He'd be better off playing Pogba out left so he can be closer to the forwards and playing Matic & DVB in midfield like he did in pre-season where they were spot on. They also played well in the 2 or 3 times they were played together last season. The idea that we need busy bodies buzzing around, lashing the ball here there and everywhere is mental and our deep midfielders end up giving the ball away more often than they win it.
Would Pep/Tuchel win the title with the current United squad and Ole with the current City/Chelsea squad?
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Hypothetical scenario so obviously cant say for sure, but if I was a betting man I'd say Pep and Tuchel would have a significantly better chance to do it, while I dont think Ole would with City nevermind Chelsea.
Of course pep would of won. Guy won the league with no striker last season. Tuchel I'm not sure let's see how he does this season.
Hell no, I hope we win the lot. I just think that like you said, we've got the best squad we've had in years and so now if we do fail there will be no more excuses for people to make and shelter Ole with. How the squad and mood has been turned around is great but he was never brought in with the intention of being a permanent fix and the same goes for the coaching staff that came along with him. It's clear that people enjoy themselves and get on with each other but we need more than that to challenge against the top teams and coaches in the PL today.
Having Pogba, Bruno, VDB, Fred…. Is utterly disgraceful for any professional team.
We can look at how he improved Chelsea after taking over from Lampard.
Yeh agreed. Anyway, this is just a thought exercising, with no obvious answer, man.Klopp, and Tuchel would. I don’t think Pep would. Ole wouldn’t with all three teams. I hope I’m wrong.
So anwer the question. Sell Lingard to West Ham. Give the recepie
Sure I'm not saying he couldn't but I'm not sure since he has not had to win a trophy in a situation where he has strong opposition. Let's see how he does this season.
It's a preseason, we just loaned out preseason Pirlo, that's how useful they are to judge the performance. Matic is not mobile and he messes up the balance of the team even more than Pogba in midfield 2. He is not mobile, drops too deep and always releases the ball late, taking too many touches.
Well de Beek is becoming better player every week he isn't playing.
I like your question and its a good point to debate but bemoaning the shallow nature of answers you are likely to get.
How the hell can you actually say Donny is becoming better by not playing? Matic isn't as mobile as Fred, but he doesn't need to be. If Matic gives the ball away twice a game and wins it back 5 times a game then that is far better than mobile Fred buzzing around winning it back 10 times and giving it away 20 times.
Moronic analogy aside, West Ham have been reported to be interested in Lingard all summer, not my job to try to sell him, it's Ole's and Manchester United. If they pay even 10% of his wages at this point, he should be gone.
When he became our best CM or one of our best CM. It's the usual "player who isn't playing is better than the player who is playing" syndrome.
Yeah this is 2021 and Matic is shit.
No.
Yes, yes/ Hell no.
Ah, the classic making excuses line which completely avoids all semblance of debate surrounding the actual issues that posters quite rightly being to the table: the midfield not being good enough for one. It isn’t an excuse. It’s just a reality of the team’s current issues and one worthy of discussion.
I’m not going to engage with you any more as you strike me as a bit daft. Having reservations regarding Ole is reasonable but the suggestion that he is ‘out of his depth’ is simply bollocks and not remotely linked to reality.
I am quite impressed with Chelsea side, he would improve us I think. Pep - I have doubts, his teams always play the same game and we have only 3 players who would fit (Varane, Maguire, Shaw). Pep would go bald again watching our forwards "pressing".
City look like a finished team so yeah I think Ole could win it. In Chelsea I don't think so.
City look like a finished team so yeah I think Ole could win it. In Chelsea I don't think so.
Tuchel would, attacking wise I'd say United have the better forward players. Chelsea can still improve in a few positions whereas I think we are seeing Ole take the team the farthest he can. That's not a slight on the players but rather the capabilities of the manager.
Im asking because you say things like they solve themselves. So go ahead, you obviously have the answer. Based in reality please
City don't have a striker and play their former striker at rw with no left back. How is that a finished side?
