I agree with Gary. We will not win the league (IMO, we won't even challenge) where we diverge is why?
Gary Neville - Pundit
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It isn't just Neville, it is a lot of ex-players that this place gets all smooth brained over.
Did you deliberately ignore my first two sentences or is this a comprehension issue?
He was saying last week if we sign Kane we can get it 90-95 points (which would win the league most probably). We sign somebody better than Kane and now he doesn’t think we can challenge. I disagree with his initial assertion but his logic is odd at times.
It is that I can't argue with. But his logic is RedCafe like in the way he doesn't want to believe too much and get hurt. He's naturally pessimistic, like many football fans. You could see how giddy he is over Ronaldo, but he's still cautious.
Deep down I think Neville knows but won't say is that he'd be a lot more confident about us winning the title if Tuchel or Pep were managing us instead of Ole. Even if we sign a midfielder I doubt Neville will change his tune.
No he's not but that's mitigated to some extent by the respective summers the three have had.
This summer our recruitment has been by far the best. As good as Klopp and Pep are it ultimately comes down to players and recruitment.
Klopp for instance has really got a job on. If he can win it again with pretty much the same team he's had for 3/4 years that would be some achievement. Maybe his best. He'd kill for our summer.
Ole not as good a manager but the resources he now has means he has to challenge.
He often beats Pep in head to heads. And that was with an inferior squad the last few seasons.
I agree with you, all three of them talking at him at the same time while he kept his composure and answered truthfully. Hasselbank stuttering and going on about mentality shows they agree with him but just winding up.
Just don't get what he said wrong...
City won easily last season and Chelsea won the CL he is right there. United of course should be challenging for titles this season though. Neville is entitled to his opinion and it could be the case here who knows.
City won easily last season and Chelsea won the CL he is right there. United of course should be challenging for titles this season though. Neville is entitled to his opinion and it could be the case here who knows.
The difference is the managers, he knows it, we all know it, anything else is just noise
It’s cool to hate ex players is what I take from it
It's not so much his logic, it's not wanting to have a go at a mate. Which I get. It's not like our national security depends on Gary Neville being objective. It's just a bloke talking about football. So if he's being a bit cute to protect a pal I can understand. We'd probably all do the same.
Once again, a very weird reaction to a perfectly reasonable point from Gary. He's not helped by the presenter and co-hosts either, 'why sign Ronaldo if it doesn't get you the title?', when he's literally just said he thinks it gives us a much better chance of winning it. Unlike Gary, I think we should back ourselves to finish ahead of Chelsea. The simple fact is that in terms of the title, we're up against the best ever Premier League side who have proven on more than one occasion to be capable of getting to 100 points(ish), while we've only ever once squeezed past 90. If they get to that points tally again, it will be extremely hard for us to beat them, and it's unlikely we will, even if Ronaldo should bring us closer to that level. Which is all Gary said.
Much older player at that point and other players started very often.
And we don't have zinchenko, stones or Torres. In those 3 positions we have players of class far beyond city. The pnl place they are stronger is manager
We didnt lose the title because of the midfield last year. We had way too many draws that a top striker (Ronaldo) should solve.
People under estimate what a 20-25 a season player brings to a team that already has good scorers throughout. Without Van Persie, we dont win our last title.
What Gary should have said is, “United probably wont win the title because Ole is the inferior manager out of the title challengers”.
Man for man, you would take more United players than Chelsea so I dont get this sudden bigging up of their squad.
So? Do you think he's the better manager?
Sure and that's what Nev said?
I think you need to understand why......, you realise Levy/Kane wouldnt have gone to Chelsea or done business with us anyway, it just doesnt happen. If you had gone in with 160, or a deal worth that right after the euros, youd have had a very good chance. And 160 for Kane is not that outrageous. City didnt get him because they pissed about, talking about him in public which is something levy doesnt like.
It makes much more sense. Kane arguably wins you the league, CR7 doesnt.
Kane is not, and has never been, a better player (or even striker) than Cristiano.
Saying Kane will win us the league and Cristiano won't, is not sensible.
If we don't win the league, it will be because of our midfield, or because City has another one of them 100 point seasons. Not because we chose Cristiano over Kane.
