LilyWhiteSpur
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I have no idea myself its what I was asking.Are you telling me they can’t cut it if they need to? I think it’s more likely that the directors didn’t have a protocol to follow?
I have no idea myself its what I was asking.Are you telling me they can’t cut it if they need to? I think it’s more likely that the directors didn’t have a protocol to follow?
If they were broadcasting a 3rd party and someone started whacking off live on air it would be off air pretty sharpish. I think that the directors didn’t know what to do, there’s no protocol in placeI have no idea myself its what I was asking.
I have an pink elephant, he knows everything.I always Google medical advice and read the NHS pages. If I need more information then I ask the big bunny that I sometimes see from time to time.
You are probably right, I can imagine a director of a football match isnt glued to the screen for 90mins. I doubt the BBC continued with it for "ratings" more than likely someone who wasn't quite sure what to do.If they were broadcasting a 3rd party and someone started whacking off live on air it would be off air pretty sharpish. I think that the directors didn’t know what to do, there’s no protocol in place
Tbf, I didn't time it, but as soon as someone starts CPR, it should have been on the way. It felt like it wasn't there very quick, compared to when they started CPR. I could be completely wrong with the time, just felt it in a stadium, should be there within seconds.What's quick enough?
Its a very rare occurrence that one is needed on a pitch.
Or they were, like the rest of us, in a state of shock and didn't quite know how to react to the situation. They're only human.You are probably right, I can imagine a director of a football match isnt glued to the screen for 90mins. I doubt the BBC continued with it for "ratings" more than likely someone who wasn't quite sure what to do.
It seemed to last forever but the 1st doctors arrived within 60 seconds and the medics with the defibrillator where here within 120 seconds.Tbf, I didn't time it, but as soon as someone starts CPR, it should have been on the way. It felt like it wasn't there very quick, compared to when they started CPR. I could be completely wrong with the time, just felt it in a stadium, should be there within seconds.
Edit: By seconds, I mean within the minute
Agreed, I doubt many people start a days work thinking about someone dying if they are present.Or they were, like the rest of us, in a state of shock and didn't quite know how to react to the situation. They're only human.
Fair, it was more the defib time that worried me, but that is damned fast. Certainly time did slow.It seemed to last forever but the 1st doctors arrived within 60 seconds and the medics with the defibrillator where here within 120 seconds.
To be honest I thought it took longer than that as well but they were already shocking him less than 3mn after he collapsed, I had to double check (it wasn't pleasant). We were all petrified in front of our TV.Fair, it was more the defib time that worried me, but that is damned fast. Certainly time did slow.
Fortunatley most modern defibs give you instructions nowadays, you just open the machine and it tells you what to do.Difficult to say, to see them performing CPR for around 10 mins was quite distressing and incredibly impactful, I had the option to turn it off but it also shows us what can be done, to not give up trying and also seek to go on a CPR course and use a defib. I did CPR at school in the 90s but don't know how to use a defib. We're so used to seeing players come around after few minutes or be carried off for injuries you just keep expecting to see something positive.
You've summed up exactly what I was thinking. The white sheets came up and I feared the worst..One of the scariest moments of sports watching for me, I was having flashbacks to the Fabrice Muamba incident. Could have sworn we were about to watch him die on live television, really shook me to the core. I am so relieved to hear that he is awake and stable and send positive vibes to him and his family through this.
Yeah, weirdly enough, I spoke to someone that sells them recently and they said those available to the public (which I didn’t even know was a thing anyway) talk to you when you pick them up.Fortunatley most modern defibs give you instructions nowadays, you just open the machine and it tells you what to do.
The BBC can absolutely be blamed for giving people in this country the option of watching a woman in tears because her husband was fighting for his life. They weren't controlling the cameras but they had no obligation to broadcast any of it. Many other broadcasters didn't show it, despite "having the same pictures".It’s UEFA who provide the broadcast. Every station worldwide would have had the same pictures. BBC could and should have cut to the studio earlier, but they can’t be blamed for them showing his wife etc.
Yeah, they automatically turn on when you remove them from the stand and give you instructions, which means pretty much any composed person (not that easy) can use them without prior knowledge.Yeah, weirdly enough, I spoke to someone that sells them recently and they said those available to the public (which I didn’t even know was a thing anyway) talk to you when you pick them up.
Yeah, personally having experienced that without access to a defib, i was screaming for it.To be honest I thought it took longer than that as well but they were already shocking him less than 3mn after he collapsed, I had to double check (it wasn't pleasant). We were all petrified in front of our TV.