Definitely league is a different proposition. I’d say all top managers, and all managers exceeding expectations with what they have develop a team that is more valuable than the sum of its parts. But the ultimate master of this at the top end is Klopp.
That’s probably my main criticism of Ole, our team is better than the sum of its parts and individually we have one of the most valuable, both in cost and talent, teams in Europe
Yes
United has the best starting XI in the EPL, there is absolutely no excuses left for Ole, his fanboys and his friends in the media. United can easily with the league if they had a half decent manager.
I feel that Ole has done a great job getting us here, as not even all the top managers are capable of rebuilding squads. He got rid of most of the deadwood, and you could tell that the team spirit hasn't been better since Fergie.
I also think it's fair to say that his game management isn't great, and it's so obvious the players aren't coached to handle some situations, like how we react when pressed sometimes.
I think he can survive not being great at that, but maybe he needs to have a better team around him.
I feel we're the closest we've ever been to a title challenge in 8 years, but I wouldn't put my money on it because Chelsea, Liverpool and City clearly have better managers. I think this will be his last season, and I hope I'm proven wrong.
I also think it's fair to say that his game management isn't great, and it's so obvious the players aren't coached to handle some situations, like how we react when pressed sometimes.
I think he can survive not being great at that, but maybe he needs to have a better team around him.
I feel we're the closest we've ever been to a title challenge in 8 years, but I wouldn't put my money on it because Chelsea, Liverpool and City clearly have better managers. I think this will be his last season, and I hope I'm proven wrong.
Tuchel and Guardiola would win with this sqaud. Ole wouldnt win with city or chelsea squad as hes still unproven and yet to deliver a major trophy.
Tuchel and Guardiola could. Ole wouldn't.
This.
Neither of them are winning a title with this midfield. McTominay and Fred are functional at best, and finishing 2nd with them as regulars in the side is our ceiling.
Every man and his dog could've told you we need a midfielder this transfer window, and I'm under no illusions that Ole feels the same way. One injury to McTominay is all it takes to look pathetic against the likes of Wolves and Southampton. It's hugely disappointing that this looks like it will go unresolved when the rest of the team looks capable of challenging.
Every man and his dog could've told you we need a midfielder this transfer window, and I'm under no illusions that Ole feels the same way. One injury to McTominay is all it takes to look pathetic against the likes of Wolves and Southampton. It's hugely disappointing that this looks like it will go unresolved when the rest of the team looks capable of challenging.
McTominay doesn't make us any better in either of our last 2 games. He's almost as poor as Fred. The only reason we battered Leeds is because of how open Leeds play. McTominay offers no creative spark or defensive prowess. We need a top class signing & probably also a decent back-up otherwise you're spot on, it'd take a miracle to win a title with our midfield.
He doesn't make us a great deal better on the ball, no, which is why we need a new midfielder. We don't get played through as though the midfield doesn't exist though - Traore had the whole pitch at his mercy if he bypassed Fred yesterday. Against Southampton Matic and Fred was dreadful as well, that pairing should never see the light of day again.
Tuchel got less points than arteta from when he arrived last season. Fine he got a cl and they played so well, really impressive. But he hasn't proven anything in the league. I'd be shocked if they were near 90pts this season, which seems to be where you need to be to win the league in. This age
I don't think people realise how bad he is as a manager
Funny, we have had three managers before Ole who didn’t do that. Go figure.
Pep has a way of playing that's very particular so he'd probably want to make wholesale changes before he was happy with what he's got to work with.
Klopp/Tuchel I think would have a much better chance of winning the league with this squad.
Klopp/Tuchel I think would have a much better chance of winning the league with this squad.
Couldn't agree more with you. They would all get a DM.
Not a fan of Conte's style but yeah he would definitely challenge with this squad with an additional CM.
Tuchel would improve a lot on the team no doubt. Pep would easily walk the league, I find it funny people even question this.
I think Pep would really struggle with this United squad as he doesn't have the midfielders to play his system
he'd probably find it more difficult than his first season at City, when he at least had a couple of midfielders in the mould he likes