There was a way around that by clicking the x button but it no longer works. Not for me anyway.
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there are ways around that. He’s been very good against Spurs away and Liverpool in the cup since. Any other big teams? I genuinely can’t remember off the top of my head…
What’s so funny about an article that says we win more big games without Pogba than with him? If I was a big fan of his I’d be concerned about that? Is it nervous laughter or are you just going to blame everyone else?
There’s also a stat that says we lose more often when Pogba and Bruno play together than when just one of them plays. I don’t think their games suit each other. Ive turned around on Pogba and I’d be happy for him to stay but I don’t think he will. Not much funny about him leaving on a free for the second time after spending 90 million quid on him
There’s no context and a timeframe that suits the narrative.
Does this period include the start of this season? Does it include Europa quarter and semi finals?
As for the rest of what you wrote, most of it totally pathetic, if a manager can’t get the best out of a team that includes his best players (Bruno/Pogba) then for me the manager needs to look at why and how he does that.
Legit question. Are Roma and Milan still big teams? Since Oct 2020 he was injured till after lockdown and then injured again at the start of the season? Is that right? Big teams we beat since then? As I said I remember Spurs and Liverpool in the cup where Pogba was running it. City was a smash and grab. I’ve really enjoyed his play out on the left. I thought it was a breath of fresh air given the form Rashford was displaying in the second half of the season. I thought it was a pity Ole took him out.
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A quarter final and a semi final, and a final which we lost is always a big game for me. Start of the season he contracted Covid and apparently suffered through it. From December for me he was consistently good, like anyone he had the odd below par game butgenerally he was very good including some big games.
I was replying to something false you presented that Bruno has never turned up in a knockout game for us.
I'm really not interested in getting into a Pogba vs Bruno debate.
1. The EL league final against Ajax where he scored and dominated Ajax's talented but young midfield
2. The dramatic 2-3 comeback win away to City where he scored twice
3. Header against Chelsea in the league cup when we beat them 2-0 away
4. 2:1 league win over Arsenal MOTM 2017/18.
5. 1-3 away win against Arsenal, MOTM again with assists to Lingard and a goal of his own
6 and 7. Two MOTM performances against Liecester city, 0-1 away win in 2019 with an assist to Rashford (Rashford won the official MOTM award and Pogba won that distinction on the CAF) and 4-1 win against them as defending champions
8. 1-3 win against Spurs this last season, MOTM and assist
9. 0-1 away win against Milan in EL, goal decided the tie
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So that's literally 9 games in 5 whole years and one of them was against Leicester (because the 4-1 against them was in 2016 I believe? And they fought for relegation in this season by the way).
That's a pretty low number for our world class player. Not actually that far away from my 5 to 6 games predictions.
And you can't compare it to Bruno who has only been here for 1.5 year. In Pogba first 1.5 year he legit had two good big games performance according to your list.
But you bet that the number wouldn't be greater than 5 or 6.
If he's not willing to sign a new contract then any talk about him staying or his form are pointless. We need to find a club that will be happy to take him off our hands this summer.
If PSG are interested in adding him to the list of lost souls in their squad then pack his bags and send him on his way, fed up of the circus that follows the lad around and I've never felt we've ever got the Pogba of the French national side for United.
If PSG are interested in adding him to the list of lost souls in their squad then pack his bags and send him on his way, fed up of the circus that follows the lad around and I've never felt we've ever got the Pogba of the French national side for United.
Depends on what definition big games come under. Is Chelsea in the league Cup really a big game? Spurs imploding under Mou? Can Arsenal still be classified as a big game? So maybe 5 or 6 isn't so far off the mark which in a period of 5 years for a £90m player is absolutely atrocious.
In Pogbas case just insert any game he didn’t play well in and delete any he did. Will suit most people’s agenda perfectly.
Why is it an agenda? People are struggling to find 10 games in which he was influencial in 5 years. Not Pogbas fault he was signed for a world record fee but surely it wouldn't be too much to expect a hell of a lot more? Coupled with the fact he's played the wants to leave United card 3 times that we know of it's hard to understand why people keep defending him.
He plays 3 good games in a row and he's World class. He then can go 3 moths playing average football and all of a sudden it's because he doesn't have good enough players around him. The agenda seems to be with people who staunchly support him and not the other way round.
Just read on Livescore news that we're about to make him the highest paid player in the league, that could be disastrous and huge step away from wage policy we should be looking to implement. Can anyone tell me it's bullshit, please someone tell me it is
Whoever approved a 375k pw contract to DDG needs firing. What a fecking waste.
If we offer Pogba 400k a week we clearly haven't learnt from the De Gea or Sanchez situations. That money is whack for a player who shows up 1 in every 4 games. 1 in every 12 big games.
Report from the daily mail says we about to offer him £400k rounding up to £104m in a 5yrs deal, claiming how desperate we are not to lose him for free again, that's a lot of money considering his up and down form and also looking at the fact that he'll be 30+ by the time that contract would be done, imo I think it's a good move by the club, i strongly believe he'll come good and if we can nab Varane or any other strong CB who can hold his own like Maguire does more often than not, whenever we play him in a midfield double pivot either right or left we can get the best out of him and occasionally play him out wide either right or left too, depending on the teams for obvious reasons, i hope he signs if that money is not enough for him and fat pig they can kiss my ass, the club should cash in on him now and get Jack Grealish in.
