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[Wolverine]

I would be interested to see the UK real-world data regarding vaccine robustness (in addition to natural immunity) delta variant post freedom day
Seeing a significant amount of positive covid test post-double-doses in the community, even after a month or so (and fairly equitable across the mRNAs or AZ)
So far with me none I've had to admit as mild symptoms but my colleagues have sent a few to hospital

 

[Pogue Mahone]

@Pogue Mahone

So we are puhsing out indoor dining etc indefinitely it would appear in Ireland. the plan is to have a plan by 19th July which is a total shambles

Any opinion of the accuracy of the Nphet statement about thousands of deaths again in September?

Seems we are under tougher restrictions this year even though vaccines are here!

That’s getting twisted a bit by the press. All the modelling has best and worst case scenarios. They give a range of outcomes with the most likely somewhere in the middle. The “thousands dead in September” prediction was worst case.

My personal opinion is that I’m ok with pushing out indoor dining/drinking. Life is pretty good for most people now. We can do most things we want. Losing some of our current “privileges” would be too grim for words.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I would be interested to see the UK real-world data regarding vaccine robustness (in addition to natural immunity) delta variant post freedom day
Seeing a significant amount of positive covid test post-double-doses in the community, even after a month or so (and fairly equitable across the mRNAs or AZ)
So far with me none I've had to admit as mild symptoms but my colleagues have sent a few to hospital

I’m a bit worried about that too. The PHE data on effectiveness seems almost too good to be true, with cases rising as quickly as they are now.

Any trends you’re noticing in the double dose breakthroughs? Young? Old? Extended interval between doses?

 

[K Stand Knut]

Does any know the general rules with the general ‘walk-in’ vaccination centres?? There is two near me at the Etihad and near Belle Vue dogs.

My missus needs to bring her second jab forward to stop her having to pay for a test before we fly to the Balearics on 31/07 (crosses fingers).

I am just not sure if they are quire literally walk in centres or not and if she can just turn up one day with no invite.

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[Wolverine]

I’m a bit worried about that too. The PHE data on effectiveness seems almost too good to be true, with cases rising as quickly as they are now.

Any trends you’re noticing in the double dose breakthroughs? Young? Old? Extended interval between doses?

Probably too few cases to extrapolate. But quite a few picked up on lateral flow tests with subsequent PCR confirmations.
I've mainly seen 30-40s, all of ours in Leicester tended to have 2-3 months between doses and very few less than that.

A preponderance of headache, sore throat and lethargy though. Almost severe hayfever, sinusitis like symptoms too. Which corresponds to the Zoe covid tracker self-reporting App are saying regarding delta variant.

Wonder how new clincial subentities might be established. Will be easy to avoid hospital being overwhelmed if patients coming in were easier to discharge and didn't require ITU input unlike previous waves

 

[Abizzz]

Had my Moderna shot a little over an hour ago now. Feeling fine with no side effects (up to now), arm is a little sore but tbh pretty much any injection/having blood taken/ infusion I had up to now was worse than that. Hardly felt anything when it happened.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Does any know the general rules with the general ‘walk-in’ vaccination centres?? There is two near me at the Etihad and near Belle Vue dogs.

My missus needs to bring her second jab forward to stop her having to pay for a test before we fly to the Balearics on 31/07 (crosses fingers).

I am just not sure if they are quire literally walk in centres or not and if she can just turn up one day with no invite.

Anyone have any ideas?

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coron...rus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

 

[Wolverine]

Does any know the general rules with the general ‘walk-in’ vaccination centres?? There is two near me at the Etihad and near Belle Vue dogs.

My missus needs to bring her second jab forward to stop her having to pay for a test before we fly to the Balearics on 31/07 (crosses fingers).

I am just not sure if they are quire literally walk in centres or not and if she can just turn up one day with no invite.

Anyone have any ideas?

My understanding is that second jabs will be given at walk-in centres if its been at least eight weeks since the first dose for people aged over 40, and 12 weeks for people aged under 40. And depending on availability.

Can find information here by putting your postcode and clicking on relevant centre to find out what they are offering
https://www.nhs.uk/service-search/find-a-walk-in-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-site

There is high amounts of regional variability.

