I'd bet he doesn't play on the last season of his contract. He'll either sign an extension before the season starts or go elsewhere. He's had enough injuries and if he thinks this is his last great deal, I doubt he has the stomach to risk a season without long term insurance.
Why it’s okay for Pogba to play out his contract year and decide along the way
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Because, apart from Zidane, no one elser appears to want to pay for him.
Surely that should tell Poba FC something about their idol.
It hasn't yet, we've got a better record without him.
You wrote the below in response to another poster. . .
You say the fastest way for him to move would be to take a pay cut then throw out the wildest speculation that, he has ‘been forever wanting to move’ so that’s why I asked you would you take a pay cut simply cause a stakeholder with no real information didn’t like you because that’s what you’re asking Pogba to do.
It’s fine to avoid the question, it’s a rather simple one. We see him 1/2 times a week & get highly edited interviews every so often; from those things you have convinced yourself he wants to leave; Raiola chats crap yes but as has already been discussed in this thread a majority of forum members would sell a night with their nan for a chance to sign Haaland so he isn’t really the issue. A player speaking of a new challenge isn’t saying, he wants to leave immediately.
By all means dig up multiple articles from the last few years where Pogba says he wants to leave but I doubt you can cause it’s all fan fiction made up in your head.
‘if he wants to leave bad enough’, we’ll obviously he doesn’t.
Then in that case we shouldn't be bothered about him leaving on a free if he's holding us back.
2018 Raiola offers Pogba to City
2019 looking for a new challenge
2020 Raiola says it's over for Pogba at United on the eve of the biggest game of the season.
The common denominator in all this is his mouth piece agent but there's no way you can believe Pogba didn't give his blessing on all his comments. Pogba has been very intelligent in all this. People saying he's being very respectful and saying nothing when in reality he's shitting all over the club through other sources and quite frankly I can't wait to see his arse out the door as soon as possible. How people can keep giving him their full support I just don't know.
Thanks for all that, but when did Pogba say he wants to leave the club?
Players talk about new challenges all the time so I’ll give you poetic license for 2019 but he’s been saying this constantly for the past few years apparently. . .
I can’t say whether Pogba gave his blessing or not; I’m not privy to his private conversations.
I’ve already said his agent is a loud mouth, a large amount of posters would accept Haaland in a heartbeat though so he’s not really the issue.
Stating he ‘wants to leave’ is nothing but pure speculation though.
How people can give him their full support? Mate this forum were foaming over the Herrera video the club posted when he fecked off to PSG for personal riches so supporting a player who as of now is still employed by the club isn’t a massive issue.
It’s a horrendous situation for the club to find ourselves in but feeding into the frenzy & filling in the gaps with negativity is ridiculous.
In the football world this has always been the case. Running down the contract has been seen as being hostile to your club ever since I've been watching football.professionalism = not running down a contract
how / in what world does that make sense
Do we need another thread to bash him? We have enough thread on this forum on his contract situation
another supporter that seems to know more than the club. If that was really the case, don’t you United would have already sold and moved on from him by now?
I’m not saying Pogba is a saint, he has clearly voiced his displeasure in the past with full right to do so with how things were being run then. At the same time, don’t make United to be some saint either. They were piss poorly managed and a laughing stock in all of world football before Ole’s arrival.
…at time Pogba’s been content, others not so much. The common denominator in all of this is, United have never wanted to sell him because to an extent they know they didn’t do the best to surround him early on and probably feel some sort of guilt. The club know they’ve been in the wrong or else they would’ve taken the easy route by pulling the plug and letting Pogba transfer by now. Like think about it logically — why else have they clinged on to him all this time? But noooo, it’s always 100% always on Pogba
simple Q: who’s let it run down, Pogba or United?
I don't think it's too much to ask to have committed players at United. We know for a fact that twice Raiola has tried to whore his player out, one of those times to City no less and Pogba himself has said he's looking for a new challenge so personally I can't see that commitment towards the club which a lot of people seem to take offense to when we call him out on it.
I'm not in agreement with you when you say players come out with looking for a new challenge all the time. They may say it to force a move which normally ends with that player leaving. I can't remember another player in history that's flaunted with leaving a club so many times and he's still here. Where I am in agreement with you is his agent keeps stirring the shit but personally I find it impossible to believe that Pogba didn't give him his backing. If Raiola went rogue then the least Pogba could have done was to publicly come out and gave his own version of events. Something he's never done which to me shows a previous comment I made about Pogba being very intelligent with getting other people to do his dirty business.