Pogba is the most skilled player in the league. The reported salary makes sense. He is suffering from playing with subpar teammates such as Fred, McT etc. Complement him with better players and we may reap the rewards.
Not sure about the reports, but i do feel we'll like to keep him, Ole certainly would love he stayed, so I'm not surprised, if the club feel he's ready to fight for us with this new and improve contract, i have no ish with it, i only hope he plays with the heart of a lion come next season if he stays, but if he's not up for it we should definitely cash in now while we can and get Jack Grealish in.
He is one of our best players when fit and healthy. We are one of the most marketable and profitable teams in Europe and he’s one of our biggest stars so I can see how he can demand more than maybe what ‘we’ feel is fair.
No they are not.
This.
Come on man. No way is that true. He is not as bad as people make out, but no way is he the most skilled player in the league.
He’s unbelievably skilled. I think it’s a fair claim. He just doesn’t have the mentality nor consistency of the leagues top performers.
Pogba is more naturally gifted at football than De Bruyne for example, but De Bruyne is a better player than Pogba because his level is almost always high, while Pogba goes from fantastic to ok to terrible on a regular basis.
I do think it may be best for both parties if he moves on though. He clearly wants it & the majority of the fans hate his guts. Bit of a toxic relationship.
So it's more than what I thought it by 3 more games. Big deal indeed.
I see no reason to believe this. I'm not saying Pogba isn't talented, but there's literally zero reason to believe that his raw talent is bigger than KDB's.
Of course there is, I don’t think there’s a single think KDB can do without the ball, but there’s a lot that Pogba can do that KDB can’t. That’s not to say that De Bruyne isn’t a better player, but that’s due to the mental aspect and other intangibles rather than technical or physical ability.
I was talking to my brother about Pogba the other day, he plays in moments and will never be consistent like De Bruyne and we actually need him to be the latter.
Why we have deemed him worthy of this contract I'll actually never know he isn't close to being the best player in team or even the most productive, to me this contract is a face saving thing rather than let him go on another free transfer but that would actually be the smarter move than giving him 400k+ per week.
Why we have deemed him worthy of this contract I'll actually never know he isn't close to being the best player in team or even the most productive, to me this contract is a face saving thing rather than let him go on another free transfer but that would actually be the smarter move than giving him 400k+ per week.
I don't see it personally. KDB is ridiculously talented and has a ridiculous vision, great decision making and sublime technique with the ball in his shots and passes. Pogba is very talented but I see no reason why I should believe his talent is bigger than KDB.
Fair enough, and you’re not wrong in that KDB’s vision and decision making, along with his ball striking technique are elite. I just think that Pogba’s technical gifts and physical abilities meant that even as a raw youngster, he could coast somewhat, and rely solely on his god given talent. KDB, on the other hand, needed more work and development as he wasn’t as naturally talented.
I also think this is one of the reasons why KDB surpassed him as a player, as he wasn’t blessed with the natural talent of Pogba, so has constantly had to work on becoming a better player.
There's not a single football fan up and down the country that would take Pogba over KDB outside of our fanbase. Jesus wept this is getting pathetic now guys. Pogba isn't even the best player at United let alone the whole league.
KDB is just a far superior player in every aspect of his game, whether he has naturally more talent than Pogba or not is a moot point.
The real difference is that one of these players has worked his ass off and maximised his talents and the other is lazy and his overall game hasn't really improved in ten years.
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Would love to see where somebody said any different?
I disagree with that completely, I don’t think Pogba’s lazy at all.
The real difference between KDB and Pogba in the last 5 years is managers, one played under Guardiola and the other under Mourinho and Ole.
Why hasn't there been a significant improvement in his game in ten years?
Why do we still see him make the same stupid mistakes over amd over?
Why hasn't he learned how to be the midfielder that his natural talent is made for?
Why hasn't he nailed down a firm position in the team week in week out?
It's three more than you thought, you seemed certain. It's not like Pogba and Bruno are like for like players. Pogba has been expected to put in CAM numbers when he's never been one exclusively at United.
In 1.5 seasons Bruno has only had one big game winning performance (against Liverpool 3-2 in the FA cup) and he's failed to influence proceedings in four cup semifinals. He has 7 goals against the bigger clubs, five of them penalties to Pogba's 8 with only 1 penalty
No other central midfielder has been close to being that productive in the big games for united since Ferguson's departure. Care to name one? Only Rashford and Martial have had bigger impact in the big games and they're forwards. Bruno needs to do more in these
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If Pogba is lazy why has we won so much (more than KDB)? Why do these great teams win huge trophies like the WC, Serie etc with him in a key area such as midfield? Pogba isn't lazy, he is just weak defensively. His problem at United is that he is a tactical misfit with a few important flaws in his game which get highlighted in a usually struggling team. KDB plays under Pep in a great team so it's not as simple as comparing their performanes/output for United and City, but yeah, if I was building a team, I'd take KDB due to those flaws in Pogba's game that work out fine in a quality team but not so much in a team like ours.
guy has a sickness. always polluting this thread
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