Southgate vs Solskjaer

[Polar]

Impossible to say who is the best manager. They have a lot in common.

1. Seems like they have the same philosophy. England’s style of play reminds me a lot of United.

2. Both are calm, reasonable and responsible

3. Teambuilding: harmony/atmosphere

4. Good relationship with players

 

[Judas]

Ole is comfortably better I think.

 

[SteveCoppellFan]

I can understand this thread being made.

There are some similarities between Ole and Southgate ( mainly the use of subs or lack of ) but there is very little chance Ole would have underplayed the likes of Sancho, Grealish, Rashford and Foden as much as Southgate did in this tournament.

England have a very very good bunch of players with a lot of potential but the one single thing holding England back more than anything is the manager.

 

[MU655]

Impossible to say who is the best manager. They have a lot in common.

1. Seems like they have the same philosophy. England’s style of play reminds me a lot of United.

2. Both are calm, reasonable and responsible

3. Teambuilding: harmony/atmosphere

4. Good relationship with players

Not sure that will be true for Southgate, now. Grealish, Kane, Rashford, and Sancho looked fed up with him when he came over.

 

[Siezard]

Southgate is just like Ole.

1. Too defensive.
2. Too slow to make changes resulting in more tired legs on the pitch.
3. Lack ideas.
4. Only trust the first 11 (and doesn't trust the whole bench)

 

[shahzy]

Forgot he missed

what? He scored. You got both points wrong there hahah. Mate you must have been heavy on the grog at that point ey

 

[padzilla]

I think Southgate's tactics in the final ceded the initiative to Italy. He was far too cautious, probably throughout the tournament to be fair. It's one thing to be rock solid and have enough firepower to get you through against the likes of Ukraine and Denmark but Italy were a completely different kettle of fish. Changes in attack should have been made in the second half, not with one minute left of extra time to hope you squeeze through on penalties.

 

[Rampant Red Rodriguez]

Both really poor at in game management. Southgate was really poor from 30th minute onwards. Mancini showed who's managed the big clubs in football and totally changed the forward line and Italy completely dominated afterwards.

Sancho and Rashford should've come on way earlier to actually attempt to win the game.

Should have used them 2 more earlier in the tournament, harsh lesson for something so basic.

Hendo offered nothing this game and we really could have done with Foden in the central part of the team.

 

[B20]

Solskjaer isn't top quality, but i'd pick him as manager of my team over Southgate any day of the week.

 

[Martialfc]

Southgate was too negative last night. He made 30 odd year old defenders think they were good. We had no system other than defend and nick it. The blame is all south gates fault.

 

[Mainoldo]

Southgate just about edges it. Ole wouldn’t have got England to the final. He wouldn’t have done exactly what Southgate did in the final though. Brought on Rashford and Sancho for penalties only

 

[Mainoldo]

One of them is elite level on club football (which is like 15 years ahead of international football), the other one is a fecking bellend playing Mount and Saka, while keeping Grealish, Rashford, Sancho and Foden (some of the best in the world) on the bench

Some clowns were (and still) claiming Southgate is better Ole is leagues ahead of this idiot

Yeah it’s not like we play McTominay and Fred every week is it

 

[11101]

It's weird that they are both so similar and limited in the same ways. Both can set a team up well beforehand but neither can read a game and make the right changes. Both freeze under pressure.

Ole edges it because he has beaten good teams before.

 

[Ace of Spades]

This thread is simply bollocks. Another pathetic try to dig at Ole at best.

Not to mention what has this got to do with each other. Club and country are two very different things, pointless thread among the many infesting the forums currently.

 

[Rojofiam]

Yeah it’s not like we play McTominay and Fred every week is it

Yeah, it's not like we've been interested in central and defensive midfielders ever since Ole took charge, is it?

It's not like both of them still became significantly more solid under Ole and became a viable option until we get better players, is it? Unless your delusion and hatred makes you believe they aren't a makeshift pairing, especially Fred who's been really unreliable in defending.

I don't understand people like you who don't have their own opinion and just go with the social media narratives portraying Ole as a clueless manager. His appointment is by miles the best thing to have happened to the club post-SAF and he's been proving even the most deluded ones wrong. See you in a year, maybe you'll have started watching football matches by then.

 

[FreakyJim]

Ole Gunnar Southgate or Gareth Solskjaer?

 

[Kaos]

I'm not a huge Ole supporter, but he at least knows how to look after his players, and I credit him for giving the likes of Shaw a new lease of life. Southgate is just a pathetic man manager, the way he setup those young English lads to fail is just shocking, and that's not even going into how he threw Greenwood under the bus.

 

[Mickeza]

There’s not a fecking chance we’d be in the same position we’re in now under Southgate. The idea he’d beat Pep regularly is fecking laughable too. In summary feck off.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Ole is much better. Southgate is such a defensive manager and has no clue who his best players are.

 

[Kaos]

Southgate was too negative last night. He made 30 odd year old defenders think they were good. We had no system other than defend and nick it. The blame is all south gates fault.