A players flaunts once with leaving his club could be forgiven. Twice we're now on dodgy ground but 3 times? No way. Like I said before. If a player isn't 100% committed to United then he isn't getting my support. No matter how good he is.
Literally just now. He was a free agent in July.
He can do it if he wants that's fine, but fans have every right to be annoyed with it. I also don't think he's actually "thinking about it" and that he's probably already made his decision to leave the same way Donnarumma did)
United would of sold him some time ago once it starting looking like Pogba was running down his contract but no club are prepared to pay anything like the club think he's worth. That's the reason we're in the mess we're in and nothing to do with the club being in the wrong. Now Pogba holds all the cards through the clubs own stupidity and Raiolas greed and if you think the club feels some sort of guilt then you've no idea how the business world works. I've obviously no proof on the matter but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that United regret the day when they brought Pogba back to United. £150m+ basically down the drain between fees and wages with the district possibility that he leaves on a free. Again. True hero our Pogba.another supporter that seems to know more than the club. If that was really the case, don’t you United would have already sold and moved on from him by now?
I’m not saying Pogba is a saint, he has clearly voiced his displeasure in the past with full right to do so with how things were being run then. At the same time, don’t make United to be some saint either. They were piss poorly managed and a laughing stock in all of world football before Ole’s arrival.
…at time Pogba’s been content, others not so much. The common denominator in all of this is, United have never wanted to sell him because to an extent they know they didn’t do the best to surround him early on and probably feel some sort of guilt. The club know they’ve been in the wrong or else they would’ve taken the easy route by pulling the plug and letting Pogba transfer by now. Like think about it logically — why else have they clinged on to him all this time? But noooo, it’s always 100% always on Pogba
Fans are annoyed just because it detracts from their fantasies regarding transfer kittys.
Tying Pogba's departure to a transfer restricts the amount of clubs he could decide to go to. If Pogba decides a free transfer is in his best interest (destination and compensation wise), his only obligation to the club is to be professional, show up to training, and be available for selection by the manager. If this is an untenable situation we should have considered selling him last summer when we had more leverage. Going forward this should be reflected in our transfer and contract management strategy.
Tying Pogba's departure to a transfer restricts the amount of clubs he could decide to go to. If Pogba decides a free transfer is in his best interest (destination and compensation wise), his only obligation to the club is to be professional, show up to training, and be available for selection by the manager. If this is an untenable situation we should have considered selling him last summer when we had more leverage. Going forward this should be reflected in our transfer and contract management strategy.
So he’s not committed because he hasn’t signed. . .
Grealish & Kane have [reoprtedly] told their respective clubs they’d like to play elsewhere long before the last year of their contracts. Their are countless examples of players downing tools mid-contract whilst others try their hardest & leave at the end of one.
It’s a ridiculously emotional stance to take saying his commitment lies in his contract length. If he tries his hardest & leaves when his contract end he’s fulfilled his contractual obligation. We are a better squad with Pogba in it & already need a new midfielder without freezing one out as some have asked for.
I get it mate, from a Manchester United perspective it’s terrible. We’ve got an asset who looks to be running his time down for the second time but by your logic Schmiechel should have been dropped in the treble season, we should have gotten rid of Ronaldo 2 years before he did go & Rooney should have been sold to Citeh.
We lost Herrera to PSG in similar fashion, the lesson has yet not been learnt.
I was trying to be optimistic, but yeah, good point.
Either way, more players are realizing this is a way to get more money into their pockets. I don't begrudge them that but clubs have to be smart if they wish to recoup transfer fees. Or just focus on free/cheap transfers.
I get what you're saying and believe me I've no emotional ties to Pogba whatsoever. I don't hate him just the same as I couldn't care less if he's sold in this window or even if he runs down his contract but I look at other signings like Maquire, Bruno, AWB, Shaw even Fred and I can see they are fully committed to trying to take United back to the top. I don't see that with Pogba and maybe its because I'm more old school but I can't fully support a player if he's not fully committed but maybe that's just me.
