsibility is still with them, all the same. I am not denying anybody's right to see things differently, but I am also by far not the only one being mad at how they handled it.
 

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I am an ICU physician and have supervised plenty of code blue situations (doing CPR, using AEDs, etc)

It is absolutely remarkable that he is alive and speaking. The medics (and referee who stopped the game instantly) are absolute heroes. The survival rate after CPR is low, and survival with good neurological outcomes (like speaking and talking) is even lower. This happened with Eriksen because of the immediate action of the medics in administering early CPR and defibrillation.

He went into SCD (Sudden Cardiac Death) from VT/VF (Ventricular Tachycardia/Fibrillation). Typically in an otherwise healthy young person, it's due to structural heart disease (like Hypertrophic Obstructive Cardiomyopathy - HOCM). I'm not sure if players routinely get echocardiograms when signing for clubs, which would have identified this beforehand. It's not cost-effective in the general population but I am not sure about big clubs. It could also be due to genetic arrhythymia syndromes or less likely due to electrolyte abnormalities. In any case, he is going to get a battery of tests in the hospital and leave with an implanted defibrillator (ie, pacemaker).
This confirms what some people were thinking. Really have to commend the medics for the awareness and quick decisions that seemed to have saved his life. Such a scary thing to watch unfold (my stream was from a birds-eye view so I never got the close-ups that some did). So thankful he pulled through and looks towards a healthy outcome.
 

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Frightening how quickly things can change for someone. I made the mistake of rewinding the program at the time to see what exactly happened. I was watching bits and pieces of the game between doing other stuff so i never actually seen what caused it. I just seen him lying on the floor with medics around him when i came back into the room so thought he was involved in a bad collision with another player.

Seeing him stumble, then just fall to the floor like that was sickening. Excellent news that he's in a stable condition. Wish him all the best.
 

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I saw it happen as a kid when I was in Portugal with Miki Feher. Awful stuff. Glad he’s recovering
 

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This tournament is run by UEFA, they decide what to do.


Honestly, under the circumstances that makes little difference. Players have certain mentality - they often overestimate their ability to cope with things. Even if they "chose" between two bad options - it's obvious that they were in no mental condition to do it. True leaders make decisions in the best interest of players, weak leaders wrap their insensitivity in false choice.
The goal scorer Joel Pohjanpalo also said on finnish TV that both teams were asked if they wanted to continue to play the game AFTER they were told that Eriksen was stable and talking. He also said it was Eriksens wish that they would finish the game.
 

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This would mean the end of his career I assume?
Important thing is he is alive, thankful for that.
It depends on the underlying etiology. If it's HOCM or similar structural cause, most physicians would recommend against returning to competitive contact sports.
 

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Some opinions in here, they're all entitled to them, but some people are some absolute controlling feckers :lol:

"Denmark players were not in a good position to make a decision even after hearing eriksen was ok. UEFA are a bunch of cnuts because poor denmark players were absolutely not in a good state of mind" like they're there in the dressing room with the guys, reading their minds.

"Kids shouldn't be allowed to watch images like the medical staff performing CPR to a human being. Fecking bbc" :houllier:

Man. Life is really tough for some folks
 

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That means nothing. They were all in shock. You don't ask people in distress how to handle disaster situation. I don't know if you watched the game, but when they came back to the pitch they were in tears and clearly emotionally in bad shape. They shouldn't have been allowed to go through this so soon, even if they "chose" to do it. That is not leadership from UEFA, that is cowardice.
 
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That means nothing. They were all in shock. You don't ask people in distress how to handle disaster situation. I don't know if you watched the game, but when they came back to the pitch they were in tears and clearly emotionally in bad shape. They shouldn't have been allowed to go through this so soon, even if they "chose" to do it. That is not leadership from UEFA, that is cowardice.
I'm not saying what's right or wrong, or if you're right or wrong... I was JUST posting a tweet that related to the topic of your comment. Ok.

(Feel like you have to explain the exact nature of every post on here recently)
 

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That means nothing. They were all in shock. You don't ask people in distress how to handle disaster situation. I don't know if you watched the game, but when they came back to the pitch they were in tears and clearly emotionally in bad shape. They shouldn't have been allowed to go through this so soon, even if they "chose" to do it. That is not leadership from UEFA, that is cowardice.
And if they tell them they can't play when they have chosen to play(I mean I don't know if everyone said they want to play or not).... isn't that dictatorship?

Simply put, they ain't gonna do that. But if Denmark didn't want to play, they wouldn't have forced them I doubt.
 

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I'm not saying what's right or wrong, or if you're right or wrong... I was JUST posting a tweet that related to the topic of your comment. Ok.

(Feel like you have to explain the exact nature of every post on here recently)
ok, sorry
 

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That means nothing. They were all in shock. You don't ask people in distress how to handle disaster situation. I don't know if you watched the game, but when they came back to the pitch they were in tears and clearly emotionally in bad shape. They shouldn't have been allowed to go through this so soon, even if they "chose" to do it. That is not leadership from UEFA, that is cowardice.
Yeah. Maybe UEFA should cancel the tournament and give the trophy to denmark already. Also rename the tournament maybe? The eriksen coup

They're adults. They're professionals. They were given the choice to play tomorrow, and you're not taking into account that maybe for them it was the best for them to go on with the match and move on. Sometimes that's the best thing to do after a stressful situation like this. It sucks but we can't know what was going on in the dressing room. Maybe they were motivated by eriksens call. Who knows
 

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If something like that happens it should be a given that the game doesn't get played on the same day. Even if they've been told everything is fine, the emotional impact of everything that happened is going to have an effect. They need a reset to reframe themselves.
 
