You've defo improved with that regard, I just think it's hard to define leaders or winners, especially with this generation of players. What's easier to define is balance, quality of a team. Get that right & results tend to improve anyway.
What manager says to PC is just PR stunt, they don't mean exact word by word. Ole said 2nd is a failure, now he uses 2nd as a measure of progress. Henderson was a laughing stock, now he is a winning mentality captain.
Exactly. Obviously you need players who have that presence but that doesn't mean every player who doesn't have presence doesn't have winning mentality, whatever that means. Some people shout at others, some players lead the example by their performance.
Yeah I agree, I can see players like Smith Rowe developing into that but they need the right people around him.
But no one is judging arteta after one game. He has been here for almost 18 months now and people are judging him on that. Like I said credit to him if he does a 180 and Arsenal start doing exceptionally well but from what we have seen I struggle to see how you guys can finish in top 4 or even challenge for it.
What's funny is finishing 5th under emery or finishing 4th under latter year of wenger was considered a failure but this somehow has been accepted by some arsenal fans. The best thing arteta has done is lowered the standards and have these arsenal fans accept that they are a midtable club.
No, but you are putting in his spending for this season in your earlier post, so you need to let the season at least play out a bit to see if the summers activity makes any difference. Also, not once have I said we can get top 4, because the top 4 is too far ahead, I think its simple as that.
Never judged him for this season's signing. Look at my original post again I said the club has spent 130m so far , so he has been backed and must deliver. If finishing top 4 is not the goal, then what is his goal. 130m, no european football (so one week of rest) and if he still doesn't challenge for top 4 , then surely he is continuing to do a poor job. Surely there has to be some standards he has to match. You don't spend 130m and say no one expects top 4 from him. Emery was abused for far less and here we have this guy getting a free pass for most of the thing.
If his and the club's goal was to get top 4 this year, bar Odegaard, these are not the signings we would have made. We tried the "average but experienced player" strategy to try to apply a quick fix and get back in the CL train. It crashed and burned in Baku and to a lesser extent against Villareal a few months ago. We would still have had to beat you in a final so not sure it made a big difference. Signing the likes of Willian, Mari etc was dumb considering the plan has clearly changed. The constant shift and changes in the higher-ups clearly did not help.
If I said that Arsenal would challenge for top 4 with this squad would most on here say I was delusional? Seriously, you guys are better than us, City have just been champions, Chelsea are Champions of Europe, & Liverpool have recently been both of these already, & you think I should demand Arsenal are top 4?
I get that but still feel you guys could do what Leicester have been doing for the past 2 seasons that is challenge for top 4, especially with no European football, you must take an advantage of that. Maybe Chelsea United City and Liverpool are better but what about Spurs, Leicester, Westham. And if someone says after spending 130m Arsenal are still worse than the other 3 mentioned sides then definitely one has to look at the manager. You don't just spend £130m and say that is for the future. I feel a top 4 challenge should be a bare minimum.
Looks the same as 2010 squad to me, you had promising young talents who were under 23 and a great manager. But these lads without a leader on the pitch, having a a bad season, then most of them wanted to leave when the season end.
Arsenal seriously need a rebuild of their team's foundations, i reckon. It might be worth a couple of years out of contention for Europe if they end up with a cohesive squad and a sense of forward momentum again. Rather than paying top dollar for the types of players who might perform well in the short term but who will come on big wages and leave Arsenal in this same kind of situation in a year or 2. And likely not get top 4 anyway.
Difference is that the young talented players have a greater chance of staying if we are on the up. ESR, Saka are youth products, Odegaard has had his taste of the big time. Tierney just signed a contract extension. There's a reasonable chance that White/Gabriel also stay for a long time. Thats 6 players that can play at least for half a decade.
It's still a results based industry in the end. The pressure is already on Arteta, so he can't have another start of the season like he had last season, as the pressure will get too great.
So we are like a West Ham squad, miles off top 6, a West Ham squad that finished....6th.
Was Clichy also your youth product? And Fabregas-Nasri-Song had built an amazing chemistry that make people though they would played together for a deacade.
You know exactly what I mean.So we are like a West Ham squad, miles off top 6, a West Ham squad that finished....6th.
I think no European football will help Arsenal. Always feel a better manager can take this side closer to 4th. They may not be a great squad but still I feel a much better squad than westham. Them finishing 8th has more to do with arteta's incompetence than squad being shit.
We've agreed on, I believe, 18 points from the first 10 games. You predicted that Arsenal might lose the opener to Brentford
, I said that's alright as long as the points are made good in another game... no better opportunity than against ChelseaI don't think there's much between Leicester & ourselves personally, but can understand why folk think otherwise.
I did predict that eh?We've agreed on, I believe, 18 points from the first 10 games. You predicted that Arsenal might lose the opener to Brentford
Didn't expect it to happen with half a team missing mind you, not an ideal way to start a season.Tweet
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What? Clichy wasn't our youth product, neigther was Fabregas, Nasri, Song. And the leader thing is just some lazy thinking, you need good players on the pitch, leadership is not a substitute for talent.
I've just realised Ben White looks a lot like Elisabeth Moss.
£132m spent whilst slightly improving on last years squad
4th game is Norwich at home, the pressure on him losing that would be massive I think.
We finished on 61 points. A slight improvement gets us top six, which is the highest we can get to really. Top four is too far away.
If you don’t fire Arteta you won’t make Europe again. It’s going to be really hard for you guys since competition around you is so strong. The top 5 is settled. That leaves West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton and Aston Villa all fighting for 1-2 spots.
