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46A. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The 1969 landing on the moon didn’t occur and was actually staged somewhere in Arizona.
12% agree, includfing 17% of ages 18-29 and 21% of ages 30-44. Only 4% of ages 65+ because they fecking watched it live on TV.

46B. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The threat of the coronavirus was exaggerated for political reasons.
40% agree.

46C. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — Millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election.
40% agree, including 79% of registered Republicans.

46D. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — Vaccines have been shown to cause autism
17% agree (more men than women, and ages 30-44 more than other age groups)

46E. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The U.S. government is using the COVID-19 vaccine to microchip the population
20% agree

14. Bigger Risk - Which of do you think is a greater risk: possibly contracting COVID-19, or possibly having a bad reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine?
56% Covid
44% Covid vaccine


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf
 

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passed a suv with a wwgowga license plate and a q sticker but the best part was the license plate holder that said "Vietnam era veteran". :lol: that guy was probably a mechanic in waco
You'll be at least 70 years old to be a veteran of vietnam war. Assuming a good 2 or 3 years before the war ends at 1975 that's already 55 years ago. Plus 18 to be drafted.

You'd hear tales of stolen valor of all kinds in america
 

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passed a suv with a wwgowga license plate and a q sticker but the best part was the license plate holder that said "Vietnam era veteran". :lol: that guy was probably a mechanic in waco
Born in the middle of WW2!
in New Zealand
 

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/politics/house-republicans-chosen-for-january-6-committee/index.html
Jim Jordan among 5 House Republicans selected by McCarthy for January 6 select committee
Republican Reps. Jim Banks of Indiana, Jim Jordan of Ohio, Rodney Davis of Illinois, Kelly Armstrong of North Dakota and freshman Troy Nehls of Texas have been selected by McCarthy, the minority leader confirmed to CNN.
Obviously Starburst Boy is taking this very seriously
 

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America is in trouble.

46A. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The 1969 landing on the moon didn’t occur and was actually staged somewhere in Arizona.
12% agree, includfing 17% of ages 18-29 and 21% of ages 30-44. Only 4% of ages 65+ because they fecking watched it live on TV.

46B. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The threat of the coronavirus was exaggerated for political reasons.
40% agree.

46C. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — Millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election.
40% agree, including 79% of registered Republicans.

46D. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — Vaccines have been shown to cause autism
17% agree (more men than women, and ages 30-44 more than other age groups)

46E. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The U.S. government is using the COVID-19 vaccine to microchip the population
20% agree

14. Bigger Risk - Which of do you think is a greater risk: possibly contracting COVID-19, or possibly having a bad reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine?
56% Covid
44% Covid vaccine


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf
The biggest issue with this kind of research is if they’re the kind of people that do believe in conspiracy theories, why would you expect them to answer a survey truthfully, authentically etc.

A lot of the things they’re saying indicate they don’t believe in a common idea of truth, logic, legitimate authority and all that. Many of those people on Twitter and in real life just say shit they think is funny, or misleads the people that listen to them. It’s an explicit intention.

I essentially replicated that question in a survey late last year among 10,000 people and found similar results on aggregate, but when you pull them apart, maybe 20% of them are saying things that are logically inconsistent in the extreme, there’s no good reason to believe there’s any real connection between their beliefs and what they’ve said, or that they’re even attempting to tell some version of the truth. And when you exclude that 20% the results aren’t that interesting. That’s where online research has deep flaws.
 

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This "should" clear out the field for he WI Dem nomination. He is immensely popular in WI among democrats and was likely the factor that pushed Evers over the top to defeat Walker. My hope is that this primary does not turn nasty as the focus needs to be getting Americas Dumbest Senator(tm) out of office.

 

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"replace all the lead pipes? No" is one of the funniest things I've ever read.
 

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The biggest issue with this kind of research is if they’re the kind of people that do believe in conspiracy theories, why would you expect them to answer a survey truthfully, authentically etc.