Its not just that.professionalism = not running down a contract
how / in what world does that make sense
Besides a handful of games hes been pretty underwhelming for us. Jose might be a cnut, but its not like Pogba was innocent in all that Then you have all the drama with him wanting to leave every year and his fatarse agent and brother running their mouths every couple of months to the press
Compare it to Ronaldo. Who also wanted to leave, but had done 10x more for the club and even after he left he treated the club with more respect than Pogba has ever done
Pogba is happy to let his hired obnoxious leech of a mouthpiece do all the talking, and maintain a semblance of decency. Reality is, hes letting him talk , so must agree with it .
ok you must be wumming now
. he takes a pay cut by getting his move elsewhere, now, at 28, in his peak, not in demand, not take a pay cut while at United. How you came up with that i'll never know. Raiola was agent of Zlatan and Mikitarian, he had nothing to say on their behalf. Maybe, just maybe he does the players bidding. but yeah, its all in our heads
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I've often thought the financially as if most players would be best seeing out their contracts and leaving on a free for an up front lump sum or higher wages.
For clubs to let that happen as it is simply bad business.
Transfer fees v leaving on a free causes a conflict of interest between club and player.
For clubs to let that happen as it is simply bad business.
Transfer fees v leaving on a free causes a conflict of interest between club and player.
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Nah lad, you wrote something & haven’t backed it up but yea it’s wuming because you’ve been outed for filling gaps that don’t exist.ok you must be a wumming now
You’ve spouted nothing but negative opinions & are yet to produce one piece of evidence that ‘he wants out’ because. . . he’s never definitively said he does.
Stick on topic or move on, I’m easy either way but as a forum people should be more careful about spouting opinions as facts.
You don’t know he wants to move on but say he should take a pay cut in order to do so ‘fast’, then run away from the nonsensical statement for an evening when asked why he should do so.
No ones said take a pay cut at United, keep up.
I find it just as hard to support players who say all the right things but continue to flounder in the games that matter. I get that chest thumping & demonstrating emotion can convey something for us fans but at this point in all their United careers the players you list have tangibly done less than Pogba has.
The last time we won something Pogba was PotT. Do I think it’s been worth £150mil? No, but the players you list aren’t playing for free; they’re well remunerated & have won nothing of note for Manchester United, Shaw aside.
Pogba’s languid style can p*ss me off no end so I do see your argument but I can’t call him non-commital in this situation.
The OP had me in tears. Poor poor lad Pogba. What have we done to him? How cruel of us. OMG, poor boy.
Weeps in 290k pw.
Weeps in 290k pw.
We all know why...
A player not behaving in the way you think he should isn't a lack of professionalism. It's just an indicator that your love for a football club has distorted your perception of reality.
Manchester United is a multibillion-pound, multinational entity. Pogba isn't the big bad wolf in this fight.
Manchester United is a multibillion-pound, multinational entity. Pogba isn't the big bad wolf in this fight.
This is the correct answer to the thread.
ive answered you several times now to the point of boredom, yet you concocted in your mind a situation of shareholders being unhappy (the feck?) and ignored the fact only this season his agent threw the club and our manager under the bus right before a CL game doesnt seem to dawn on you he is serving the player. but carry on with the notion its everyone elses fault but Pogbas.
I mean come on. I'm a Manchester united fan through and through, but as a footballer I'm gonna use any negotiating tactic I can to get a better salary. In all likelihood my salary is gonna be either magnitudes less or nonexistent for the rest of my life. It's literally common sense. That's why people are always disappointed whenever any and every footballer ever bar Paul Scholes negotiates a higher salary by flirting with other clubs and running down their contracts.
It's not treasonous as you guys think. It would be dumb to not do it. These are gigantic corporations with billionaire owners. Whenever you feel like the world is closing in cause a player is not signing a contract, sit back, relax, and remember it's not you they're rejecting personally, it's the revenue generating machine that is Manchester united.
Pogba has done nothing wrong, legally. But i am United fan, and have the Club best interest only.
He can feck off if you ask me. Dunno why but he just looks all act without the elite ability (Ronaldo).
