What an awful man.
It's made me completely lose interest in looking back at Giggsy the player. Nob.
It's made me completely lose interest in looking back at Giggsy the player. Nob.
Giggs trial
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True in normal circumstances but its not like you can't Google Ryan Giggs and find out within a few seconds that he's not exactly the nicest bloke alive.
Anyway, I'm glad all those years back when there was talk of him managing us that i said I didn't want him anywhere near the club. Nobody does something as abhorrent as he did in isolation, a stint inside would be a good thing for all concerned.
Why people struggle to diffreniate between giggs the footballer and giggs the man is beyond me, he was an outstanding footballer but after that he is just a human being like the rest of us. He clearly has some morality and behaviour issue from time to time like all of us do, and obviously the accusations against him are pretty horrible, they are just that at the moment though accusastions, until proven in a court of law they don't mean a huge amount.
There's a lot of holier than thou posts on this thread, alot of posters who have obviously never done anything immoral, never reacted on instinct and regretted it, never hurt anyone physically or emotionally, or never made any mistakes, or never been accused of something they havent done before. What remarkable human beings you are.
I'm not condoning his alleged behaviour and if proven it is of course vile and the mud slinging would then be fair enough, but because he has been immoral in the past doesn't instantly make him guilty of abuse and violence now.
There's a lot of holier than thou posts on this thread, alot of posters who have obviously never done anything immoral, never reacted on instinct and regretted it, never hurt anyone physically or emotionally, or never made any mistakes, or never been accused of something they havent done before. What remarkable human beings you are.
I'm not condoning his alleged behaviour and if proven it is of course vile and the mud slinging would then be fair enough, but because he has been immoral in the past doesn't instantly make him guilty of abuse and violence now.
After reading the allegations, it sounds like there's almost certainly drug taking involved, on both behalf's.
Give Giggsy a cell until the end of the season
I would have loved for him to be proven innocent but he has a track record and there's too much bad press around him. He is the most profilic footballer in the past 30 years. Only Maldini has a claim against that.
He couldve became uniteds/ the Premier leagues/ the british, undisputed best ever.
Forget about him cheating - that's none of our business. Who gives a feck.
Imagine he was whacking your sister around? A legend of a player but an absolute disgrace of a person. And he's welsh and salfordian which makes me feel better.
What makes you say this? Nothing I've read suggests such, but you may have seen a more detailed report.
Im not one to rant and rave about cheating but it was his brothers wife! And continued when she was pregnant with her brothers child! I think I give a fk.
Did you even read my post you quoted?
I said: "99% of people on here understand the presumption of innocence". They're just not surprised he would be accused of something like this. Very few people, if any, are insinuating he's guilty because he's done scummy shit before. Did you even read the thread?
Why wouldn't you sleep with your brother's wife? Because it's wrong? In that case, it would be weird to not have a judgement about it. If it's for some other reason, like she's not your type/she's not fit/whatever, then you reasoning would make sense. Or are your morals solely guided by the legality of things?
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Just some of the actions like kicking someone in the back and locking them out of the hotel room naked. They're not rational behaviours. Giggs has no history of violent behaviour as a player, we watched him play for years. I don't think he ever lashed out once. It all sounds a bit like coke related behaviour to be honest.
I dunno, people in a bad relationship can do crazy things without drugs being involved.
I’m just relating one incident known to me personally not as a general rule. You can obviously shed more light than I can.
The fallout for my friend( ex friend I should add)!and his wife and the woman he had an affair with was far more devastating for all parties and worse for the kids. I doubt if any of the so called adults concerned ever considered this. Bruises heal, the psychological scars sometimes don’t
Ever heard of the phrase 'street angel, house devil'?
Abusive manipulative types can often be very good at appearing charming, friendly and harmless in practically every area of their lives.
That’s a reach tbh. My wife’s ex had no history of violence, was tee total and appeared an upstanding member of the community. So much so that the presiding magistrate looked to be taking his side in the divorce case.
Behind it was a physically and psychologically abusive man. As much as I’d like to go into detail as to what he did, it would take far too long.
In short, what you appear to be to all and sundry doesn’t always show the whole nature of the person.
Giggs’ family history and that of his parental relationship is complex and traumatic. There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that it’s shaped him both in the competitive sense as a sportsman and his dealings with people
People can act very different at work. I worked with bosses who ran a very tight ship at work (military like discipline) but had a free for all at home. I also had colleagues who were married who showed huge integrity in terms of work ethics but they could not keep their pants up socially wise.
I am not shrink but I suspect that Giggs saw in Sir Alex the father he never had. Which explains the difference in attitude between life and work. It also shows why his life is going to shit now that he retired
While they are indeed allegations at this point, if true, this is hardly "some morality and behaviour issues". Oraybe they are and I'm some sort of saint for having never beaten or mentally abused any of my girlfriends / wife, in which case I want my fecking halo.
