Interesting that they're talking about becoming a "health and wellness" company, as well purchasing a company that makes asthma inhalers. May be a savvy shift of focus for them but surely not one all cigarette companies are equipped to make?They are pushing a smokeless cigarette device instead, which seems like something far less people will use.
I can't see how it will be successful to be honest. There are other companies who have seen the writing on the wall and are gradually divesting towards alternative revenue streams (Oil and Gas companies gradually incorporating renewables is one example), but this seems more like corporate suicide since cigarettes are a mainstay of any tobacco company. I guess they are pretty much left with no choice given how smoking has gone from relatively mainstream as recently as the 90s to being banned in many places in the present.Interesting that they're talking about becoming a "health and wellness" company, as well purchasing a company that makes asthma inhalers. May be a savvy shift of focus for them but surely not one all cigarette companies are equipped to make?
'Hey everyone, did you know the horrible garbage we've pushed on men, women and children for nearly two centuries should actually be banned as soon as possible? Yes, we could have made this declaration at any point in the previous few decades when the link between smoking tobacco and dying painful early death was clear, but we didn't have new shit to push on people to keep the money coming in. We're all about vaping and wellness now, doncha know'.Tweet
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So, is this something that will happen? Is this something that should happen? And can cigarette companies transition successfully enough into other products to actually support it?
This would seem like a logical pivot.They'll pivot into weed
They already pivoted to inhalers for those with respiratory illness and nicotine chewing gum. They are a health and wellness company nowThey'll pivot into weed
Lets hope so, hopefully the archaic drug laws of the UK will catch up within the decade toThey'll pivot into weed
They were trialling it very widely in Serbia when I was there a few years ago. Looked like an oversized USB stick and you put little stick like pods into it that contained the nicotine I assume. Produced far less smoke/vapor than a vape.They are pushing a smokeless cigarette device instead, which seems like something far less people will use.
Completely agree!About fecking time. Dunno why anyone smokes those cancer sticks.
At least with alcohol the health harm is to yourself (social harm not so much) and there is a safe level of drinking. The other thing is that the tax on alcohol (in most countries) far exceeds the cost pf alcohol to the health service whereas smoking it is the opposite and kills about 4x as many people as alcohol. The other big factor is that alcohol plays such a large part in society in many countries and lots of socialising is centred on it. Smoking used to be more central to socialising than it is now but still not to the same level and of course now largely unacceptable in many places and situations.Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
Yeah just countless families ruined for centuries, nothing much.social harm not so much)
would be crazy to have one of the worst impacts on public health of any company in history and then do a complete 180If this brings about the banning of cigarettes for good can I be the first to say I love you Philip Morris.
In 2019 almost 9 million people died from heart disease so before going after Alcohol let's ban hearts and save lives.Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
but prohibition has been proved a spectacular failureCompletely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
Ok now apply that to any popular substance you're looking to banbut prohibition has been proved a spectacular failure
why go back to that?
we'd create massive black markets, unregulated/unsafe products, and a feck-tonne of crime and incarceration
and people would still drink
yeah I agree we shouldn't ban them (if that is your point)Ok now apply that to any popular substance you're looking to ban
(Just so you don't think that went unnoticed.)If this brings about the banning of cigarettes for good can I be the first to say I love you Philip Morris.
While we're at it, being born has a 100% casualty rate eventually, might as well ban giving birth.In 2019 almost 9 million people died from heart disease so before going after Alcohol let's ban hearts and save lives.
And because it was a cool reference, right? Right?(Just so you don't think that went unnoticed.)
You might be onto something, neonatal conditions caused the deaths of over 2 million babies in 2019. The 5th biggest killer worldwide that year.While we're at it, being born has a 100% casualty rate eventually, might as well ban giving birth.
I guess very few people die directly from alcohol consumption, but alcohol is a contributor to many other causes of death including some on that listYou might be onto something, neonatal conditions caused the deaths of over 2 million babies in 2019. The 5th biggest killer worldwide that year.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death
Strangely Alcohol isn't on the list.
And ban all processed foods, and limit all cars to 50 mph.Completely agree!
However, while we're on the subject of self harm, 2.8 million people died globally directly as a result of alcohol in 2019 (quick Google). Hope you weren't having a beer/glass of wine while typing out your post.
In my honest opinion we need to rid the world of BOTH simultaneously and as soon as possible.
It brought my family together in the first place in fairness, and no doubt hundreds of millions of orhers.Yeah just countless families ruined for centuries, nothing much.
I'm sure it is I wouldn't disagree but then how many deaths are related to junk food and the conditions eating too much of it leads to. As someone earlier in the thread quite rightly pointed out these discussions always go the same way, some balloon always brings alcohol into it and then comes junk food. It's not practical or probably even possible to ban Alcohol or Junk food as both are only dangerous if abused. And the same can be said of many other things.I guess very few people die directly from alcohol consumption, but alcohol is a contributor to many other causes of death including some on that list
That’s actually a smart sounding initiative.I don't actually think Cigarettes should be banned outright overnight but I do find the proposal in New Zealand interesting where cigarettes wouldn't be banned but it would be illegal to sell them to anyone born after a certain date. That way they can be phased out slowly and it wouldn't kill a load of jobs overnight.
So, to understand properly, you're against the eventual cigarettes phasing out?And ban all processed foods, and limit all cars to 50 mph.
Ban chocolate, soft drinks, ice cream, just anything that is part of the obesity pandemic, ban everything in fact that governments decide “isn’t good for us”.
These silly humans can’t make their own choices ffs. I like the idea of this future.
You can just read my post above yours.So, to understand properly, you're against the eventual cigarettes phasing out?
Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a case for alcohol being banned at all. I don't think booze or cigs should be banned and New Zealand's approach makes no sense to me either. It's only slightly better than banning them out-right now, but it's still illogical.I'm sure it is I wouldn't disagree but then how many deaths are related to junk food and the conditions eating too much of it leads to. As someone earlier in the thread quite rightly pointed out these discussions always go the same way, some balloon always brings alcohol into it and then comes junk food. It's not practical or probably even possible to ban Alcohol or Junk food as both are only dangerous if abused. And the same can be said of many other things.
I don't actually think Cigarettes should be banned outright overnight but I do find the proposal in New Zealand interesting where cigarettes wouldn't be banned but it would be illegal to sell them to anyone born after a certain date. That way they can be phased out slowly and it wouldn't kill a load of jobs overnight.