A lot of the things they’re saying indicate they don’t believe in a common idea of truth, logic, legitimate authority and all that. Many of those people on Twitter and in real life just say shit they think is funny, or misleads the people that listen to them. It’s an explicit intention.

I essentially replicated that question in a survey late last year among 10,000 people and found similar results on aggregate, but when you pull them apart, maybe 20% of them are saying things that are logically inconsistent in the extreme, there’s no good reason to believe there’s any real connection between their beliefs and what they’ve said, or that they’re even attempting to tell some version of the truth. And when you exclude that 20% the results aren’t that interesting. That’s where online research has deep flaws.
I'm not sure I'm following this. Are you saying the kind of people who believe in conspiracy theories are so unreliable that we shouldn't believe them when they say they believe in conspiracy theories? That seems like some sort of very circular logic. I don't think it's possible to say that as many as 20% of people are just lying.

I certainly agree that many people, particularly they kind that would agree with the sorts of statements I quoted, have views that are logically inconsistent, but I don't think the right conclusion to that is that they don't actually hold those beliefs. People have always held logically inconsistent views. Just look at how many poor, working class whites, many of whom are on welfare, vote for Republicans. The same phenomenon can be seen in most of the western world, really. I'm sure many of the people in the survey, if pressed, wouldn't be able to reasonably articulate why they held those views, but I still think they believe they're right.
 

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"replace all the lead pipes? No" is one of the funniest things I've ever read.
This is a country that still allows people to ignore asbestos if they find it. It is also a country where 2 states (Alabama and New Hampshire) do not even require the seller to notify a buyer that asbestos/aluminum wiring/ lead pipe/ etc. exist. Why would politicians give a shit?
 

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@Carolina Red, since what happens in Texas Education spreads everywhere it looks like you are going to have some "interesting" parts of history disappearing from your textbooks.

 

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I'm not sure I'm following this. Are you saying the kind of people who believe in conspiracy theories are so unreliable that we shouldn't believe them when they say they believe in conspiracy theories? That seems like some sort of very circular logic. I don't think it's possible to say that as many as 20% of people are just lying.

I certainly agree that many people, particularly they kind that would agree with the sorts of statements I quoted, have views that are logically inconsistent, but I don't think the right conclusion to that is that they don't actually hold those beliefs. People have always held logically inconsistent views. Just look at how many poor, working class whites, many of whom are on welfare, vote for Republicans. The same phenomenon can be seen in most of the western world, really. I'm sure many of the people in the survey, if pressed, wouldn't be able to reasonably articulate why they held those views, but I still think they believe they're right.
Not that they’re lying necessarily, no, but given they don’t care much for the concept of truth - it’s completely malleable depending on the context it’s in, and the person it’s directed to / for - it’s hard to tell how to interpret that data.

In the same survey a significant portion - and a disproportionate proportion - of those same people will tell you they buy a new car multiple times a year, while saying they earn $30k a year. It’s not that they’re trying to mislead the people conducting the survey, they just find it kind of amusing to not give a shit about what’s being asked, and when there’s an opportunity to say something outlandish, they take it.

Put more simply, if you buy into the idea that a large section of society exist in a “post-truth” world, where they will happily adopt the view of election meddling purely on the basis that someone they like said it, despite all evidence to the contrary, then you have to accept that same large section will provide noisy data. Surveys have very poor controls to deal with that because previously they didn’t think it was that prevalent. Online surveys are particularly poor at identifying those people. And the panel companies like YouGov don’t really have an answer for it.

So it’s not that you should disregard the info but I would take the numbers with a huge pinch of salt, having used an almost identical set of questions from an almost identical source not long ago.
 

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Texas banned "critical race theory" in the classroom:

Decree #2: "A teacher may not make part of a course the concept that the advent of slavery constituted the true founding of the United States" or "that slavery and racism are anything other than deviations from, betrayals of, or failures to live up to, the authentic founding principles."

Decree #3: "A teacher may not require an understanding of the 1619 Project."

Decree #5: "A teacher may not make part of a course the concept that an individual should feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of the individual's race.