I've also never shagged my siblings spouse, but than again, my brother in law isnt exactly a looker.
The morality issues is obviously the cheating, which is the only thing that's been proven or admitted so far.
Just curious, did you also treat Van Persie like a rapist when the allegations first came out?
Yeah, hence my disclaimer "if proven true".
Regarding Van Persie, what do you mean also, who else am I treating like a rapist?
I'm just curious if you were also speculating back then, IF he really did it then he's a monster etc... or if you waited to see how it developed.
Giggs is only guilty of cheating so far, yet many are already leaning towards the yeah he did it. Some even wanting him to lose the case.
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U now what happened then ? Hes in court for it pleaded not guilty, if found guilty then fair enough. Dont forget there are people who have been found innocent after being found guilty. Who do u believe. Read the press and believe that!!
Yes, I was also speculating then. Hardly surprising is it. He's on trial for something and this is an Internet forum.
The Van Persie case had quite a bit of traction here and Van Persie was a bit of a cnut as a kid, so I might've even been rather suspicious of him at some point. I'm not a judge and don't have the facts, so luckily for everyone involved I have no role in any of this. For what it's worth, I hope he's innocent, both for his own sake and for his girlfriend's sake. Though that does mean she made it all up, which means she should probably seek some help. But now I'm speculating again. I can't help myself.
Well it's more than that. The police and judicial system believe there is enough evidence to bring it to court and that he has a case to answer. He was also arrested on the night in question. Obviously innocent until proven guilty but you're painting as though people are believing some tabloid rumour and starting a witch hunt.
You're such a busybody
Domestic abusers are normally bullies so it’s not strange that we never saw him lash out at another man.
People cheat all the time. I've never done it to a girlfriend and have never done it when I meet a woman that had a partner It's a scumbag move but so many people do it and there's nothing really that can stop them. Giggs being one of them.
If giggs has done what they say he has done then he is dead to me. The man is a cnut. A wimp. Probably a psychopath. He had everything going for him - money, fame, fans, legendary status, yet cannot behave.
You're such a busybody
I didn't say this was the only reason I dislike the man did i and also didn't claim he was guilty yet?
Wonderful footballer, shame about his character.
The morality and behaviour issue are more to do with his infidelity with his brothers wife, which is petty poor but hardly the crime of the century, infact its not even a criminal act and it takes two consenting adults.
The point i was making is that his infidelity doesn't automatically make him guilty in this case like a lot of posters seem to have made him. Infidelity within family circle is probably alot more common than any of us would like to admit and although not being something I would partake in I suspect we all know of someone who has been involved in something similar.
The alleged violence and abuse is a different matter altogether.
Well I've not read all of it but he head butted her sister, kicked his gf in the back and threw her out naked in a hotel room?
I do hope their is pictures of the bruising left from the assault, sounds abit like when your mum would kick you in your backside to get you to move.
I'm guessing there is also camera footage of his gf walking around naked when he threw her out.
As for the blocking her or telling her to leave when she questions him about flirting, well that's how every girl reacts, just on the other foot now,
I do hope their is pictures of the bruising left from the assault, sounds abit like when your mum would kick you in your backside to get you to move.
I'm guessing there is also camera footage of his gf walking around naked when he threw her out.
As for the blocking her or telling her to leave when she questions him about flirting, well that's how every girl reacts, just on the other foot now,
He ruined his legendary status with his disgusting behaviour.
I get that you're trying make light of the situation (why I don't know) but the bolded is a bit troubling. That's not something that's happened in my experience mate. That would be a bit of a red flag.
Great stuff.
Kind of disappointed at how much of a crappy person Giggs has turned out to be off the pitch.
He always had the model professional lovable guy image at the club and for me thats been dented badly in the last few years.
He always had the model professional lovable guy image at the club and for me thats been dented badly in the last few years.
As a kid I remember that Giggs was more linked to partying and being a staple of the Haçienda. I don't even know if it's an accurate description.
not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, however its clear he's not the first major sporting figure to be a bit of a c*nt off the pitch - especially when its comes to behaviour towards women and yet some are still revered / loved/ idolised as being 'flawed' characters (Maradonna, Mohammed Ali, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Gazza), whilst others have their entire sporting legacy cancelled.
Often it's a question of detail. Ched Evans was found guilty of rape and sent to jail, and years later the retrial found that although he did have sex with the woman, it didn't constitute rape.
This Giggs stuff is different. Either his ex has made it up or it's true. There's no question of whether or not it was illegal, just whether or not it happened.
Think Eric Harrison had a bit of influence on him too.
His life going to shit is down to him and not taking responsibility or getting help
Which athlete had its sporting legacy cancelled? Even OJ Simpson's sporting legacy is still acknowledged by some who separate OJ the athlete from OJ the accused.
Hitler liked dogs and painting, why don't people acknowledge that instead of just focusing on his genocidal evil madness.
That was a highly complex case and totally irrelevant to the Giggs case