 

[K Stand Knut]

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https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coron...rus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

My understanding is that second jabs will be given at walk-in centres if its been at least eight weeks since the first dose for people aged over 40, and 12 weeks for people aged under 40. And depending on availability.

Can find information here by putting your postcode and clicking on relevant centre to find out what they are offering
https://www.nhs.uk/service-search/find-a-walk-in-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-site

There is high amounts of regional variability.

Cheers peeps.

Don’t think either of them help particularly. She already has her 2nd jab booked but we’re just being a bit selfish and want it done earlier so we don’t have to pay for a test before we go away at the end of next month.

Reckon I’ll just get her to turn up and see what happens. Worst case, she gets turned away

 

[Classical Mechanic]

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Cheers peeps.

Don’t think either of them help particularly. She already has her 2nd jab booked but we’re just being a bit selfish and want it done earlier so we don’t have to pay for a test before we go away at the end of next month.

Reckon I’ll just get her to turn up and see what happens. Worst case, she gets turned away

You can bring forward on the link I posted so long as it's two months since the first one (I tihnk)

 

[poleglass red]

2nd moderna jab yesterday at dinner time, feel a bit tired today but nothing crazy.

 

[Wolverine]

Reckon I’ll just get her to turn up and see what happens. Worst case, she gets turned away

Definitely cant hurt. There are plenty spare presently. Try and ask if speak to a doctor or nurse in charge there to explain situation.

What we have done sometimes is take down NHS and phone numbers and phoning up towards end of sessions if spares left and there often are.

 

[ha_rooney]

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According to The Times, the plan is to give a booster Covid jab in one arm & a flu jab in the other at the same time.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

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Cheers peeps.

Don’t think either of them help particularly. She already has her 2nd jab booked but we’re just being a bit selfish and want it done earlier so we don’t have to pay for a test before we go away at the end of next month.

Reckon I’ll just get her to turn up and see what happens. Worst case, she gets turned away

I turned up. Got the 2nd jab. By the time I got home to cancel my second booking, the system had updated and removed it already.

 

[Pexbo]

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According to The Times, the plan is to give a booster Covid jab in one arm & a flu jab in the other at the same time.

This will definitely be expanded to over 18s.

 

[madzo2007]

Got my second jab last night (AZ) at the SSE in Belfast. It was fairly busy but happy to say other than my arm feeling a bit tight this morning theres no side effects at all.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This will definitely be expanded to over 18s.

I don’t know how that’s logistically possible. Even assuming supplies not an issue (unlikely) it’s taken 6 months of massive specialised vaccination centres to vaccinate the over 18s. How can they inject them all all over again in such a short space of time?

 

[Dante]

I had my second AZ vaccine this afternoon, exactly 8 weeks after my first.

Not feeling achy or sore like I did the first time. But I did take a (probably related) 2 hour nap which I've only just woken up from.

@Penna Turns out that Superdrug have a Nurses Clinic at my local branch. They were super organised and the whole operation was much slicker than the doctors office I used the first time around. But they didn't swab me this time either, so maybe it's a directive from above to save money or something.

Anyway it's nice to be

Spoiler

 

[Crackers]

Docs/medical staff in Ireland: I'm 30 soon, once the 30s open up how likely do you think it'll be that I get a vaccine in July?

 

[hellhunter]

Docs/medical staff in Ireland: I'm 30 soon, once the 30s open up how likely do you think it'll be that I get a vaccine in May?

Kind of unlikely, time travel is still somewhat unproven.

 

[Dante]

Docs/medical staff in Ireland: I'm 30 soon, once the 30s open up how likely do you think it'll be that I get a vaccine in May?

I'd imagine that's impossible at this point in the year.

Not a doctor in Ireland, though, so maybe they'd disagree.

 

[Crackers]

I'd imagine that's impossible at this point in the year.

Not a doctor in Ireland, though, so maybe they'd disagree.

Sorry, I don't know how my brain typed that out.

I meant July obviously....

 

[Pexbo]

I don’t know how that’s logistically possible. Even assuming supplies not an issue (unlikely) it’s taken 6 months of massive specialised vaccination centres to vaccinate the over 18s. How can they inject them all all over again in such a short space of time?

I mean they will start on the over 50s and it will be continuously being rolled out to whoever wants/needs one. Not that they will necessarily target every adult arm like they did with the current program. They hit 500k doses per day at the peak which is enough to give a single dose to every single adult in 4 months.