Absolute insanity. #2 in particular is dystopian. If any equivalent to this passed in Norway, 95% of teachers would be on strike within a couple of days, which says a lot about the importance of unions. I'm sure many Texas teachers are furious, but what is their recourse? Do the trade unions in Texas even care, or have the ability to care?
 

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America is in trouble.

46A. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The 1969 landing on the moon didn’t occur and was actually staged somewhere in Arizona.
12% agree, includfing 17% of ages 18-29 and 21% of ages 30-44. Only 4% of ages 65+ because they fecking watched it live on TV.

46B. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The threat of the coronavirus was exaggerated for political reasons.
40% agree.

46C. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — Millions of illegal votes were cast in the 2020 general election.
40% agree, including 79% of registered Republicans.

46D. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — Vaccines have been shown to cause autism
17% agree (more men than women, and ages 30-44 more than other age groups)

46E. Belief in Conspiracy Theories — The U.S. government is using the COVID-19 vaccine to microchip the population
20% agree

14. Bigger Risk - Which of do you think is a greater risk: possibly contracting COVID-19, or possibly having a bad reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine?
56% Covid
44% Covid vaccine


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/w2zmwpzsq0/econTabReport.pdf
Microchipping them would probably make sense if they believed in theories that were true and could damage their government, instead of daft things like believing that their government wants to microchip them.
 

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Fauci is done playing with the GOP Senate


But they did fund gain of function research according to the classic definition, they just changed the definition of what qualifies as gain of function.
 

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But they did fund gain of function research according to the classic definition, they just changed the definition of what qualifies as gain of function.
Almost any molecular manipulation of a virus, or bacteria (my field) could be classified as "gain of function". For instance, one of the most basic practices in bacteriology is the replacement of a gene of interest with a gene that encodes antibiotic resistance (usually ampicillin). This allows you to "find" those cells in which your gene of interest was deleted and will kill all "wild-type" cells. Similarly in viral research you will see scientist insert viral proteins from one virus into another virus (that is deemed benign) to study what the function of that protein is. To put it simply, I can cut off Messi's left foot and graft it onto my knee, but that doesn't mean I have gained the ability to score a worldy.

Besides, what was in conflict here was not if the Wuhan Institute was doing GOF research, but if the NIH/NAID was funding it. The scope of the awarded grant to EcoHealth would suggest that this was NOT a funded purpose of the grant. Is there a chance that someone was operating outside the scope of the award? Sure, but from what I have read that is not likely the case unless you take a VERY liberal definition of GOF as your basis.

In any case, Paul's ultimate goal, which he actually SAYS, is to make a case that NIH research resulted in the deaths pf millions of people.
 

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Almost any molecular manipulation of a virus, or bacteria (my field) could be classified as "gain of function". For instance, one of the most basic practices in bacteriology is the replacement of a gene of interest with a gene that encodes antibiotic resistance (usually ampicillin). This allows you to "find" those cells in which your gene of interest was deleted and will kill all "wild-type" cells. Similarly in viral research you will see scientist insert viral proteins from one virus into another virus (that is deemed benign) to study what the function of that protein is. To put it simply, I can cut off Messi's left foot and graft it onto my knee, but that doesn't mean I have gained the ability to score a worldy.

Besides, what was in conflict here was not if the Wuhan Institute was doing GOF research, but if the NIH/NAID was funding it. The scope of the awarded grant to EcoHealth would suggest that this was NOT a funded purpose of the grant. Is there a chance that someone was operating outside the scope of the award? Sure, but from what I have read that is not likely the case unless you take a VERY liberal definition of GOF as your basis.

In any case, Paul's ultimate goal, which he actually SAYS, is to make a case that NIH research resulted in the deaths pf millions of people.
Given his behavior, I'm shocked he didn't get along with his neighbor.
 

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not politics per se, but it is stuff like this we need to do to get to vaccination. I have accepted that there is 20-25% of this country that will nver get vaccinated, no matter what. The remaining bits will need to be bludgeoned apparently to get them there. Or they can die I guess.