Sure. But at least City/United/Chelsea because Chelsea clearly doesn't have a squad as good as us right now. Also for those of you who claim people here jumping on him "didn't watch the video", might I point out thay other reporters/pundits in the video also literally laughed at him for his bullshit statement? It's not just us, he got laughed by his own colleagues because Neville himself doesn't believe we are still third favorites, he is just saying this so Ole isn't under pressure to deliver
I think he said, when pushed, Ronaldo takes us closer. Not sure exactly what he means by that. Still in contention with a couple of weeks to go?
But I mean from a fans perspective, yeah we're up against Klopp and Pep. But I don't think they have an XI that's so amazing the best we can say is "we'll get a bit closer."
If it was a different manager I think Gary would be going in much stronger. He hasn't because Ole is his mate and I totally get that.
Hasselbank missed a trick when Gary flipped the question around. He should have said what he thinks. United should win it but won't because of the manager. Then put it back to Gary. Where as Gary wants to keep the discussion purely about the players.
I get your point, but i would be much more worried facing utd with Kane right now, than Cr7.
I think Kane would frustrate in the same way Rooney used to towards the end of his time at United. He'd spend far too much time playing deep and getting in the way of Fernandes.
Disagree completely. If you ignore age and just go for who's better for 1 season, it's Ronaldo hands down for me for any team in the world and even more so for a team like ours that has attackers (bar Cavani) who range from abysmal to average when it comes to movement and getting to the end of things and have top creators like Bruno and Pogba. I'd take Ronaldo staying in and around the box playing off the shoulder of the defensive line trying to get to the end of things to Kane dropping deep and getting in the way of Pogba + Bruno.
160m for Kane gets us no Varane and no Sancho and certainly no Ronaldo. And no, it doesn’t guarantee us the title, far from it. And I’d rather play it how we did.
Why on earth would he say that? christ
he's playing down United's chances to keep the pressure off, there is nothing more to it
Then we should get someone who is as good or better than Pep and Klopp - unfortunately this is a ruthless business with little room for sentiment
But regardless, we won't lose the title in the direct matches vs Pep or Klopp. The title will be decided by the mistakes we make against the likes of Southampton and Wolves. If Ole has vastly greater resources and can't even get the better of Hassenhuttl etc, what's the excuse then?
Fair enoughWhy on earth would he say that? christ
he's playing down United's chances to keep the pressure off, there is nothing more to it
Do name these managers
Conte, Zidane currently available - Tuchel + Allegri if we moved in earlier last year.
Because its the truth and he is paid millions by sky to be a pundit. If Liverpool were being managed by Gerrard and we had Klopp, he would have said it about them.Why on earth would he say that? christ
he's playing down United's chances to keep the pressure off, there is nothing more to it
not even gonna bother responding to that
still think the midfield isn't the problem watching this?
When did anyone not think midfield is a problem?not even gonna bother responding to that
still think the midfield isn't the problem watching this?
Who would that be?
A better manager gets more from the midfield we have.
The reason we keep getting cut open in midfield is because the ball won't stick up front and we end up giving it away with everybody ahead of the ball. Ronaldo isn't going to lose it as softly as our forwards have been doing.not even gonna bother responding to that
still think the midfield isn't the problem watching this?
Our midfield is a weak point but we could have Xavi in his prime and still have the same problem. Its on Ole that he can't find a balance in the side.
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this was before we got Ronaldo. Now after we have signed Ronaldo who is a better player than Kane, he came out yesterday and said the team is not ready to win titles. He is working so hard to protect his mate with the hypocrisy he say everyday.
He's getting a bit too giddy about things this year.
Watches Lukaku tap one in against a depleted Arsenal and declaring him to be some sort of world beater.
Then says Havertz can be "anything" despite failing to play the simplest of balls to Lukaku for a certain chance on goal v Liverpool.
Watches Lukaku tap one in against a depleted Arsenal and declaring him to be some sort of world beater.
Then says Havertz can be "anything" despite failing to play the simplest of balls to Lukaku for a certain chance on goal v Liverpool.
He should be called out.