This is a redux of the Becks versus United situation once again. People who idolise the player ahead of the club.
i'm not against him running down his contract. I think that's where football is heading and will be quite normal moving forward as clubs no longer have the finances to shell out ridiculous fees. If United can afford it, having Pogba play one more season will allow us an extra season to get his replacement ready. I don't think he fits with what we are and what we are building. I don't think his game meshes well with the league either. He'd benefit from a slower paced league, we will benefit from a more defensively aware and energetic midfielder. No point holding onto an asset for holding on sake or saving face. His wages are clearly exorbitant too.
I know, oh dear, how sad, never mind.
My problem with Pogba has always been the disrespectful way he, his agent and known affiliates have talked about the club to the press. Its man united. He put Ole under so much pressure at the start of the 19/20 season. Some have forgotten what it was like with the the press, but I haven't. Mourinho had already gone and his agent was still airing out rubbish. For me, that was one of the rock bottoms for United as a club since Fergie left.
OK, if he has such respect for Ole, why did he let his agent, a man he employs, say what he did, or at least apologize for it?the context:
back in the summer of 2016, Pogba had all of world footballing in the palm of his hands. He was as exuberant of a player as he was a character being 1 of a kind. What did he do? He decides to go back to his academy days club despite it being poorly run from top to bottom. Long gone are the glory days but he was promised there would be a project built around him to make his decision of joining worthwhile. For the first 3 odd seasons, the club wasn’t able to hold up their end of the bargain for what they wished to Paul. At the same time, he was playing through injuries, frustrations of being let down of those promises, being made the scapegoat for all the teams lack of successes while also being held captive in the sense the team would not sell him even when he did portray he was not enjoying his time. Virtually had no teammates close to his level/ceiling so imagine how that feels, a supposed project yet being left stranded as a player who simply cannot do it all by himself.
Then comes in Ole. Pogba having had over 2 years under him, the rotten stench inside the club is slowly uprooted and a proper vision is laid into motion. It progresses but slowly in due time. From being the stand alone star player bar De Gea for a number of seasons to now being surrounded with the likes of other such stars in Bruno, Cavani, Shaw, Maguire, Varane, AWB, Rashford, Sancho.
…point being, it took Pogba over half the duration of his contract when he signed back with United to start seeing any sort of sustainable progress / those promises. So him being unhappy in certain moments - is it really that far fetched to see why? And it leaves a great dilemma that he will have to a give a big think over, now that steam has picked up and the progress in clear backing of the right kinds of players is there to be seen for all.
he was football’s brightest young star when he left Juventus. He was left disappointed from United’s end for 3 years. The last 2 they have been making amends by becoming stronger. And now in the final season of his contract, he truly has a situation on his hands that no one can honestly blame whichever direction he chooses to go. Maybe he has a sour taste in his mouth from the early years and wants out, maybe he appreciates the recent efforts but still feels it’s too little too late, or maybe he even changes his mind as the year plays out and decides the work done has won him back over.
in any scenario, let’s please stop vilifying the man and at the minimum see the human element to it all. The roller coaster of emotions and such is quite literally what any normal person would think so let’s not pretend to be shocked in any way. I for one will be glad whatever he decides to do and have been able to appreciate his efforts having stuck around all this time
Wow, some of these comments are revealing. A lot different from the NA perspective to what I’d assume is a large English/Euro presence here.
my consensus: players aren’t slaves, they can choose whatever they want. Pogba has been direct throughout the years. It has been United that chose not to sell him earlier let alone now. And somehow that falls on Pogba? I get there’s love for the club but that’s outright blindness. Some of you make it seem as if it’s never the clubs fault to how circumstances evolve. And also some how speak for the club when they don’t really care at the end of the day (ex: fans mad at Pogba for playing out his final year when the club is perfectly content with, United CHOOSING to keep him around instead of selling knowing full well the risk/reward associated with their decision).
my consensus: players aren’t slaves, they can choose whatever they want. Pogba has been direct throughout the years. It has been United that chose not to sell him earlier let alone now. And somehow that falls on Pogba? I get there’s love for the club but that’s outright blindness. Some of you make it seem as if it’s never the clubs fault to how circumstances evolve. And also some how speak for the club when they don’t really care at the end of the day (ex: fans mad at Pogba for playing out his final year when the club is perfectly content with, United CHOOSING to keep him around instead of selling knowing full well the risk/reward associated with their decision).
He has the right to run down his contract.
He also has the obligation to be a professional. Play to his best till the last week he's employed and not mouthing off on every occasion.