Because they are good, we're talking about one of the best CB partnerships in the world, irrespective of their age.

 

[tenpoless]

Ole can play pragmactic football at times but not with 6-7 defenders. That is Moyes ball.

 

[RedSky]

There’s not a fecking chance we’d be in the same position we’re in now under Southgate. The idea he’d beat Pep regularly is fecking laughable too. In summary feck off.

Indeed. Ole the 'defensive' manager had United score the most goals in the last ten seasons at United, 124 goals in 62 games.

The disrespect he gets on this forum is pathetic.

 

[Revan]

Both are extremely limited and cannot make their teams full of riches play progressive football. Good motivators though and can keep the team together.

I think Ole is the better one though, but not by very much.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Ole would do much better with this England squad, I believe he’d at least try to play some football.

 

[Mainoldo]

Yeah, it's not like we've been interested in central and defensive midfielders ever since Ole took charge, is it?

It's not like both of them still became significantly more solid under Ole and became a viable option until we get better players, is it? Unless your delusion and hatred makes you believe they aren't a makeshift pairing, especially Fred who's been really unreliable in defending.

I don't understand people like you who don't have their own opinion and just go with the social media narratives portraying Ole as a clueless manager. His appointment is by miles the best thing to have happened to the club post-SAF and he's been proving even the most deluded ones wrong. See you in a year, maybe you'll have started watching football matches by then.

Let’s just hope he makes sure Pogba gets that new expensive contract. That’s one part of the CM’s sorted aye.

 

[cedara]

Impossible to say who is the best manager. They have a lot in common.

1. Seems like they have the same philosophy. England’s style of play reminds me a lot of United.

2. Both are calm, reasonable and responsible

3. Teambuilding: harmony/atmosphere

4. Good relationship with players

5. Trophies is not important for them but progress is (it's like Internet explorer download progress bar when got stuck, 99% but never complete)

6. Genius tactic: for GS, let 3 young players (23, 21, 19) did the last 3 penalties kick; for OGS, no tactic at all.

7. They're all losers when people think they have best opportunity to win the league.

 

[Smores]

They are very similar yeah, might be a discussion on shades of grey but they both have the same fundamental issues.

Hopefully Ole reads some of the Southgate criticism and takes some of it on board as it would certainly help.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Ole is good at getting a result against more talented sides.

Ole cannot break down defensive teams.

Southgate is good at getting results against less talented teams.

Southgate is not good against more talented teams.

Both are overly cautious and too wrapped up in their ways and favourite players.

 

[Foxbatt]

Ole would have won this game. He is used to counter attacking. You don't play Sterling and Saka when you want to counter attack. Southgate should have put on Rashford for Sterling long time back.
He got it wrong.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Ole would never pick a team without his best 11 players for a cup final of that magnitude. If anything, he doesn’t rotate his squad enough for club football but he never had the embarrassment of riches England do with the luxury of Grealish, Rashford, Sancho, Calvert Lewin and Bellingham on the bench.

 

[horsechoker]

Would Southgate do as well with this United team as Ole?

 

[Pretzels81]

Ole. Simply because he's smart enough to use a 4-2-3-1 with a proper AMF. That midfield of Rice-Phillips produces nothing.

 

[Foxbatt]

Ole would never pick a team without his best 11 players for a cup final of that magnitude. If anything, he doesn’t rotate his squad enough for club football but he never had the embarrassment of riches England do with the luxury of Grealish, Rashford, Sancho, Calvert Lewin and Bellingham on the bench.

I forgot about Calvert Levin. Keane doesn't have the pace to trouble defenders. Southgate got it wrong.

 

[Pretzels81]

Would Southgate do as well with this United team as Ole?

Probably a defensive 4-3-3 with several players out of their natural position:

Henderson
Bissaka-Lindy-Maguire-Shaw
McT-Matic-Pogba
Bruno-Cavani-Rashford

He would probably bench Bruno for Greenwood, since Southgate doesn't rate AMFs.

 

[Robbie Boy]

For me, Ole is easily better. I think Southgate is terrible.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Do you think if we were to meet today's Real Madrid or Barcelona in a hypothetical final that Ole would be proactive vs them and try and take the game to them?

We played psg this year. Beat them. Also beat the two cl finalists. We didn't play like England yesterday in any of the those games.

 

[Houdini]

Ole any day of the week. Not even in the same league.

 

[Mainoldo]

We played psg this year. Beat them. Also beat the two cl finalists. We didn't play like England yesterday in any of the those games.

Have England not beat big teams under Southgate? Hmmmm

 

[DrRodo]

1. What an awful thread to make

2. People having a go at Ole, conveniently forget how good Ole is at turning the games in the second half, via substitutions or man management

3. The other is not perfect, but he got your lot to a wc semifinal and a euro final. That's Germany like results. What a bunch of spoilet brats

 

[Rajiztar]

Both doing some of the toughest jobs in the world football. That's it. Both relatively did well too.