Now there won’t be the urgency or that capacity with boosters but in order to keep the numbers down, when over 50s have had the opportunity, it seems inevitable that they will offer it to the rest of the age groups.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I mean they will start on the over 50s and it will be continuously being rolled out to whoever wants/needs one. Not that they will necessarily target every adult arm like they did with the current program. They hit 500k doses per day at the peak which is enough to give a single dose to every single adult in 4 months.

Now there won’t be the urgency or that capacity with boosters but in order to keep the numbers down, when over 50s have had the opportunity, it seems inevitable that they will offer it to the rest of the age groups.

It might seem inevitable but I don’t think it will be possible. I just don’t think the current rate of vaccinations is sustainable. Restricting it to over 50s is a more realistic and achievable target.

 

[K Stand Knut]

I turned up. Got the 2nd jab. By the time I got home to cancel my second booking, the system had updated and removed it already.

Thanks mate. Makes me feel a bit more confident about it.

Out of interest, was it one of the Manchester ones?

 

[K Stand Knut]

Definitely cant hurt. There are plenty spare presently. Try and ask if speak to a doctor or nurse in charge there to explain situation.

What we have done sometimes is take down NHS and phone numbers and phoning up towards end of sessions if spares left and there often are.

That’s part of my theory.

 

[jojojo]

Thanks mate. Makes me feel a bit more confident about it.

Out of interest, was it one of the Manchester ones?

Massive luck of the draw involved. Yesterday, apparently a lot of the vaccine centres had large numbers of no shows (which definitely had nothing to do with Tuesday night ) So they were probably in a "we'd better stick this stuff in someone's arm" mood. Others are getting reminder warnings from the PHE about sticking to the 8 week rule.

However the PHE also accepts that doctors need to prioritise groups at high risk of infection, so it can be a matter of how recently they got told off, how much stock they've got on site and how close to its use by time it is

 

[lynchie]

It might seem inevitable but I don’t think it will be possible. I just don’t think the current rate of vaccinations is sustainable. Restricting it to over 50s is a more realistic and achievable target.

I doubt it's even particularly desirable - boosting the over 50s and clinically vulnerable makes sense, as they were vaxed earlier, and might be expected to have less robust immune systems, so more chance of protection waning. The under 50s will only be 6 months on from their 2nd jabs at most, so any significant drop off in protection seems unlikely.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

On the subject of current vaccine rates not being sustainable we’re going to have to shut down one of our biggest vaccine hubs in Dublin for two days next week so the Aviva stadium can host a rugby match! I’m sure there will be similar issues at big centres in the weeks/months ahead. If we’re going to return to “normal” we can’t keep these large stadia/conference centres dedicated to rolling out vaccines.

 

[Big-Red]

Sorry, I don't know how my brain typed that out.

I meant July obviously....

Have you chanced your GP locally?

 

[11101]

On the subject of current vaccine rates not being sustainable we’re going to have to shut down one of our biggest vaccine hubs in Dublin for two days next week so the Aviva stadium can host a rugby match! I’m sure there will be similar issues at big centres in the weeks/months ahead. If we’re going to return to “normal” we can’t keep these large stadia/conference centres dedicated to rolling out vaccines.

Our main provincial hub closes 15 August. The building owner has refused to extend it because the government is only paying costs, but we should be all but finished by then. We are at 75% first dose coverage now and should finish in the next two or three weeks, so almost everybody should be done by mid August. Any stragglers will go to the local hospitals and GPs. Pharmacists were authorised to do vaccines but i don't think they ever ended up needing them.

I assume most of the main European countries are following a similar track.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Our main provincial hub closes 15 August. The building owner has refused to extend it because the government is only paying costs, but we should be all but finished by then. We are at 75% first dose coverage now and should finish in the next two or three weeks, so almost everybody should be done by mid August. Any stragglers will go to the local hospitals and GPs. Pharmacists were authorised to do vaccines but i don't think they ever ended up needing them.

I assume most of the main European countries are following a similar track.

There should be no need to keep most of these big centres open in Q3 when it comes to the first wave of vaccinations.