Yep there's bloody loads in the town I just moved to, some even come with a razor to shave the chest!Yeah, weirdly enough, I spoke to someone that sells them recently and they said those available to the public (which I didn’t even know was a thing anyway) talk to you when you pick them up.
Did they not? Who didn’t?The BBC can absolutely be blamed for giving people in this country the option of watching a woman in tears because her husband was fighting for his life. They weren't controlling the cameras but they had no obligation to broadcast any of it. Many other broadcasters didn't show it.
Never saw her on Swedish telly, they cut it to a camera on the roof where you hardly could see anythingDid they not? Who didn’t?
All the non-voyeuristic ones across Europe stopped showing the FIFA feeds long before that from what I hear.Did they not? Who didn’t?
Same in Denmark. After the CPR started they cut to aerial footage. Never saw his wife on tv for instance.Never saw her on Swedish telly, they cut it to a camera on the roof where you hardly could see anything
Never saw her on Swedish telly, they cut it to a camera on the roof where you hardly could see anything
Very good of them.Same in Denmark. After the CPR started they cut to aerial footage. Never saw his wife on tv for instance.
You both must be wrong , didn't youSame in Denmark. After the CPR started they cut to aerial footage. Never saw his wife on tv for instance.
I agree with you. I said they can’t be blamed for the cameras catching it, they can absolutely be blamed for not cutting to the studio sooner.The BBC can absolutely be blamed for giving people in this country the option of watching a woman in tears because her husband was fighting for his life. They weren't controlling the cameras but they had no obligation to broadcast any of it. Many other broadcasters didn't show it, despite "having the same pictures".
Which was definitely controversial at the time. They were also able to give warnings beforehand, and I would assume it was shown at 10pm…plus…if you wanted another reason…it wasn’t a live video of the kid drowning.I've seen live footage of assylum seekers in the sea in the meditaranian, including people desperately hold their babies above water.
The news showed a dead drowned toddler face down on the beach.
We see footage of all kinds of atrocities and awful real life events of suffering.
If all the people who say that it was so horrific actually thought that they'd have turned off their tv. As woul any parent if they had little kids
Never saw her on Swedish telly, they cut it to a camera on the roof where you hardly could see anything
Same in Denmark. After the CPR started they cut to aerial footage. Never saw his wife on tv for instance.
That's plain wrong. Danish TV were showing helicopter shots of Parken at the same time BBC were broadcasting Sabrina's tears.I'm fairly certain TV4 and whomever the Danish broadcaster is don't have the ability to switch between camera feeds, as they're not the ones in control of the production. If they kept broadcasting from cameras at the stadium, I'm pretty sure they showed the same things that the BBC did. Only way for them to have avoided doing so would have been to cut the feed entirely.
Dutch tv also switched apparently. Except if the BBC have a very specific contract, there's no way they couldn't have done the same. In fact, it looks like in the countries mentioned other venue footage was shown, meaning that apparently those stations had that option available to them as well, in addition to just cutting to the studio.Very good of them.
Are you claiming the posters lied then ? Are you also aware that the coverage package gives the broadcaster multiple feeds for the tournament. Usually not individual cameras , but streams from different locations?I'm fairly certain TV4 and whomever the Danish broadcaster is don't have the ability to switch between camera feeds, as they're not the ones in control of the production. If they kept broadcasting from cameras at the stadium, I'm pretty sure they showed the same things that the BBC did. Only way for them to have avoided doing so would have been to cut the feed entirely.
So what are you suggesting?I'm fairly certain TV4 and whomever the Danish broadcaster is don't have the ability to switch between camera feeds, as they're not the ones in control of the production. If they kept broadcasting from cameras at the stadium, I'm pretty sure they showed the same things that the BBC did. Only way for them to have avoided doing so would have been to cut the feed entirely.
BBC can pretend all they want that they are the bastion of moral broadcasting but they prove time and again that they are as sensationalist as some of the worstDutch tv also switched apparently. Except if the BBC have a very specific contract, there's no way they couldn't have done the same. In fact, it looks like in the countries mentioned other venue footage was shown, meaning that apparently those stations had that option available to them as well, in addition to just cutting to the studio.
Yep this is what happened - hence why defibrillator was used. The interesting thing is what caused it - less likely to be pre existing structural heart disease as the player would have been screened multiple times. There are a bunch of causes including a myocarditis (heart muscle inflammation) that can be caused by an innocuous virus.