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If you did, I think you would realise it’s pretty shocking for young children to see a man dying on live TV, seeing his lifeless face, and to see him jolting up and down as they try and revive him.

I’m a 40 year old who has seen lots of people being killed (in the army) - and this was distressing to me. My kids weren’t watching it, but it would have been disturbing to them if they were - and I think a broadcaster has a responsibility to their viewers.
 

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I am an ICU physician and have supervised plenty of code blue situations (doing CPR, using AEDs, etc)

It is absolutely remarkable that he is alive and speaking. The medics (and referee who stopped the game instantly) are absolute heroes. The survival rate after CPR is low, and survival with good neurological outcomes (like speaking and talking) is even lower. This happened with Eriksen because of the immediate action of the medics in administering early CPR and defibrillation.

He went into SCD (Sudden Cardiac Death) from VT/VF (Ventricular Tachycardia/Fibrillation). Typically in an otherwise healthy young person, it's due to structural heart disease (like Hypertrophic Obstructive Cardiomyopathy - HOCM). I'm not sure if players routinely get echocardiograms when signing for clubs, which would have identified this beforehand. It's not cost-effective in the general population but I am not sure about big clubs. It could also be due to genetic arrhythymia syndromes or less likely due to electrolyte abnormalities. In any case, he is going to get a battery of tests in the hospital and leave with an implanted defibrillator (ie, pacemaker).
Timing is absolutely essential right ? Usually a regular person would wait 15-20 mins for EMT, I presume the outcome after such a period is rather pessimistic.
Its kind of sad how few people in the world can rely on such first class care. Professional athletes during competitive events, people that work in medical institution buildings, heads of state (and not in every country). I know in some office buildings there are defibrillators on each floor, however how many people there are actually trained and collected enough to use it properly...
 

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If you did, I think you would realise it’s pretty shocking for young children to see a man dying on live TV, seeing his lifeless face, and to see him jolting up and down as they try and revive him.

I’m a 40 year old who has seen lots of people being killed (in the army) - and this was distressing to me. My kids weren’t watching it, but it would have been disturbing to them if they were - and I think a broadcaster has a responsibility to their viewers.
Hear hear. Sad you’ve had to spell it out but undeniably true.
 

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If you did, I think you would realise it’s pretty shocking for young children to see a man dying on live TV, seeing his lifeless face, and to see him jolting up and down as they try and revive him.

I’m a 40 year old who has seen lots of people being killed (in the army) - and this was distressing to me. My kids weren’t watching it, but it would have been disturbing to them if they were - and I think a broadcaster has a responsibility to their viewers.
Well yeah, but this was something sudden and probably kids around go to watch it anyway. It's also a good opportunity to say something like "look son. That player is very very sick, but there's the medical staff doing the treatment for him to overcome this. Let's hope they become heroes and succed"
I just don't understand the view of trying ro control everything and put your kids in a safe box full of cotton. They're gonna see some sh*t in this world because that's the way it is, and no parents nor noone can prevent that from happening. Better to accompany, educate and prepare.
 

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If something like that happens it should be a given that the game doesn't get played on the same day. Even if they've been told everything is fine, the emotional impact of everything that happened is going to have an effect. They need a reset to reframe themselves.
I agree with you actually. It would be better if there were protocols about this written before instead of improvising everytime something like this happens
 

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Polish TV showed it all. I can't get the image of his eyes rolling back and body convulsion out of my head. And I just tuned the TV on 2 minutes before. I understood it was serious when I saw tears in eyes of Finland players.

I can't imagine being one of his team mates during the game.
 

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Good quality chest compressions and early defibrillation. Credit to that team, surviving an out of hospital cardiac arrest is miracle squared.
 

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Are you claiming the posters lied then ? Are you also aware that the coverage package gives the broadcaster multiple feeds for the tournament. Usually not individual cameras , but streams from different locations?
Definitely wasn't my intention to imply that they were lying, just that they might have missed it.

My brother, who is Swedish and lives in Sweden, was telling me about how horrible it was that they showed images of his distraught wife, so that's why I assumed @Strats had just missed it. But I asked my brother about it, and it turns out he was using a VPN to watch the Norwegian feed. So that explains that, at least.
The helicopter footage shown on DR may have been their own and therefore not available to other broadcasters.
Could have also been one of the feeds provided by UEFA, just they were quicker than some of the others to switch off the main feed.
 
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Well yeah, but this was something sudden and probably kids around go to watch it anyway. It's also a good opportunity to say something like "look son. That player is very very sick, but there's the medical staff doing the treatment for him to overcome this. Let's hope they become heroes and succed"
I just don't understand the view of trying ro control everything and put your kids in a safe box full of cotton. They're gonna see some sh*t in this world because that's the way it is, and no parents nor noone can prevent that from happening. Better to accompany, educate and prepare.
this will sound condescending - but if you ever have children, I’ve no doubt that you will change your opinion and you will do everything you can to protect them.