I was responding to @Pexbo who suggested that everyone above 18 might be offered a booster this year. Which would be impossible without keeping all those centres open and firing ahead full steam (and even then improbable)

EDIT: ECDC data has Italy at 66% first dose? Most EU countries seem to be in the mid 60s for first dose. The bigger variation is around % fully vaccinated. Italy is lowish @ 35%

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Side note. What’s going on with vaccines in the Nordics/Scandi countries? They were very quick early on but seem to be lagging behind the ‘mainland’ now (based on database linked above). With an excellent health service (including electronic health records) and compliant population it’s a bit of an odd one.

EDIT: Maybe because they stopped using AZ altogether?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Thanks mate. Makes me feel a bit more confident about it.

Out of interest, was it one of the Manchester ones?

Nope. South East London.

It’s all the same system though. The NHS rollout has been exemplary. I worried I may be fcuking something up by switching it up. But no. I’m just an entry in a database. When I sat down at a pop up booth the Nurse called up my details on the laptop. Confirmed it was dose 2, that the timing gap was correct, all I had to give was Name, DOB and postcode.

You’re not jumping a queue, you’re protecting your community, sooner. You’re not stealing a jab if they’re having mass vaccination drives. No moral dilemma here.

 

[JPRouve]

France has vaccinated just 516 people as of this weekend. Despite having 500,000 doses. Apparently 6 out of 10 surveyed intend refusing a vaccine when offered. Shocking stuff. Any theories as to why they’re such an outlier?

I think that now we can answer that question, french are liars.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think that now we can answer that question, french are liars.

Ha! Also confirms how often surveys are prone to selection bias.

The ECDC database is great for this stuff (shout out to @massi83 for letting me know about it) Interesting to see how the stats are so similar across the EU. Which kind of endorses the decision to centrally purchase vaccines. If the roll-out was really patchy it would cause all sorts of headaches.

 

[massi83]

Side note. What’s going on with vaccines in the Nordics/Scandi countries? They were very quick early on but seem to be lagging behind the ‘mainland’ now (based on database linked above). With an excellent health service (including electronic health records) and compliant population it’s a bit of an odd one.

EDIT: Maybe because they stopped using AZ altogether?

Stopped using AZ altogether long time ago, apart from some 2nd doses for 65-69 year olds. (not even having them delivered here) Never used J&J here at all. Supply is the only bottleneck everywhere.

Regarding the booster shots. It would be very easy to do in less than 2 months if the supply is there (I am not saying it is needed, just that logistics is very easy for any averagely functioning society).

 

[Doogie]

Side note. What’s going on with vaccines in the Nordics/Scandi countries? They were very quick early on but seem to be lagging behind the ‘mainland’ now (based on database linked above). With an excellent health service (including electronic health records) and compliant population it’s a bit of an odd one.

EDIT: Maybe because they stopped using AZ altogether?

I don't believe they were doing that much better than the rest of Europe initially, Denmark is doing above average and both Finland and in particular Iceland have among the highest uptake in EU/EEA.

 

[JPRouve]

Ha! Also confirms how often surveys are prone to selection bias.

The ECDC database is great for this stuff (shout out to @massi83 for letting me know about it) Interesting to see how the stats are so similar across the EU. Which kind of endorses the decision to centrally purchase vaccines. If the roll-out was really patchy it would cause all sorts of headaches.

This is anecdoctal but from a french standpoint, I think that the issues during the first months were mainly about information and knowing where you needed to go in order to get your vaccine. Also since it was limited to the older population, the lack of clear information was a bigger issue since they are not necessarily good with internet.

 

[11101]

There should be no need to keep most of these big centres open in Q3 when it comes to the first wave of vaccinations.

I was responding to @Pexbo who suggested that everyone above 18 might be offered a booster this year. Which would be impossible without keeping all those centres open and firing ahead full steam (and even then improbable)

EDIT: ECDC data has Italy at 66% first dose? Most EU countries seem to be in the mid 60s for first dose. The bigger variation is around % fully vaccinated. Italy is lowish @ 35%

I was just referring to my own province. Some regions are ahead of others, Lombardy is just over 70% with some municipalities within it over 90% and the weird little town encapsulated by Switzerland under 20%.

Looking at the ECDC data, they're about a million vaccines short of the figures the government publish daily. It's likely a few days out of date.